BugZappers: wiki page idea's

[TK009]

Since we seem to be talking a lot about the wiki and how to improve it. 
I thought I would get some input on my thoughts for changes to the main 
page.
here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tk009/bugzappers

Yes it does look a lot like QA's new front page, it just worked out that 
way and is not a copy.
1) Responsibilities
The description of what the bugzappers do is my own from other info in 
the wiki.
I wrote it in response to poelcat's request for idea's on wording 
changes to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy.
For continuity I thought this might work for the main page as well. The 
goal the on the PackageMaintainers/Policy page was to explain to package 
maintainers what the zappers do. Does this description work for new 
people as well? Does it explain what we do without being TMI?

2) Communicate
Can this be said better? Should more info like a like a link for "How TO 
IRC" be added?

3) Getting Involved
As already posted in an email by Christopher Beland, the idea joining 
the BugZappers/join  and BugZappers/getting started pages is a good one, 
and I support it.

I would like to hear your thoughts on these idea's and start discussion 
and thoughts on the "site map" idea poelcat proposed for revamping the 
wiki. Everyone agrees the wiki needs luvin, lets work together to get 
that done.

Edward (TK009)
Fedora Partisan Ranger

[iarly selbir]

IRC may be added in a topic

"using IRC" or "ways to track bugs" ( or like that heh ), what is
#fedorabot
channel? I think it very important...

something like...


Regards,

- -
iarly selbir ( ski0s )

:wq!


On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:32 AM, TK009 <john.brown009(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Since we seem to be talking a lot about the wiki and how to improve
> it. I
>  thought I would get some input on my thoughts for changes to the main page.
>  here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tk009/bugzappers
>
>  Yes it does look a lot like QA's new front page, it just worked out that
>  way and is not a copy.
>  1) Responsibilities
>  The description of what the bugzappers do is my own from other info in the
>  wiki.
>  I wrote it in response to poelcat's request for idea's on wording changes
>  to
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy.
>  For continuity I thought this might work for the main page as well. The
>  goal the on the PackageMaintainers/Policy page was to explain to package
>  maintainers what the zappers do. Does this description work for new people
>  as well? Does it explain what we do without being TMI?
>
>  2) Communicate
>  Can this be said better? Should more info like a like a link for "How TO
>  IRC" be added?
>
>  3) Getting Involved
>  As already posted in an email by Christopher Beland, the idea joining the
>  BugZappers/join  and BugZappers/getting started pages is a good one, and I
>  support it.
>
>  I would like to hear your thoughts on these idea's and start discussion and
>  thoughts on the "site map" idea poelcat proposed for revamping the wiki.
>  Everyone agrees the wiki needs luvin, lets work together to get that done.
>
>  Edward (TK009)
>  Fedora Partisan Ranger
>
>  --
>  fedora-test-list mailing list
>  fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com
>  To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
>

[TK009]

iarly selbir wrote:
>  IRC may be added in a topic
>
>  "using IRC" or "ways to track bugs" ( or like that heh ), what is 
>  #fedorabot channel? I think it very important...
>
>  something like...
>
>
>  Regards,
>
>  - -
>  iarly selbir ( ski0s )
>
>  :wq!
>
>
>  On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:32 AM, TK009 <john.brown009(a)gmail.com 
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      Since we seem to be talking a lot about the wiki and how to
>      improve it. I thought I would get some input on my thoughts for
>      changes to the main page.
>      here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tk009/bugzappers
>
>      Yes it does look a lot like QA's new front page, it just worked
>      out that way and is not a copy.
>      1) Responsibilities
>      The description of what the bugzappers do is my own from other
>      info in the wiki.
>      I wrote it in response to poelcat's request for idea's on wording
>      changes to
>      https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy.
>      For continuity I thought this might work for the main page as
>      well. The goal the on the PackageMaintainers/Policy page was to
>      explain to package maintainers what the zappers do. Does this
>      description work for new people as well? Does it explain what we
>      do without being TMI?
>
>      2) Communicate
>      Can this be said better? Should more info like a like a link for
>      "How TO IRC" be added?
>
>      3) Getting Involved
>      As already posted in an email by Christopher Beland, the idea
>      joining the BugZappers/join  and BugZappers/getting started pages
>      is a good one, and I support it.
>
>      I would like to hear your thoughts on these idea's and start
>      discussion and thoughts on the "site map" idea poelcat proposed
>      for revamping the wiki. Everyone agrees the wiki needs luvin, lets
>      work together to get that done.
>
>      Edward (TK009)
>      Fedora Partisan Ranger
>
>      -- 
>      fedora-test-list mailing list
>      fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      To unsubscribe:
>      https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
>
>  
I saw the link for "how to use IRC" on QA's page and thought it a
good 
idea as one of our newer members said he had to go look up use of IRC.

As to #fedorabot IRC channel, I am not sure that is helpful in the 
communication information, no one talks there that I know of and would 
be a less than ideal place to "communicate" with us. It should be on the 
wiki just maybe not the first page.  "ways to track bugs" is something 
for the getting started or deeper beyond that page is my thought.

Goals for revamping the wiki should  be something like  not overwhelm 
the new user with information overload yet still ensure information that 
needs to be there is there and is easy to find and structured in a way 
that makes sense. Not an easy task but one we should be able to accomplish.

thanks iarlyy for the feedback, I hope others will join in with their 
idea's as well.

TK009

[Adam Williamson]

On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 03:53 +0000, iarly selbir wrote:
>  IRC may be added in a topic
>  
>  "using IRC" or "ways to track bugs" ( or like that heh ), what is
>  #fedorabot channel? I think it very important...  
There's already a generic 'how to IRC' page (it's linked in most of the
pages in the QA wiki area which refer to IRC), please don't re-invent
content :). I would say you should usually link to that page when
mentioning IRC, because these days, many people don't know how to use
IRC (or even very clearly exactly what it is).
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net

[Jerry Amundson]

On 2/28/09, TK009 <john.brown009(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Since we seem to be talking a lot about the wiki and how to improve
> it.
>  I thought I would get some input on my thoughts for changes to the main
>  page.
>  here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tk009/bugzappers 
I like it. I think the "We Need You" statement sums it up well.
I also like the dropping of the Contributing Roles section - it was
misleading, and too "tall".

However, a large portion of the current BugZappers page is useful,
Finding Bugs, How to Triage, Useful links, etc. Yet., your page does
not include it.. That content should not just be orphaned.

Also. the section appearance needs to match, but different than the
intro (Who Are The BugZappers?), i.e. bold, horizontal line, not a
mixture....

jerry

[TK009]

Jerry Amundson wrote:
>  On 2/28/09, TK009 <john.brown009(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>    
> > Since we seem to be talking a lot about the wiki and how to improve it.
> > I thought I would get some input on my thoughts for changes to the main
> > page.
> > here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tk009/bugzappers
> >     
>
>  I like it. I think the "We Need You" statement sums it up well.
>  I also like the dropping of the Contributing Roles section - it was
>  misleading, and too "tall".
>
>  However, a large portion of the current BugZappers page is useful,
>  Finding Bugs, How to Triage, Useful links, etc. Yet., your page does
>  not include it.. That content should not just be orphaned.
>
>  Also. the section appearance needs to match, but different than the
>  intro (Who Are The BugZappers?), i.e. bold, horizontal line, not a
>  mixture....
>
>  jerry
>
>     
Agree with all of this =)

Those pages would not be orphaned they are important, just moved a page 
or so in, that information may have a better home on the getting started 
page as an idea.

As to the appearance, I was playing with the headings a little. I cant 
say I am happy with how that looks either. Please edit it if you have 
some idea's that is what it is there for =).

My thoughts are not to overwhelm the new visitor with information on the 
front page anyway. These are just some the things I was thinking about 
in regard to wiki changes. If my draft lacks information you feel should 
be on the main page please add it. 

Thanks for the feedback Jerry

TK009

[iarly selbir]

Should be clean with few time per day, he's helping..

Like:

Just with 15 minutes per day are you helping us.

for don't to be created a thought that he must be connected everytime,
tracking bugs, something like that...

can be in "We need you"

Regards,

- -
iarly selbir ( ski0s )

:wq!


On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:45 AM, TK009 <john.brown009(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Jerry Amundson wrote:
>
> > On 2/28/09, TK009 <john.brown009(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Since we seem to be talking a lot about the wiki and how to improve it.
> >> I thought I would get some input on my thoughts for changes to the main
> >> page.
> >> here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tk009/bugzappers
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I like it. I think the "We Need You" statement sums it up well.
> > I also like the dropping of the Contributing Roles section - it was
> > misleading, and too "tall".
> >
> > However, a large portion of the current BugZappers page is useful,
> > Finding Bugs, How to Triage, Useful links, etc. Yet., your page does
> > not include it.. That content should not just be orphaned.
> >
> > Also. the section appearance needs to match, but different than the
> > intro (Who Are The BugZappers?), i.e. bold, horizontal line, not a
> > mixture....
> >
> > jerry
> >
> >
> >
>  Agree with all of this =)
>
>  Those pages would not be orphaned they are important, just moved a page or
>  so in, that information may have a better home on the getting started page
>  as an idea.
>
>  As to the appearance, I was playing with the headings a little. I cant say
>  I am happy with how that looks either. Please edit it if you have some
>  idea's that is what it is there for =).
>
>  My thoughts are not to overwhelm the new visitor with information on the
>  front page anyway. These are just some the things I was thinking about in
>  regard to wiki changes. If my draft lacks information you feel should be on
>  the main page please add it.
>  Thanks for the feedback Jerry
>
>  TK009
>
>
>  --
>  fedora-test-list mailing list
>  fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com
>  To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
>

[Brennan Ashton]

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:32 PM, TK009 <john.brown009(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Since we seem to be talking a lot about the wiki and how to improve
> it. I
>  thought I would get some input on my thoughts for changes to the main page.
>  here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tk009/bugzappers
>
>  Yes it does look a lot like QA's new front page, it just worked out that way
>  and is not a copy.
>  1) Responsibilities
>  The description of what the bugzappers do is my own from other info in the
>  wiki.
>  I wrote it in response to poelcat's request for idea's on wording changes to
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy.
>  For continuity I thought this might work for the main page as well. The goal
>  the on the PackageMaintainers/Policy page was to explain to package
>  maintainers what the zappers do. Does this description work for new people
>  as well? Does it explain what we do without being TMI?
>
>  2) Communicate
>  Can this be said better? Should more info like a like a link for "How TO
>  IRC" be added?
>
>  3) Getting Involved
>  As already posted in an email by Christopher Beland, the idea joining the
>  BugZappers/join  and BugZappers/getting started pages is a good one, and I
>  support it.
>
>  I would like to hear your thoughts on these idea's and start discussion and
>  thoughts on the "site map" idea poelcat proposed for revamping the wiki.
>  Everyone agrees the wiki needs luvin, lets work together to get that done.
>
>  Edward (TK009)
>  Fedora Partisan Ranger 
This page I see as one of our core documents, and unfortunately it is
out of date.  I do not have time to draft and update right now, but I
would like to see someone who has experience with the process update
it.  The graphic is also needing to be updated.

--Brennan Ashton

[Brennan Ashton]

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Brennan Ashton
<bashton(a)brennanashton.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:32 PM, TK009
> <john.brown009(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > Since we seem to be talking a lot about the wiki and how to improve it. I
> > thought I would get some input on my thoughts for changes to the main page.
> > here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tk009/bugzappers
> >
> > Yes it does look a lot like QA's new front page, it just worked out that way
> > and is not a copy.
> > 1) Responsibilities
> > The description of what the bugzappers do is my own from other info in the
> > wiki.
> > I wrote it in response to poelcat's request for idea's on wording changes to
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy.
> > For continuity I thought this might work for the main page as well. The goal
> > the on the PackageMaintainers/Policy page was to explain to package
> > maintainers what the zappers do. Does this description work for new people
> > as well? Does it explain what we do without being TMI?
> >
> > 2) Communicate
> > Can this be said better? Should more info like a like a link for "How TO
> > IRC" be added?
> >
> > 3) Getting Involved
> > As already posted in an email by Christopher Beland, the idea joining the
> > BugZappers/join  and BugZappers/getting started pages is a good one, and I
> > support it.
> >
> > I would like to hear your thoughts on these idea's and start discussion and
> > thoughts on the "site map" idea poelcat proposed for revamping the wiki.
> > Everyone agrees the wiki needs luvin, lets work together to get that done.
> >
> > Edward (TK009)
> > Fedora Partisan Ranger
>
>  This page I see as one of our core documents, and unfortunately it is
>  out of date.  I do not have time to draft and update right now, but I
>  would like to see someone who has experience with the process update
>  it.  The graphic is also needing to be updated.
>
>  --Brennan Ashton
>  
Sorry dropped the link:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow