F9 RC1

[Alain PORTAL]

Hi,

As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225

I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download or not?

If no, how can I build a such DVD?

Regards,
Alain
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[Bruno Wolff III]

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 13:54:03 +0200,
  Alain PORTAL <aportal(a)univ-montp2.fr&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225
>  
>  I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download or not?
>  
>  If no, how can I build a such DVD? 
You could download the boot.iso from rawhide and then do a network install.

[Alain PORTAL]

Le vendredi 02 mai 2008, Bruno Wolff III a écrit :
>  On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 13:54:03 +0200,
>
>    Alain PORTAL <aportal(a)univ-montp2.fr&gt; wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
>  > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225
>  >
>  > I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download or
>  > not?
>  >
>  > If no, how can I build a such DVD?
>
>  You could download the boot.iso from rawhide and then do a network install. 
Yes, of course, thank for the solution.
But I really want to do an install from DVD to be sure the DVD install is with 
problem.
Thanks.

Regards,
Alain

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pungi - revisor ?

2008/5/2 Alain PORTAL <aportal(a)univ-montp2.fr&gt;:

>  Hi,
>
>  As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225
>
>  I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download or
>  not?
>
>  If no, how can I build a such DVD?
>
>  Regards,
>  Alain
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[Alain PORTAL]

Le vendredi 02 mai 2008, baptiste noclercq a écrit :
>  pungi - revisor ? 
What are they?

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[John Summerfield]

Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225
>  
>  I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download or not?
>  
>  If no, how can I build a such DVD? 
If you build one yourself, it's not very official is it?

As to whether there's a significant difference between DVD and network, 
so far as testing goes, try the Anaconda list. Folks there can also help 
diagnose problems and maybe fix them.

For a metwork install, an intermediate proxy is excellent: it can cache 
files and serve them up again on the next test. Using one, I was able to 
install a Fedora Core 2 beta through a modem, and limited to four-hour 
sessions.

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[Will Woods]

On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 06:51 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
>  Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  > 
>  > As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
>  > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225
>  > 
>  > I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download or not?
>  > 
>  > If no, how can I build a such DVD?
>  
>  If you build one yourself, it's not very official is it? 
If you use the same programs, the same config, and the same packages,
then what's the difference?

(Answer: a few hours of your time, a few more GB of disk space, and not
much else)

If you don't *need* to test with DVD media specifically, then
network-based installs will save you the need for those hours of time
and GB of disk space.

-w

[John Summerfield]

Will Woods wrote:
>  On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 06:51 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> > Alain PORTAL wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225
> >>
> >> I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download or not?
> >>
> >> If no, how can I build a such DVD?
> > If you build one yourself, it's not very official is it?
>  
>  If you use the same programs, the same config, and the same packages,
>  then what's the difference? 
According to your employer, it's not the same.

If I download the RHEL source from ftp.redhat.com and build it all, do I 
have RHEL?

When I'm supporting something, I have to take into account _all_ the 
user's actions, and if the user's built it himself then that introduces 
one more potential source of problems. RH _might_ accept bug reports 
arising from CentOS problems, but if it does it would be case-by-case 
and assume some trust of the CentOS build process.






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[Rahul Sundaram]

John Summerfield wrote:
>  Will Woods wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 06:51 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> >> Alain PORTAL wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
> >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225
> >>>
> >>> I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download 
> >>> or not?
> >>>
> >>> If no, how can I build a such DVD?
> >> If you build one yourself, it's not very official is it?
> >
> > If you use the same programs, the same config, and the same packages,
> > then what's the difference?
>  
>  According to your employer, it's not the same.
>  
>  If I download the RHEL source from ftp.redhat.com and build it all, do I 
>  have RHEL? 
Fedora and RHEL are two different distributions with different policies. 
Don't confuse between them. Read the trademark guidelines for instance.

Rahul

[John Summerfield]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  John Summerfield wrote: 
> > According to your employer, it's not the same.
> >
> > If I download the RHEL source from ftp.redhat.com and build it all, do 
> > I have RHEL?
>  
>  Fedora and RHEL are two different distributions with different policies. 
>  Don't confuse between them. Read the trademark guidelines for instance. 
I have, but it's not the trademark issues that reflect what I have. If I 
built it differently, perhaps with different compiler options, perhaps 
inadvertently differently, it's not the same.


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[Jesse Keating]

On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 17:57 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
>  
>  I have, but it's not the trademark issues that reflect what I have. If I 
>  built it differently, perhaps with different compiler options, perhaps 
>  inadvertently differently, it's not the same. 
Composing Fedora releases doesn't involve any compiling.  The only
places you have a chance at altering the output is the version of yum,
pungi, and anaconda-runtime you have installed and the mirrors you point
to.

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[John Summerfield]

Jesse Keating wrote:
>  On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 17:57 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> > I have, but it's not the trademark issues that reflect what I have. If I 
> > built it differently, perhaps with different compiler options, perhaps 
> > inadvertently differently, it's not the same.
>  
>  Composing Fedora releases doesn't involve any compiling.  The only 
I didn't say or imply composing. I said "building" and my example 
involved a good deal of compiling.

The earlier suggestion was composing from Rawhide, and there seems to be 
a certain randomness there, with results not being reproducible.

>  places you have a chance at altering the output is the version of
> yum,
>  pungi, and anaconda-runtime you have installed and the mirrors you point
>  to.
>   

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[drago01]

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 10:51 PM, John Summerfield
<debian(a)herakles.homelinux.org&gt; wrote:
>  Jesse Keating wrote:
>
>  > On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 17:57 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
>  >
>  > > I have, but it's not the trademark issues that reflect what I have. If I
>  built it differently, perhaps with different compiler options, perhaps
>  inadvertently differently, it's not the same.
>  > >
>  >
>  > Composing Fedora releases doesn't involve any compiling.  The only
>  >
>
>   I didn't say or imply composing. I said "building" and my example
> involved
>  a good deal of compiling.
>
>   The earlier suggestion was composing from Rawhide, and there seems to be a
>  certain randomness there, with results not being reproducible. 
who cares?
just fill a bug and say "used rawhide tree as of xyz; self composed dvd"

[Jon Stanley]

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM, John Summerfield
<debian(a)herakles.homelinux.org&gt; wrote:
>  Jesse Keating wrote:
>
>  > On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 17:57 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
>  >
>  > > I have, but it's not the trademark issues that reflect what I have. If I
>  built it differently, perhaps with different compiler options, perhaps
>  inadvertently differently, it's not the same.
>  > >
>  >
>  > Composing Fedora releases doesn't involve any compiling.  The only
>  >
>
>   I didn't say or imply composing. I said "building" and my example
> involved
>  a good deal of compiling. 
Why would you compile anything?  The DVD installation set is nothing
more than a pungi compose using a certain kickstart file.  No magic
there.
>   The earlier suggestion was composing from Rawhide, and there seems to be a
>  certain randomness there, with results not being reproducible. 
They are reproducible for that day.  All that Alpha, Beta, and PR
really are is composes from rawhide on a given day.  Same with the
"non-public" RC releases - the exact reason that they're not public is
they'd be obsolete the next day.   I tend to make DVD sets fairly
often (just ask Jesse and the number of pungi/anaconda/yum bugs I hit
:) ).

[Rahul Sundaram]

John Summerfield wrote:
>  Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > John Summerfield wrote:
>  
> >> According to your employer, it's not the same.
> >>
> >> If I download the RHEL source from ftp.redhat.com and build it all, 
> >> do I have RHEL?
> >
> > Fedora and RHEL are two different distributions with different 
> > policies. Don't confuse between them. Read the trademark guidelines 
> > for instance.
>  
>  I have, but it's not the trademark issues that reflect what I have. If I 
>  built it differently, perhaps with different compiler options, perhaps 
>  inadvertently differently, it's not the same. 
If you use the same tool Fedora does which is pungi and available in the 
repository, you would easily be able to do exactly what the project does 
without any issues. You have to go out of your way to break that.

Rahul

[Alain PORTAL]

Le samedi 03 mai 2008, Will Woods a écrit :
>  On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 06:51 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
>  > Alain PORTAL wrote:
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
>  > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225
>  > >
>  > > I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download or
>  > > not?
>  > >
>  > > If no, how can I build a such DVD?
>  >
>  > If you build one yourself, it's not very official is it?
>
>  If you use the same programs, the same config, and the same packages,
>  then what's the difference?
>
>  (Answer: a few hours of your time, a few more GB of disk space, and not
>  much else)
>
>  If you don't *need* to test with DVD media specifically, then
>  network-based installs will save you the need for those hours of time
>  and GB of disk space. 
I *need* to test with DVD media specifically cause as I said in my fisrt 
message, DVD installation failed.

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[Jon Stanley]

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Alain PORTAL <alain.portal(a)free.fr&gt; wrote:

>   I *need* to test with DVD media specifically cause as I said in my
> fisrt
>   message, DVD installation failed. 
I'll write a tutorial on how to use pungi in mock on my blog today.
It's an area where documentation is slightly lacking, I know.  I was
trying to explain it on IRC the other day, and wound up saying "it's
easier than it sounds, really".  So I'll do a step-by-step (I promise
you, no kittens are harmed during the process) and post it.

[Jon Stanley]

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>   I'll write a tutorial on how to use pungi in mock on my blog
> today.
>   It's an area where documentation is slightly lacking, I know.  I was
>   trying to explain it on IRC the other day, and wound up saying "it's
>   easier than it sounds, really".  So I'll do a step-by-step (I promise
>   you, no kittens are harmed during the process) and post it. 
As promised:

http://jons-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/pungi-and-mock-for-fun-and-prof...

[Alain PORTAL]

Le Sunday 04 May 2008 03:34:24 Jon Stanley, vous avez écrit :
>  On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Jon Stanley
> <jonstanley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >  I'll write a tutorial on how to use pungi in mock on my blog today.
>  >  It's an area where documentation is slightly lacking, I know.  I was
>  >  trying to explain it on IRC the other day, and wound up saying "it's
>  >  easier than it sounds, really".  So I'll do a step-by-step (I promise
>  >  you, no kittens are harmed during the process) and post it.
>
>  As promised:
>
>  http://jons-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/pungi-and-mock-for-fun-and-profit
> .html 
Thank for this tutorial!
I successfully built a DVD iso this night.
I just get a problem with my local repository that I couldn't set, so, mock 
download again all packages :-(

I'll try this iso tonight.

Regards,
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[Leslie S Satenstein]

Hello Alain

Could you explain why you were unable?  Did you test the DVD to verify that it was a good
download version?  

Waiting to hear what progress was made.

Leslie 

Alain PORTAL <aportal(a)univ-montp2.fr&gt; wrote: Hi,

As I couldn't successfully install F9 Preview from DVD
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225

I should want to know if a F9 RC1 DVD will be available for download or not?

If no, how can I build a such DVD?

Regards,
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[Alain PORTAL]

Le samedi 03 mai 2008, Leslie Satenstein a écrit :
>  Hello Alain
>
>  Could you explain why you were unable? 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443225

>  Did you test the DVD to verify that 
>  it was a good download version? 
DVD was test successfully.

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