Hi, folks. Before I file a bug on this I was wondering if anyone else had seen it and hoping to get a better idea of exactly what's happening.
Lately, on this machine - a laptop running F14 - it seems that every so often, gnome-settings-daemon, firefox and one other process (I forget which, something else that's part of GNOME I think) suddenly go crazy, pegging out the CPU (which is dual-core) entirely and also showing huge virtual size (virt column in top) - in the 60-70GB range. One thing that sometimes triggers this is, sometimes, trying to play some music in audacious; usually it works, but sometimes it returns 'input/output error', PulseAudio crashes, and this bug happens immediately. But sometimes the same problem with gnome-settings-daemon and firefox happens without being triggered by loading music.
Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas what's going on?
I installed audacious and flipped through about a dozen internet radio stations and I couldn't replicate the problem you describe. I generally listen to radio over Pandora (using the flash player) and I haven't had any issues with pulse freaking out. I certainly haven't see this issue just randomly on my system either.
-- John Watzke
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 11:00 -0600, John Watzke wrote:
I installed audacious and flipped through about a dozen internet radio stations and I couldn't replicate the problem you describe. I generally listen to radio over Pandora (using the flash player) and I haven't had any issues with pulse freaking out. I certainly haven't see this issue just randomly on my system either.
It's not at all reliable, I can often listen to music all day and then suddenly it'll trigger when I load up a new album. (I use files on a disk, not radio stations). I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to replicate it on demand, as I experience it, but I wondered if anyone else had noticed it happening the course of normal usage...
thanks for checking!
On 01/17/2011 10:52 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, folks. Before I file a bug on this I was wondering if anyone else had seen it and hoping to get a better idea of exactly what's happening.
Lately, on this machine - a laptop running F14 - it seems that every so often, gnome-settings-daemon, firefox and one other process (I forget which, something else that's part of GNOME I think) suddenly go crazy, pegging out the CPU (which is dual-core) entirely and also showing huge virtual size (virt column in top) - in the 60-70GB range. One thing that sometimes triggers this is, sometimes, trying to play some music in audacious; usually it works, but sometimes it returns 'input/output error', PulseAudio crashes, and this bug happens immediately. But sometimes the same problem with gnome-settings-daemon and firefox happens without being triggered by loading music.
Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas what's going on?
No idea, but I often see similar: F14 x86_64 laptop (2GB ram), firefox w/Flash Square. Just when I really need to use the computer, the load average goes through the roof (> 8). The machine starts swapping, firefox's memory usage grows large (multi-GB), and the machine becomes *very* unresponsive until whatever it was trying to do finally finishes. Sometime I can fix it by logging out and logging in again, other times I have to reboot. Right now my load average is around 3.3. That seems a bit high for a system not doing very much other than writing an email (thunderbird) with about 30 different tabs open in firefox not doing anything, and 4 gnome-terminals open waiting at command prompts.
I too suspect that firefox and audio is at the heart of the problem, but I can't prove it.
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 15:26 -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
No idea, but I often see similar: F14 x86_64 laptop (2GB ram), firefox
does gnome-settings-daemon peg out the CPU too in your case?
On 01/17/2011 03:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 15:26 -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
No idea, but I often see similar: F14 x86_64 laptop (2GB ram), firefox
does gnome-settings-daemon peg out the CPU too in your case?
I don't think so. My CPU remains surprisingly low, but the disk light comes on and the load average shoots up for me. I'll look for the setting daemon the next time it shoots up on me....
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 15:45 -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
On 01/17/2011 03:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 15:26 -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
No idea, but I often see similar: F14 x86_64 laptop (2GB ram), firefox
does gnome-settings-daemon peg out the CPU too in your case?
I don't think so. My CPU remains surprisingly low, but the disk light comes on and the load average shoots up for me. I'll look for the setting daemon the next time it shoots up on me....
different bug to mine, if your CPU usage doesn't register as high.
--- "Kevin J. Cummings" cummings@kjchome.homeip.net wrote:
On 01/17/2011 10:52 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, folks. Before I file a bug on this I was
wondering if anyone else
had seen it and hoping to get a better idea of
exactly what's happening.
Lately, on this machine - a laptop running F14 -
it seems that every so
often, gnome-settings-daemon, firefox and one
other process (I forget
which, something else that's part of GNOME I
think) suddenly go crazy,
pegging out the CPU (which is dual-core) entirely
and also showing huge
virtual size (virt column in top) - in the 60-70GB
range. One thing that
sometimes triggers this is, sometimes, trying to
play some music in
audacious; usually it works, but sometimes it
returns 'input/output
error', PulseAudio crashes, and this bug happens
immediately. But
sometimes the same problem with
gnome-settings-daemon and firefox
happens without being triggered by loading music.
Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas what's going
on?
No idea, but I often see similar: F14 x86_64 laptop (2GB ram), firefox w/Flash Square. Just when I really need to use the computer, the load average goes through the roof (> 8). The machine starts swapping, firefox's memory usage grows large (multi-GB), and the machine becomes *very* unresponsive until whatever it was trying to do finally finishes. Sometime I can fix it by logging out and logging in again, other times I have to reboot. Right now my load average is around 3.3. That seems a bit high for a system not doing very much other than writing an email (thunderbird) with about 30 different tabs open in firefox not doing anything, and 4 gnome-terminals open waiting at command prompts.
I too suspect that firefox and audio is at the heart of the problem, but I can't prove it.
The only times things like this happens to me is when Flash misbehaves. Jump to tty2 and run htop or top (whatever you like -- htop just makes this more obvious) and see which process is freaking out and kill it.
And while we're talking about flash (and not to start a flame war, just to present some humor)... This awesome quote was posted the other day on a security mailing list in a thread about all the holes that have emerged in Flash lately:
"Personally, I kind of like Flash. It gives me a single kill switch for 90% of the useless blinking crap and popups on the internet. Flash is a really appropriate name for exactly what I don't want to see on a web page. I hope it remains the platform of choice for those who develop such things." - Marsh Ray
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On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 07:16 +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
The only times things like this happens to me is when Flash misbehaves. Jump to tty2 and run htop or top (whatever you like -- htop just makes this more obvious) and see which process is freaking out and kill it.
Not that simple. It's multiple processes, it's always the same ones, and killing them doesn't solve the problem (gnome-settings-daemon is vital to a GNOME session and it auto-respawns when killed; the respawned g-s-d continues to show the bad behaviour.)
This isn't a Flash issue, I don't have Flash running when it happens.
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 15:52 +0000, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, folks. Before I file a bug on this I was wondering if anyone else had seen it and hoping to get a better idea of exactly what's happening.
No offence, but am I the only one who's noticed a recent usurge in OT messages on this list? People, this is the list for *testers of Fedora development releases* (it's right there in the headers!). Questions about currently supported versions of Fedora (13 and 14 at the moment), should go to the Users list. Among other things, it'll get you a wider audience.
poc
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 16:54 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 15:52 +0000, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, folks. Before I file a bug on this I was wondering if anyone else had seen it and hoping to get a better idea of exactly what's happening.
No offence, but am I the only one who's noticed a recent usurge in OT messages on this list? People, this is the list for *testers of Fedora development releases* (it's right there in the headers!). Questions about currently supported versions of Fedora (13 and 14 at the moment), should go to the Users list. Among other things, it'll get you a wider audience.
well, we also handle bugs in F14 updates, including test updates, and I'm using updates-testing. but now I see I didn't mention that in the mail. Sorry.
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
Hi, folks. Before I file a bug on this I was wondering if anyone else had seen it and hoping to get a better idea of exactly what's happening.
Lately, on this machine - a laptop running F14 - it seems that every so often, gnome-settings-daemon, firefox and one other process (I forget which, something else that's part of GNOME I think) suddenly go crazy, pegging out the CPU (which is dual-core) entirely and also showing huge virtual size (virt column in top) - in the 60-70GB range. One thing that sometimes triggers this is, sometimes, trying to play some music in audacious; usually it works, but sometimes it returns 'input/output error', PulseAudio crashes, and this bug happens immediately. But sometimes the same problem with gnome-settings-daemon and firefox happens without being triggered by loading music.
Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas what's going on?
I've seen this issue earlier in the Fedora release cycle. I saw is with g-s-d plus a bunch of random apps including (from mem) firefox, evolution, pidgin etc. This is a dual core i5 with hyperthreading (OS sees 4 cpus). It seemed that it was mostly due to constraints on RAM and I think it was made worse by the fact that I run a LUKS encrypted disk as it made matters worse when things had to swap. The problem improved greatly when I went from 2 to 3 gig of ram and I rarely see it now I have 4 (not that its an excuse), I don't think the problems fixed.
Oeter
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