Re: /usr has vanished

[gslink]

There is no Bugzilla entry for what I reported.  I do not normally 
report most problems to Bugzilla until the release gets more stable. 
Usually by the time that the entry is acted on the test release is 
obsolete and the entry just becomes clutter.  If this problem remains in 
the system then I will report it.  About 80% of our problem list 
vanished from FC2 to FC3 and what will happen with FC3 I do not know.  I 
suspect the bugs will be replaced.  Many of these problems are like 
reporting checksum errors on iso files.  It doesn't help the file with 
the error because it is obsolete.  It just helps insure that the next 
release doesn't have an error.

/usr has vanished

[Michal Jaegermann]

On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:04:15AM -0500, gslink wrote:
>  There is no Bugzilla entry for what I reported.  I do not normally 
>  report most problems to Bugzilla until the release gets more stable.  
....
>  About 80% of our problem list vanished from FC2 to FC3 
Quite likely because somebody else did bother and filed a report.

Yes, a search for already present bug reports could be easier and
smarter (on occasions I had troubles finding things which I knew
were there) but testing without reporting findings does not sound
very productive.

BTW - the problem with a vanishing "/usr" should be fixed
in freshly available initscripts-8.00-1.  See
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=139656
if you want to know more.

   Michal

/usr has vanished

[gslink]

You forget something.  ALL bug reports MUST be properly documented.  You 
can't just report that it doesn't work.  The cost of a usefull bug 
report is anywhere from $500 to $15000 for a bug such as this because it 
is necessary to spend the time to find out what is really wrong.  Some 
of these bugs cost so much we can't afford to report them.  That was the 
case here.  It is simply not obvious what code is actually causing this 
problem.  We have several of these problems but all are going to need 
lots of digging even to get a case that fails every time and a bug that 
can't be reproduced is not the proper subject of a bug report.

/usr has vanished

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:10:20PM -0500, gslink wrote:
>  You forget something.  ALL bug reports MUST be properly documented. 
> You 
>  can't just report that it doesn't work.  The cost of a usefull bug 
>  report is anywhere from $500 to $15000 for a bug such as this because it 
>  is necessary to spend the time to find out what is really wrong.  Some 
>  of these bugs cost so much we can't afford to report them.  That was the 
>  case here.  It is simply not obvious what code is actually causing this 
>  problem.  We have several of these problems but all are going to need 
>  lots of digging even to get a case that fails every time and a bug that 
>  can't be reproduced is not the proper subject of a bug report. 
That's not necessarily the case for an open-source project. Many other
people may be experiencing similar problems, and by reporting it, you give a
starting point for bringing those people together to all contribute their
experiences -- maybe dividing that $15,000 of work over 1500 users, which
doesn't seem so bad.

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