Heads up: replaced VNC with RDP in Basic release criteria

[Adam Williamson]

Hi folks! I've gone ahead and updated the Basic release criteria to
specify that installing via 'RDP' must work, instead of 'VNC':

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Basic_Release_Criteria&diff=...

this is because anaconda switched from VNC to RDP as part of
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_As_Native_Wayland_Applicatio...
.

Since it seems like such a straightforward swap I figured I'd just do
it and ask for forgiveness, rather than drafting it and asking for
permission. If anyone sees any issues with this, please do yell. :D

I already updated the test case and matrix for this earlier in the
cycle, but forgot about the criteria.

[Sérgio Basto]

On Thu, 2025-03-27 at 12:40 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hi folks! I've gone ahead and updated the Basic release criteria to
> specify that installing via 'RDP' must work, instead of 'VNC':
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Basic_Release_Criteria&diff=...
>
> this is because anaconda switched from VNC to RDP as part of
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_As_Native_Wayland_Applicatio...
> .
>
> Since it seems like such a straightforward swap I figured I'd just do
> it and ask for forgiveness, rather than drafting it and asking for
> permission. If anyone sees any issues with this, please do yell. :D

I just checked, VNC and all of X11 has been removed from Anaconda, I
don't understand why they don't add Wayland support alongside and leave
X11 alone, very disappointing
.
Anyway I think when they wrote in
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/rhel-10-plans-wayland-and-xorg-server

and raised the points it was a good summary, of what you need to be
ready and stable to (me ?) move to Wayland

- Developing infrastructure to support modern remote desktop solutions
- Review and development for explicit sync support in the Wayland
protocol and relevant projects
- Created Libei to provide a solution for input emulation and capture
- Co-led the Wakefield initiative to make OpenJDK work with (X)Wayland

the first one ( modern remote desktop ) , what was done here until
today ?
> I already updated the test case and matrix for this earlier in the
> cycle, but forgot about the criteria.
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[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2025-04-16 at 00:25 +0100, Sérgio Basto via test wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-03-27 at 12:40 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Hi folks! I've gone ahead and updated the Basic release criteria to
> > specify that installing via 'RDP' must work, instead of 'VNC':
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Basic_Release_Criteria&diff=...
> >
> > this is because anaconda switched from VNC to RDP as part of
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_As_Native_Wayland_Applicatio...
> > .
> >
> > Since it seems like such a straightforward swap I figured I'd just do
> > it and ask for forgiveness, rather than drafting it and asking for
> > permission. If anyone sees any issues with this, please do yell. :D
>
> I just checked, VNC and all of X11 has been removed from Anaconda, I
> don't understand why they don't add Wayland support alongside and leave
> X11 alone, very disappointing
> .
> Anyway I think when they wrote in
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/rhel-10-plans-wayland-and-xorg-server
>
> and raised the points it was a good summary, of what you need to be
> ready and stable to (me ?) move to Wayland
> Developing infrastructure to support modern remote desktop solutions
> Review and development for explicit sync support in the Wayland
>
> protocol and relevant projects
> Created Libei to provide a solution for input emulation and capture
> Co-led the Wakefield initiative to make OpenJDK work with (X)Wayland
>
> the first one ( modern remote desktop ) , what was done here until
> today ?

It's not really on topic here. We test what gets built. Debating what
gets built is over on devel@ . The Change for this was
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_As_Native_Wayland_Applicatio...
, which has all the explanation and planning in it. For the installer,
RDP seems like a perfectly good functional replacement for VNC, to me.
It doesn't have the reverse-connection feature, but I think that was
fairly rarely used.

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

> > > > > Adam Williamson  writes:
> For the installer, RDP seems like a perfectly good functional
> replacement for VNC, to me.  It doesn't have the reverse-connection
> feature, but I think that was fairly rarely used.

Yeah, only every installation I ever do which probably numbers in tens
of thousands at this point.  Oh, well.  You win some (maybe an
occasional one here and there) and you lose some.

[Neal Gompa]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 7:26 PM Sérgio Basto via test
 wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-03-27 at 12:40 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Hi folks! I've gone ahead and updated the Basic release criteria to
> > specify that installing via 'RDP' must work, instead of 'VNC':
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Basic_Release_Criteria&diff=...
> >
> > this is because anaconda switched from VNC to RDP as part of
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_As_Native_Wayland_Applicatio...
> > .
> >
> > Since it seems like such a straightforward swap I figured I'd just do
> > it and ask for forgiveness, rather than drafting it and asking for
> > permission. If anyone sees any issues with this, please do yell. :D
>
> I just checked, VNC and all of X11 has been removed from Anaconda, I
> don't understand why they don't add Wayland support alongside and leave
> X11 alone, very disappointing
> .
> Anyway I think when they wrote in
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/rhel-10-plans-wayland-and-xorg-server
>
> and raised the points it was a good summary, of what you need to be
> ready and stable to (me ?) move to Wayland
> Developing infrastructure to support modern remote desktop solutions
> Review and development for explicit sync support in the Wayland
>
> protocol and relevant projects
> Created Libei to provide a solution for input emulation and capture
> Co-led the Wakefield initiative to make OpenJDK work with (X)Wayland
>
> the first one ( modern remote desktop ) , what was done here until
> today ?

There have been both VNC and RDP server implementations for Wayland
environments for quite some time. Weston has it built into the
compositor, KDE Plasma has KRFB and KRDP for VNC and RDP respectively,
and GNOME has GNOME Remote Desktop with both VNC and RDP support.

For beyond Weston; KDE Plasma; and GNOME, there is WayVNC for a VNC
server that is compatible with wlroots and Mir based compositors.

(As an aside, there's also IPKVM support with Deskflow for GNOME and
KDE, and Waynergy for wlroots and Mir compositors.)

This was one of the earliest things handled in Wayland by the wlroots
community, and it took time for GNOME and KDE to catch up here.

Explicit sync support was added fairly recently to the NVIDIA driver
and is hooked up in GNOME and KDE Plasma as of Fedora Linux 41. The
wlroots library is adding it with the upcoming 0.19.0 release, and Mir
is working on it (https://github.com/canonical/mir/pull/3717).

The rest of it is less compositor centric and more app stuff. :)

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