2:27 p.m.
What are these FC 10 Snap 1, 2 releases, ISO's ??
I have FC 10 Beta installed and a lot of problems.
3:01 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:27:52PM -0400, Jim wrote:
What are these FC 10 Snap 1, 2 releases, ISO's ??
I have FC 10 Beta installed and a lot of problems.
Most are related to getting the XO hardware working with F10
(explore http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki)
If you watch livecd-tools in actions when making a bootable USB key
you will see that it does a yum update in addition to pulling in base (configurable).
The result is F10beta+UpdatesFromRawhide i.e. a snapshot.
Since the XO hardware is so limited these mini snaps permit testing
of F10. Each snap meshes with a point that the XO test folk find
functional on XO hardware enough to bother with. This is quite a challenge given
the limits of the hardware (memory and disk are limited, no CDROM).
The configurable part is that livecd-tools are driven by a kickstart configuration
file. At this time the .ks file is close or equal to the F10 live CD setup.
Of interest since a CD is about 4GB the group has shifted to a 4GB SD flash card.
As you are finding, Beta can be bumpy at times. The LiveCD and LiveSDflash bootable
media
can provide a way to test F10-latest-stuff and still keep the base system
intact.
For the bystanders the LiveCD or LiveUSB environment sets the stage for
recovery, flexibility and options for those of us that have only one system.
There is an old true ism that if you work on cars you have to have a
second to go and get parts. The LiveCD/LiveUSB has the potential of
being more than a scooter in the boot.
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9:58 p.m.
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:01 -0700, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:27:52PM -0400, Jim wrote:
> What are these FC 10 Snap 1, 2 releases, ISO's ??
> I have FC 10 Beta installed and a lot of problems.
Most are related to getting the XO hardware working with F10
(explore http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki)
Actually, the Snaps are a more general part of the release process now
so that we can get more testing of media-based things beyond just alpha
+ beta + preview release.
There's just a nice side effect that they're handy and work out well for
some of the testing on the XO :)
Jeremy
3:47 p.m.
Jeremy Katz wrote:
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:01 -0700, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:27:52PM -0400, Jim wrote:
>
> > What are these FC 10 Snap 1, 2 releases, ISO's ??
> > I have FC 10 Beta installed and a lot of problems.
> >
>
> Most are related to getting the XO hardware working with F10
> (explore http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki [1])
>
Actually, the Snaps are a more general part of the release process now
so that we can get more testing of media-based things beyond just alpha
+ beta + preview release.
There's just a nice side effect that they're handy and work out well for
some of the testing on the XO :)
Jeremy
7:06 p.m.
rjames wrote:
> Jeremy Katz wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:01 -0700, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:27:52PM -0400, Jim wrote:
>>
>>> What are these FC 10 Snap 1, 2 releases, ISO's ??
>>> I have FC 10 Beta installed and a lot of problems.
>>>
>> Most are related to getting the XO hardware working with F10
>> (explore http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki [1])
>>
> Actually, the Snaps are a more general part of the release process now
> so that we can get more testing of media-based things beyond just alpha
> + beta + preview release.
>
> There's just a nice side effect that they're handy and work out well for
> some of the testing on the XO :)
>
> Jeremy
>
If you guys are going to be using these in the future for live cd's, you need to make
sure you aren't overburning these things because a hell of a lot of cd/dvd burners
*DON'T* support this, and the snap 3 386 live cd iso are overburned [703 megs instead
of the standard 650/702 megs].
None of my Liteon dvd burners support overburning and I don't think the older sony
cdwr drive I have in a older computer supports it either.
If you are going to be overburning these things, at least say so, so people won't
waste their time downloading something that's going to be unusable on their machines.
It's easy to look at the size of the image and the capacity of the CD and
decide
if it will fit. I have 720 and 730 CDs from an obscure source called Office Max.
You can often get them from newegg as well, I never ordered anything special,
they just came that way.
You may have to use the overburn option to cdrecord, I don't ever recall doing
that, but it's there. I use the cdrecord from the author rather than the hack
one which comes with Fedora and some other distributions, that might be a factor.
In short, I burn these on a variety of burners, CD and DVD, and have no problem
with the size. You might have some small media, in which case a quick investment
would be in order, but larger sizes are available.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
2:50 a.m.
Bill Davidsen wrote:
rjames wrote:
>
> > Jeremy Katz wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:01 -0700, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 03:27:52PM -0400, Jim wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > What are these FC 10 Snap 1, 2 releases, ISO's ??
> > > > I have FC 10 Beta installed and a lot of problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Most are related to getting the XO hardware working with F10
> > > (explore http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki [1] [1])
> > >
> > >
> > Actually, the Snaps are a more general part of the release process now
> > so that we can get more testing of media-based things beyond just alpha
> > + beta + preview release.
> >
> > There's just a nice side effect that they're handy and work out well
for
> > some of the testing on the XO :)
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> If you guys are going to be using these in the future for live cd's, you need to
make sure you aren't overburning these things because a hell of a lot of cd/dvd
burners *DON'T* support this, and the snap 3 386 live cd iso are overburned [703 megs
instead of the standard 650/702 megs].
>
> None of my Liteon dvd burners support overburning and I don't think the older
sony cdwr drive I have in a older computer supports it either.
>
> If you are going to be overburning these things, at least say so, so people
won't waste their time downloading something that's going to be unusable on their
machines.
>
>
It's easy to look at the size of the image and the capacity of the CD and decide
if it will fit. I have 720 and 730 CDs from an obscure source called Office Max.
You can often get them from newegg as well, I never ordered anything special,
they just came that way.
You may have to use the overburn option to cdrecord, I don't ever recall doing
that, but it's there. I use the cdrecord from the author rather than the hack
one which comes with Fedora and some other distributions, that might be a factor.
In short, I burn these on a variety of burners, CD and DVD, and have no problem
with the size. You might have some small media, in which case a quick investment
would be in order, but larger sizes are available.
>
>
You just don't get it, do you?
The *MEDIA* has *NOTHING* to do the problem.
The *PROBLEM* with *OVERBURNING* an ISO CD's that's *NOT FOR YOUR PERSONAL USE*
is that a lot of the *DRIVE HARDWARE* for CDRW/DVDRW BURNERS DO NOT SUPPORT OVERBURNING AT
ALL.
THE HARDWARE SUPPORT FOR IT DOES NOT EXIST IN THE DRIVE AT ALL ANYMORE. I KNOW BOTH OF MY
LITEON CD/DVD BURNERS DON'T SUPPORT IT. I'M TAKING ABOUT DVD BURNERS THAT CAN READ
AND WRITE DVD-RAM HERE.
OVERBURNING OUSTSIDE OF A FEW ODDBALL DRIVES WAS NEVER VERY COMMON FOR A NUMBER OF
REASONS, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH THE LIMITS OF THE 650 MEG CD'S, WHICH WERE PRETTY MUCH
THE ONLY CD MEDIA THERE WAS A NEED TO USE OVERBURNING TO BEGIN WITH.
WHEN THE 702 MEG CD'S BECAME THE STANDARD, OVERBURNING FADED AWAY FROM THE DRIVE
MECHS FOR A GOOD REASON. THE DISKS CREATED USING IT WERE UNSTABLE. ODDS WERE GOOD THAT THE
PRETTY MUCH ONLY DRIVE THAT COULD READ AN OVERBURNED CD WAS THE ONE THAT CREATED IT.
SO USING AN OVERBURNED CD FOR AN ISO DISTRBUTION BASE IS A VERY,VERY BAD IDEA TO BEGIN
WITH,SINCE IT'S GOING TO DO NOTHING BUT CREATE UNNECESSARY PROBLEMS IN THE END.
Links:
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[1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/The_OLPC_Wiki
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11:54 a.m.
On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 21:47 +0100, rjames wrote:
If you are going to be overburning these things, at least say so, so
people won't waste their time downloading something that's going to be
unusable on their machines.
The announcement email for Snapshot 3 warned that the i686 Live image
was a little over size.
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11:27 p.m.
On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 15:47, rjames wrote:
If you guys are going to be using these in the future for live
cd's, you need to make sure you aren't overburning these things because a hell of
a lot of cd/dvd burners *DON'T* support this, and the snap 3 386 live cd iso are
overburned [703 megs instead of the standard 650/702 megs].
None of my Liteon dvd burners support overburning and I don't think the older sony
cdwr drive I have in a older computer supports it either.
If you are going to be overburning these things, at least say so, so people won't
waste their time downloading something that's going to be unusable on their machines.
Or just keep a couple of DVD-RW around for burning one off test installs
onto and stop piling up so many discs that aren't good for much a month
later. Better still, if you have a super-multi drives on your test
machines is to use DVD-RAM.
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8:49 a.m.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:27:09PM -0500, John Morris wrote:
On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 15:47, rjames wrote:
> If you guys are going to be using these in the future for live cd's, you need to
make sure you aren't overburning these things because a hell of a lot of cd/dvd
burners *DON'T* support this, and the snap 3 386 live cd iso are overburned [703 megs
instead of the standard 650/702 megs].
>
> None of my Liteon dvd burners support overburning and I don't think the older
sony cdwr drive I have in a older computer supports it either.
>
> If you are going to be overburning these things, at least say so, so people
won't waste their time downloading something that's going to be unusable on their
machines.
Or just keep a couple of DVD-RW around for burning one off test installs
onto and stop piling up so many discs that aren't good for much a month
later. Better still, if you have a super-multi drives on your test
machines is to use DVD-RAM.
I stuck all 6 LiveCD's onto a single DVD to save media and still enjoy
testing all 6 spins at once (i686 & x86_64 Desktop, KDE, XFCE).
3:02 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 15:27:52 -0400,
Jim <mickeyboa(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
What are these FC 10 Snap 1, 2 releases, ISO's ??
I have FC 10 Beta installed and a lot of problems.
They are post beta rawhide snapshots for testing media installs and upgrades.
If you just want to get rawhide updates and not test new installs, you can
use yum. Even if you are testing media installs you might want to get
the daily boot.iso image and do a network install.
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