VTs on F22 unusable!

[Neal Becker]

Just tried Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-22-TC1.iso
on lenovo X1 Carbon.

I booted OK off liveusb, but then tried to switch to VT (Alt-Ctl-F2).
There was a login prompt there somewhere, but the screen just went nuts 
flashing and was completely unusable.

Alt-Ctrl-F1 got me back to graphic screen OK.  There was some message popped 
up about 'some problem', but it went away and I didn't know what to do with 
it (I don't use gnome - wish I could find a kde liveusb test).

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[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 08:34:40AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
>  Just tried Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-22-TC1.iso
>  on lenovo X1 Carbon. 
Which version of the X1 Carbon?

>  I booted OK off liveusb, but then tried to switch to VT
> (Alt-Ctl-F2).
>  There was a login prompt there somewhere, but the screen just went nuts 
>  flashing and was completely unusable. 
Do you find anything in the logs?

>  
>  Alt-Ctrl-F1 got me back to graphic screen OK.  There was some message popped 
>  up about 'some problem', but it went away and I didn't know what to do with 
>  it (I don't use gnome - wish I could find a kde liveusb test). 
Take a look in
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC1/Live/x86_64/

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Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Ronal B Morse]

On Thu, 2015-04-30 at 09:08 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 08:34:40AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
>  > Just tried Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-22-TC1.iso
>  > on lenovo X1 Carbon.
>  
>  Which version of the X1 Carbon?
>  
>  > I booted OK off liveusb, but then tried to switch to VT (Alt-Ctl
>  > -F2).
>  > There was a login prompt there somewhere, but the screen just went 
>  > nuts 
>  > flashing and was completely unusable.
>  
>  Do you find anything in the logs?
>  
>  > 
>  > Alt-Ctrl-F1 got me back to graphic screen OK.  There was some 
>  > message popped 
>  > up about 'some problem', but it went away and I didn't know what 
>  > to do with 
>  > it (I don't use gnome - wish I could find a kde liveusb test).
>  
>  Take a look in
>  https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC1/Live/x86_64/
>   
F22 Beta on my machine (I run G3):

Alt-Ctrl-F3  =  fully functional text mode console
Alt-Ctrl-F2  =  Restore previous X session
Alt-Ctrl-F1  =  Create new X session

I was not prepared for this and got it sorted by accident. Alt-Ctrl-F2
for a console is going to be a tough habit to break. 

RBM

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 07:48:22AM -0600, Ronal B Morse wrote:
>  > Take a look in
>  > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC1/Live/x86_64/
>  F22 Beta on my machine (I run G3):
>  Alt-Ctrl-F3  =  fully functional text mode console
>  Alt-Ctrl-F2  =  Restore previous X session
>  Alt-Ctrl-F1  =  Create new X session
>  I was not prepared for this and got it sorted by accident. Alt-Ctrl-F2
>  for a console is going to be a tough habit to break.  
This is a systemd convention -- it's actually this way in F21 too.
In short, Alt-Ctrl-F6 is the new Alt-Ctrl-F2. :) 

> From http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html 
   Two VTs are handled specially by the auto-spawning logic: firstly
   tty1 gets special treatment: if we boot into graphical mode the
   display manager takes possession of this VT. If we boot into
   multi-user (text) mode a getty is started on it -- unconditionally,
   without any on-demand logic[2].

   Secondly, tty6 is especially reserved for auto-spawned gettys and
   unavailable to other subsystems such as X[3]. This is done in order to
   ensure that there's always a way to get a text login, even if due to
   fast user switching X took possession of more than 5 VTs.


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Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Chris Murphy]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 07:48:22AM -0600, Ronal B Morse wrote:
> > > Take a look in
> > > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC1/Live/x86_64/
> > F22 Beta on my machine (I run G3):
> > Alt-Ctrl-F3  =  fully functional text mode console
> > Alt-Ctrl-F2  =  Restore previous X session
> > Alt-Ctrl-F1  =  Create new X session
> > I was not prepared for this and got it sorted by accident. Alt-Ctrl-F2
> > for a console is going to be a tough habit to break.
>
>  This is a systemd convention -- it's actually this way in F21 too.
>  In short, Alt-Ctrl-F6 is the new Alt-Ctrl-F2. :) 
Uhhh, this is not how Fedora 21 or 22 behave on my Mac. control-alt-f2
still gets me a shell.



-- 
Chris Murphy

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 12:45:38PM -0400, Chris Murphy wrote:
>  > This is a systemd convention -- it's actually this way in
> F21 too.
>  > In short, Alt-Ctrl-F6 is the new Alt-Ctrl-F2. :)
>  Uhhh, this is not how Fedora 21 or 22 behave on my Mac. control-alt-f2
>  still gets me a shell. 
It may, depending on whether or not you've used the user-switch
functionality. F6 _definitely_ will. Personally, I'd have made it vt2,
to keep the ingrained assumption working (and, figure that most people
who realize they can switch between these with the function keys rather
than the GUI will be able to handle skipping that one), but, eh.


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

> >>>> "MM" == Matthew Miller
> <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; writes: 
MM> Personally, I'd have made it vt2, to keep the ingrained assumption
MM> working (and, figure that most people who realize they can switch
MM> between these with the function keys rather than the GUI will be
MM> able to handle skipping that one), but, eh.

I can't help but laugh at the fact that after all of the angst when we
changed it from F6 so many years ago, now it's getting changed back.
(It's been so long; it might have been F7 but I can't remember now.)

 - j<

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2015-04-30 at 10:02 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 07:48:22AM -0600, Ronal B Morse wrote:
>  > > Take a look in
>  > > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC1/Live/x86_64/
>  > F22 Beta on my machine (I run G3):
>  > Alt-Ctrl-F3  =  fully functional text mode console
>  > Alt-Ctrl-F2  =  Restore previous X session
>  > Alt-Ctrl-F1  =  Create new X session
>  > I was not prepared for this and got it sorted by accident. Alt
>  > -Ctrl-F2
>  > for a console is going to be a tough habit to break. 
>  
>  This is a systemd convention -- it's actually this way in F21 too. 
Not really - this is new with GDM-on-Wayland. In F21, GDM would run on
tty1 then hand off to the user session, also on tty1. Other desktops
sometimes still ran on tty7, but in all cases, the DM quit after
starting the user session, and tty1 went back to being a text console.

With GDM-on-Wayland, GDM continues running after spawning GNOME, which
now runs on tty2; this is why you have both tty1 and tty2 occupied.
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[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 02:33:23PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  > This is a systemd convention -- it's actually this way in
> F21 too.
>  Not really - this is new with GDM-on-Wayland. In F21, GDM would run on
>  tty1 then hand off to the user session, also on tty1. Other desktops
>  sometimes still ran on tty7, but in all cases, the DM quit after
>  starting the user session, and tty1 went back to being a text console. 
Ahh, that makes sense. Although, in my case, it's because I've got some
other family member logged in there, and that definitely happened in
F21 too. :)

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Neal Becker]

Matthew Miller wrote:

>  On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 08:34:40AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> > Just tried Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-22-TC1.iso
> > on lenovo X1 Carbon.
>  
>  Which version of the X1 Carbon? 
newest - I think they refer to it as 3rd gen.

>  
> > I booted OK off liveusb, but then tried to switch to VT (Alt-Ctl-F2).
> > There was a login prompt there somewhere, but the screen just went nuts
> > flashing and was completely unusable.
>  
>  Do you find anything in the logs? 
Have to try it again when I find time.  I suppose will have to use the new 
journalctl method (which I'm not familiar with).  Or would installing 
rsyslogd work with a live-cd to get classic logs?

>  
> > 
> > Alt-Ctrl-F1 got me back to graphic screen OK.  There was some message
> > popped up about 'some problem', but it went away and I didn't know what
> > to do with it (I don't use gnome - wish I could find a kde liveusb test).
>  
>  Take a look in
>  https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_TC1/Live/x86_64/
>   
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[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:58:56AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
>  Have to try it again when I find time.  I suppose will have to use
> the new 
>  journalctl method (which I'm not familiar with).  Or would installing 
>  rsyslogd work with a live-cd to get classic logs? 

That'd probably work, but journalctl is really pretty easy — in fact,
in the simplest case, just run "journalctl" to get output in the
classic format.


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Neal Becker]

I booted up the kde version of f22tc1.  It exhibits the same problem with 
VTs.  I did look at journalctl, and after reproducing the problem several 
times, I do not see any messages that appear related to the problem.

I wonder if there are any command line options that can be used on the 
kernel with the liveusb?  (How do I enter them?)  Perhaps something related 
to modesetting might help here?  Any ideas?

This is, at least for me, pretty close to a show-stopper.