Removing gftp-text

[Warren Togami]

[root@ibmlaptop bin]# ls -l gftp*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root    278 Apr 14 21:34 gftp
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 301804 Apr 14 21:34 gftp-gtk
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 163828 Apr 14 21:34 gftp-text

I really want to just DELETE the gftp-text binary from the gftp package 
in order to save some distribution package and filesystem space.  gftp 
the GUI client is great, but gftp-text really sucks.  I can't imagine 
that anybody prefers it over lftp or ncftp, and it has the usability of 
"ftp".

Anybody see any good reason to keep gftp-text?  If I don't hear any good 
reason within the next 18 hours it will be deleted.

Warren

[Will H. Backman]

On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 14:23, Warren Togami wrote:

>  Anybody see any good reason to keep gftp-text?  If I don't hear
> any good 
>  reason within the next 18 hours it will be deleted.
>  
>  Warren
>   
How about a consistent user experience.  For a new user, multiple
similar choices can be confusing.  Should I use ftp, or lftp, or ncftp,
or wget...
With the gftp package, documentation can say "use gftp" to transfer
files.  This works from both the GUI and command line.  Perhaps the gftp
program could just point to lftp or whatever when it cannot detect an X
display, and make the chosen TUI client a dependency of the gftp
package.

[Steven Pritchard]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 08:23:13AM -1000, Warren Togami wrote:
>  it has the usability of "ftp". 
I wouldn't even go that far.  I just tried it out (never noticed it
before), and even "ls directory" doesn't work.

Steve
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[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:22:14 -0500, Steven Pritchard wrote:

>  On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 08:23:13AM -1000, Warren Togami wrote:
>  > it has the usability of "ftp".
>  
>  I wouldn't even go that far.  I just tried it out (never noticed it
>  before), and even "ls directory" doesn't work. 
That works for me on FC1. Only nice thing about the program might be the
coloured output. But with lftp, ftp, curl, wget I would not use it.
Deleting gftp-text gives a funny error message, though, when gftp is run
in text mode.

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[Doncho N. Gunchev]

On Friday 16 April 2004 00:43, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>  On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:22:14 -0500, Steven Pritchard wrote:
>  
>  > On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 08:23:13AM -1000, Warren Togami wrote:
>  > > it has the usability of "ftp".
>  > 
>  > I wouldn't even go that far.  I just tried it out (never noticed it
>  > before), and even "ls directory" doesn't work.
>  
>  That works for me on FC1. Only nice thing about the program might be the
>  coloured output. But with lftp, ftp, curl, wget I would not use it.
>  Deleting gftp-text gives a funny error message, though, when gftp is run
>  in text mode. 
    gftp is `which gftp`=/usr/bin/gftp and it is a shell script that checks
if $DISPLAY is set and executes gftp-text or gftp-gtk accordingly. The message
is something like "Error: Can't find gFTP binaries installed in /usr/bin".
I'm
sure when gftp-text is removed gftp-gtk will be renamed to gftp and the old
gftp script will be unnececary. I also tryed gftp-text and it seems useless to
me. Midnight Command (mc) does the same job in text mode gftp-gtk does in
graphic mode for me (I wonder why mc is not included by default in any
installation mode, a bit buggy but verry easy to use for newbies).


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mc (was Re: Removing gftp-text)

[William Hooper]

Doncho N. Gunchev said:
[snip]
>  Midnight Command (mc) does the same job in text mode gftp-gtk does
> in
>  graphic mode for me (I wonder why mc is not included by default in any
>  installation mode, a bit buggy but verry easy to use for newbies). 
Did mc ever get UTF-8 aware?

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mc (was Re: Removing gftp-text)

[Leonard den Ottolander]

Hello William,

>  Did mc ever get UTF-8 aware? 
There is a utf-8 patch included in the mc shipping with Fedora. However
I am under the impression this patch causes problems when you use other
character sets than UTF-8. At least I am seeing problems when using
ISO-8859-15 that I believe are caused by this patch.

Leonard.

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mc (was Re: Removing gftp-text)

[Doncho N. Gunchev]

On Friday 16 April 2004 15:25, William Hooper wrote:
>  
>  Doncho N. Gunchev said:
>  [snip]
>  > Midnight Command (mc) does the same job in text mode gftp-gtk does in
>  > graphic mode for me (I wonder why mc is not included by default in any
>  > installation mode, a bit buggy but verry easy to use for newbies).
>  
>  Did mc ever get UTF-8 aware?
>  
>  -- 
>  William Hooper 
    I saw this link ( http://www.suse.de/~nadvornik/mc.html ) from Vladimir
Nadvornik <nadvornik [at] suse [dot] cz> in the <mc-devel [at] gnome [dot]
org>
mail list. I had no time to see what's there, but I hope I'll see mc with
UTF-8 support soon... MC developers last time I remember did not like the
idea... maybe this time. You can check:
    http://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc-devel/2004-May/msg00001.html

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[Gene C.]

Warren ... If there is some consideration given to removing "cruft" from the 
distribution, how about whole packages.  Maybe (when Fedora Extras becomes a 
reality) some of the packages should be moved from Fedora Core into Fedora 
Extras.

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