2:10 p.m.
So, I was reading the discussion the other day about how Rawhide's
appetite for kittens has been somewhat exaggerated. That inspired me
to upgraded to the current state of the art - I was about a week
behind, after all. It only wanted to upgrade a little over 1300
packages - what could possibly go wrong?
Well...
- tcsh breaks with "unknown colorls variable rs". Deleting the
appropriate /etc/profile.d entries takes care of that one - and I
think it's a good practice in general.
- gnome-terminal has picked up an interesting new blood-red background
drawn behind glyphs. It's kind of striking in its own way, but I'm
going to have to change my foreground color to compensate.
- Firefox has become a truly hallucinogenic experience. The 80-point
headings are amusing, as are the many pages which simply don't
render at all.
No doubt more to follow. Meanwhile, those of you who haven't upgraded
recently might just want to hold off for a little longer. The kittens
will thank you.
jon
2:13 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 01:10:40PM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
- gnome-terminal has picked up an interesting new blood-red
background
drawn behind glyphs. It's kind of striking in its own way, but I'm
going to have to change my foreground color to compensate.
The blood red is from gcc going a little crazy in optimization
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487795
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2:24 p.m.
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:10 -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
Both of these are gcc 4.4 optimization problems
- gnome-terminal has picked up an interesting new blood-red background
drawn behind glyphs. It's kind of striking in its own way, but I'm
going to have to change my foreground color to compensate.
I've built a workaround for this now (with the awesome
__attribute__((optimization... ).
- Firefox has become a truly hallucinogenic experience. The
80-point
headings are amusing, as are the many pages which simply don't
render at all.
Downgrading to pre-mass-rebuild nspr gets you a working browser.
nspr-4.7.3-3.fc11 works fine here.
11:15 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:10 -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> - Firefox has become a truly hallucinogenic experience. The 80-point
> headings are amusing, as are the many pages which simply don't
> render at all.
Downgrading to pre-mass-rebuild nspr gets you a working browser.
nspr-4.7.3-3.fc11 works fine here.
Manually bumping to the koji build also worked for me.
nspr-4.7.3-5.fc11
jerry
midnight
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 23:15 -0600, Jerry Amundson wrote:
Manually bumping to the koji build also worked for me.
nspr-4.7.3-5.fc11
Koji build's quite new, it only showed up this afternoon.
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3:35 p.m.
New subject: Kittens in distress (fixes for red gnome-terminal background & firefox weirdness)
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:10 -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
- tcsh breaks with "unknown colorls variable rs".
Deleting the
appropriate /etc/profile.d entries takes care of that one - and I
think it's a good practice in general.
tcsh? Wow. I wonder if there's more tcsh users or ppc users.. heh.
Anyway, submit a bug so the other five tcsh users can get a fix for the
problem too.
- gnome-terminal has picked up an interesting new blood-red
background
drawn behind glyphs. It's kind of striking in its own way, but I'm
going to have to change my foreground color to compensate.
Miscompilation caused by new gcc; fixed in vte-0.19.4-5.fc11, which will
be in the next rawhide push. Until then, get it here:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=92188
- Firefox has become a truly hallucinogenic experience. The
80-point
headings are amusing, as are the many pages which simply don't
render at all.
Another miscompile, this time in nspr; skip the upgrade to
nspr-4.7.3-4.fc11, or downgrade to nspr-4.7.3-3.fc11:
1. Fetch package from koji:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=73162
2. rpm --oldpackage -Uvh nspr*.rpm
No doubt more to follow. Meanwhile, those of you who haven't
upgraded
recently might just want to hold off for a little longer. The kittens
will thank you.
Things are a always a little rough right before feature freeze - a lot
of things are landing at once and some of 'em crash into the runway.
Still, if we stick to it we should be able to get these things sorted
out pretty quick.
-w
5:19 p.m.
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:10 -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
So, I was reading the discussion the other day about how
Rawhide's
appetite for kittens has been somewhat exaggerated. That inspired me
to upgraded to the current state of the art - I was about a week
behind, after all. It only wanted to upgrade a little over 1300
packages - what could possibly go wrong?
Well...
- tcsh breaks with "unknown colorls variable rs". Deleting the
appropriate /etc/profile.d entries takes care of that one - and I
think it's a good practice in general.
- gnome-terminal has picked up an interesting new blood-red background
drawn behind glyphs. It's kind of striking in its own way, but I'm
going to have to change my foreground color to compensate.
- Firefox has become a truly hallucinogenic experience. The 80-point
headings are amusing, as are the many pages which simply don't
render at all.
No doubt more to follow. Meanwhile, those of you who haven't upgraded
recently might just want to hold off for a little longer. The kittens
will thank you.
It should be noted that I would consider all of these issues as causing,
at most, mere flesh wounds to kittens.
1. To a rough approximation, no-one cares about tcsh. ;)
2. Red is pretty! And, as you noted, easily worked around.
3. Has been discussed on the list a few times and a workaround already
identified (this is the kind of thing I expect to happen in dev builds
*all the time*, and if you do choose to run Rawhide, you really should
read this list daily, preferably before you do your 'yum upgrade'.) And,
of course, there's many other browsers you can use - Epiphany, Midori,
Opera, a static build of Firefox from www.mozilla.org ...
Just wanted to chip in as I was the instigator of the -devel discussion
and make it clear that these are the kinds of issues I expect to happen
all the time in dev builds and would expect the kinds of people who
could be running them to be able to live with. Obviously it'd be nice
not to break Firefox, but, yeah. These I'd definitely put in 'you should
expect this to happen sometimes' category rather than the 'this
shouldn't happen ever, we should whip the developers' category.
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5:25 p.m.
Adam Williamson wrote:
3. Has been discussed on the list a few times and a workaround
already
identified (this is the kind of thing I expect to happen in dev builds
*all the time*, and if you do choose to run Rawhide, you really should
read this list daily, preferably before you do your 'yum upgrade'.) And,
of course, there's many other browsers you can use - Epiphany, Midori,
Opera, a static build of Firefox from www.mozilla.org ...
Don't forget Konqueror! :-)
Kevin Kofler
6:30 p.m.
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:19:23 -0800
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Just wanted to chip in as I was the instigator of the -devel
discussion and make it clear that these are the kinds of issues I
expect to happen all the time in dev builds and would expect the
kinds of people who could be running them to be able to live with.
Obviously it'd be nice not to break Firefox, but, yeah. These I'd
definitely put in 'you should expect this to happen sometimes'
category rather than the 'this shouldn't happen ever, we should whip
the developers' category.
Hmm, I feel like I'm being told I don't belong in this particular
kitchen.
I've been running rawhide - on my production desktop system - for a long
time, I have a pretty good idea of what to expect. I've seen most of
it. I just thought that there were enough things wrong this time that
it might be worth sending something out.
Certainly I didn't propose whipping any developers. I'm generally
opposed to that kind of thing. Maybe withholding beer in extreme
cases, but I don't think that's warranted here.
jon
6:36 p.m.
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 17:30 -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:19:23 -0800
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Just wanted to chip in as I was the instigator of the -devel
> discussion and make it clear that these are the kinds of issues I
> expect to happen all the time in dev builds and would expect the
> kinds of people who could be running them to be able to live with.
> Obviously it'd be nice not to break Firefox, but, yeah. These I'd
> definitely put in 'you should expect this to happen sometimes'
> category rather than the 'this shouldn't happen ever, we should whip
> the developers' category.
Hmm, I feel like I'm being told I don't belong in this particular
kitchen.
Not at all, I just wanted to use this as a way to explain a bit more my
thoughts on the topic :)
I've been running rawhide - on my production desktop system - for
a long
time, I have a pretty good idea of what to expect. I've seen most of
it. I just thought that there were enough things wrong this time that
it might be worth sending something out.
Oh, sure. It's just that it sorta read like "that idiot AdamW told me to
run rawhide and life would be all milk, honey and kittens, and HE LIED!
The bastard! Rawhide is hideous! Don't touch it!"
If I misread, I apologize :) Certainly nothing wrong with flagging up
the issues (though the most important ones had actually already been
brought up). In fact, as I mentioned, flagging up the issues is
absolutely something it'd be nice to have happen all the time.
Certainly I didn't propose whipping any developers. I'm
generally
opposed to that kind of thing. Maybe withholding beer in extreme
cases, but I don't think that's warranted here.
Withholding beer from developers? that's the worst thing you can
possibly do! Nothing would ever get done!
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8:17 a.m.
Jonathan Corbet wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:19:23 -0800
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
<snip />
Certainly I didn't propose whipping any developers. I'm generally
opposed to that kind of thing. Maybe withholding beer in extreme
cases, but I don't think that's warranted here.
jon
What is is with developers and beer? I was at a marketing dev shop doing
an internship a few years back and all the comm closets had beer
fridges! I'm certainly not against beer (I'm a microbrew enthusiast) but
aside from coffee / mountain dew / cola, I never would have pegged
developers for any other must-have liquids, less likely beer! I must be
in good company :-)
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8:30 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 08:17 -0600, Joshua Armstrong wrote:
Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:19:23 -0800
> Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> <snip />
>
> Certainly I didn't propose whipping any developers. I'm generally
> opposed to that kind of thing. Maybe withholding beer in extreme
> cases, but I don't think that's warranted here.
>
> jon
>
>
What is is with developers and beer? I was at a marketing dev shop doing
an internship a few years back and all the comm closets had beer
fridges! I'm certainly not against beer (I'm a microbrew enthusiast) but
aside from coffee / mountain dew / cola, I never would have pegged
developers for any other must-have liquids, less likely beer! I must be
in good company :-)
A good number of fedora developers/fedora infrastructure folks do not
drink alcohol at all.
-sv
8:50 a.m.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:30 AM, seth vidal <skvidal(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 08:17 -0600, Joshua Armstrong wrote:
> Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> > Maybe withholding beer in extreme
> > cases, but I don't think that's warranted here.
> >
> What is is with developers and beer?
A good number of fedora developers/fedora infrastructure folks do not
drink alcohol at all.
Yeah, withholding beer from me would be kinda like withholding
beatings with a lead pipe...
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Jeff Ollie
12:54 p.m.
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:30 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
> What is is with developers and beer? I was at a marketing dev
shop doing
> an internship a few years back and all the comm closets had beer
> fridges! I'm certainly not against beer (I'm a microbrew enthusiast) but
> aside from coffee / mountain dew / cola, I never would have pegged
> developers for any other must-have liquids, less likely beer! I must be
> in good company :-)
>
A good number of fedora developers/fedora infrastructure folks do not
drink alcohol at all.
it's the Great Geek Cultural Divide: alcohol vs. caffeine. :)
I found out on my orientation that the QA department includes at least
two tequila experts...
There's also a respectable whiskey community around, especially in GNOME
circles, so it seems.
variety is the spice of life :)
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6:54 p.m.
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:19:23 -0800
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
...
3. Has been discussed on the list a few times and a workaround
already
identified (this is the kind of thing I expect to happen in dev builds
*all the time*, and if you do choose to run Rawhide, you really should
read this list daily, preferably before you do your 'yum upgrade'.)
And, of course, there's many other browsers you can use - Epiphany,
Midori, Opera, a static build of Firefox from www.mozilla.org ...
Just to note here, Modori is not very usable due to:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488112
Basically, WebKit has some issue with -O2 in gcc 4.4 that makes it
display pages wacked out and crash all the time. ;(
kevin
11:02 p.m.
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Debarshi Ray a écrit :
> 1. To a rough approximation, no-one cares about tcsh. ;)
I work in a EDA company, and I find a very good number of players in
this field use TCSH, probably as a legacy from the days of Solaris
dominance.
Cheers,
Debarshi
+1, in my pevious job everyne was using bash...except the EDA guys (and
that's a fair number :) ) all using tcsh, no exception
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On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 06:02 +0100, Thierry wrote:
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Debarshi Ray a écrit :
>> 1. To a rough approximation, no-one cares about tcsh. ;)
>
> I work in a EDA company, and I find a very good number of players in
> this field use TCSH, probably as a legacy from the days of Solaris
> dominance.
>
> Cheers,
> Debarshi
>
+1, in my pevious job everyne was using bash...except the EDA guys (and
that's a fair number :) ) all using tcsh, no exception
I know, hence the winky. It was in jest.
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9:54 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 13:10:40 -0700,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet-ft(a)lwn.net> wrote:
No doubt more to follow. Meanwhile, those of you who haven't upgraded
recently might just want to hold off for a little longer. The kittens
will thank you.
This was right after the mass rebuild stuff was tagged for rawhide this past
weekend. It is a more dangerous time than usual.
P.S. Thanks for LWN.
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