pretty emacs

[Jack Tanner]

So it seems that Emacs 22 is nigh, and should actually make it into FC7 (at
least as an update). Can we have xft and gtk enabled too? Then, hell can really
freeze over.

[Leo]

----- Jack Tanner (2007-04-24) wrote:-----

>  So it seems that Emacs 22 is nigh, and should actually make it into
>  FC7 (at least as an update). Can we have xft and gtk enabled too?
>  Then, hell can really freeze over. 
I'd also support enable gtk by default.

XFT is not supported in Emacs 22 AFAIK.

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Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)

[Marc Schwartz]

Leo wrote:
>  ----- Jack Tanner (2007-04-24) wrote:-----
>  
> > So it seems that Emacs 22 is nigh, and should actually make it into
> > FC7 (at least as an update). Can we have xft and gtk enabled too?
> > Then, hell can really freeze over.
>  
>  I'd also support enable gtk by default.
>  
>  XFT is not supported in Emacs 22 AFAIK. 
It is, but it's better in 23 where it has been merged into the main 
Unicode trunk.

See:

http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/XftGnuEmacs


Marc Schwartz

<...been shivering for some time ;-) ...>

[Leo]

----- Marc Schwartz (2007-04-25) wrote:-----

> > I'd also support enable gtk by default.
> >
> > XFT is not supported in Emacs 22 AFAIK.
>
>  It is, but it's better in 23 where it has been merged into the main
>  Unicode trunk. 
I didn't know that.

But have you seen this bug when using XFT font:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs/18219

It happens with Emacs 23 which makes it rather painful to use.

-- 
Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)

[Marc Schwartz]

Leo wrote:
>  ----- Marc Schwartz (2007-04-25) wrote:-----
>  
> >> I'd also support enable gtk by default.
> >>
> >> XFT is not supported in Emacs 22 AFAIK.
> > It is, but it's better in 23 where it has been merged into the main
> > Unicode trunk.
>  
>  I didn't know that.
>  
>  But have you seen this bug when using XFT font:
>  http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs/18219
>  
>  It happens with Emacs 23 which makes it rather painful to use. 
I don't use w3m so I cannot attest to the problem, however there was a 
post on the gnu.emacs.help group just today which pointed out this page 
on the emacs wiki, which you might find helpful:

   http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/w3m

I use Bitstream fonts for everything (Vera Sans Mono for the default), 
so it is possible that I would not see the issues raised with some of 
the fonts used in the post you referred to.

I use 23 with ECB, PSVN and ESS (Emacs Speaks Statistics) for R 
(http://www.r-project.org/) and it has been rock solid for me. About the 
only thing that I had to do somewhat differently is to use the updated 
pre-release CEDET tools and the ECB snap-shot release for 23.

HTH,

Marc Schwartz

[Leo]

----- Marc Schwartz (2007-04-25) wrote:-----

>  I don't use w3m so I cannot attest to the problem 
Start Emacs with 'emacs -Q -fn "monospace:pixelsize=16" and then 'C-u 3
2
M-x hanoi'. Have you seen the screen flickering in Emacs 22 with XFT?
i.e. if there is no such problem I will second enable XFT by default ;)

-- 
Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)

[Marc Schwartz]

Leo wrote:
>  ----- Marc Schwartz (2007-04-25) wrote:-----
>  
> > I don't use w3m so I cannot attest to the problem
>  
>  Start Emacs with 'emacs -Q -fn "monospace:pixelsize=16" and then 'C-u 3
> 2
>  M-x hanoi'. Have you seen the screen flickering in Emacs 22 with XFT?
>  i.e. if there is no such problem I will second enable XFT by default ;) 
No flickering in 23.  I have not used 22 in some time however, but I 
have no recollection of flickering with it.

FWIW, here is my script to build 23 from CVS. Note that I build and use 
it locally, so as to not overwrite the current FC6 stable version. Hence 
the use of the lisp path configure option, etc.

# watch for line wrap here

cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[e-mail]:/cvsroot/emacs co -r 
emacs-unicode-2 emacs


cd emacs


# Watch for line wrap here

./configure --enable-locallisppath=/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-gtk 
--with-xft --enable-font-backend


make bootstrap

make


Then what I do is to create a script called emacs.xft and put it into 
~/bin.  This contains:

# Watch for line wrap here

/PATH_TO/emacs/src/emacs --enable-font-backend -fn 'Bitstream Vera Sans 
Mono' $@


I then set my default text editor, etc. to this script.

HTH,

Marc Schwartz

[Leo]

----- Marc Schwartz (2007-04-25) wrote:-----

>  No flickering in 23.  I have not used 22 in some time however, but I
>  have no recollection of flickering with it. 
Weird!

This bug has been identified by Kenichi Handa and not yet fixed.

-- 
Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)

[Neal Becker]

Marc Schwartz wrote:

>  Leo wrote:
> > ----- Marc Schwartz (2007-04-25) wrote:-----
> > 
> >> I don't use w3m so I cannot attest to the problem
> > 
> > Start Emacs with 'emacs -Q -fn "monospace:pixelsize=16" and then
> 'C-u 3 2
> > M-x hanoi'. Have you seen the screen flickering in Emacs 22 with XFT?
> > i.e. if there is no such problem I will second enable XFT by default ;)
>  
>  No flickering in 23.  I have not used 22 in some time however, but I
>  have no recollection of flickering with it.
>  
>  FWIW, here is my script to build 23 from CVS. Note that I build and use
>  it locally, so as to not overwrite the current FC6 stable version. Hence
>  the use of the lisp path configure option, etc.
>  
>  # watch for line wrap here
>  
>  cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[e-mail]:/cvsroot/emacs co -r
>  emacs-unicode-2 emacs
>  
>  
>  cd emacs
>  
>  
>  # Watch for line wrap here
>  
>  ./configure --enable-locallisppath=/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-gtk
>  --with-xft --enable-font-backend
>  
>  
>  make bootstrap
>  
>  make
>  
>  
>  Then what I do is to create a script called emacs.xft and put it into
>  ~/bin.  This contains:
>  
>  # Watch for line wrap here
>  
>  /PATH_TO/emacs/src/emacs --enable-font-backend -fn 'Bitstream Vera Sans
>  Mono' $@
>  
>  
>  I then set my default text editor, etc. to this script.
>  
>  HTH,
>  
>  Marc Schwartz
>  
>  
>   
Thanks, but build fails here on fc6 x86_64:
font.o: In function `Ffont_drive_otf':
/home/nbecker/emacs/src/font.c:3425: undefined reference to `check_otf_features'

[Leo]

----- Neal Becker (2007-04-25) wrote:-----

>  Thanks, but build fails here on fc6 x86_64:
>  font.o: In function `Ffont_drive_otf':
>  /home/nbecker/emacs/src/font.c:3425: undefined reference to `check_otf_features'
This is a bug introduced today.

Hopefully it can be fixed tomorrow ;)

-- 
Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)

[Benjamin De Kosnik]

>  http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/XftGnuEmacs 
Whoo hooo!!!! Thanks for this, looks mighty cool.

-benjamin

[Jack Tanner]

Jack Tanner <ihok <at> hotmail.com> writes:

>  
>  So it seems that Emacs 22 is nigh, and should actually make it into FC7 (at
>  least as an update). Can we have xft and gtk enabled too? Then, hell can really
>  freeze over.
>   
My apologies for being a retard, but to answer my own question: Emacs 23 (after
the unicode-2 branch is merged) will have XFT and GTK, not before.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=229165

[Leo]

----- Jack Tanner (2007-04-25) wrote:-----

>  My apologies for being a retard, but to answer my own question:
> Emacs
>  23 (after the unicode-2 branch is merged) will have XFT and GTK, not
>  before.
>
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=229165 
Emacs 22 supports GTK just as well. In fact there is a discussion
recently to make GTK the default before release in emacs-devel mailing
list.

I think Fedora 7 should build emacs with GTK to fit the Gnome desktop
environment.

-- 
Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)

[Jack Tanner]

Leo <sdl.web <at> gmail.com> writes:

>  Emacs 22 supports GTK just as well. In fact there is a discussion
>  recently to make GTK the default before release in emacs-devel mailing
>  list.
>  
>  I think Fedora 7 should build emacs with GTK to fit the Gnome desktop
>  environment. 
The Emacs SRPM in Rawhide has %configure --with-pop --with-sound --with-gtk, so
it looks like your wishes will come true.

[Neal Becker]

Jack Tanner wrote:

>  Leo <sdl.web <at> gmail.com> writes:
>  
> > Emacs 22 supports GTK just as well. In fact there is a discussion
> > recently to make GTK the default before release in emacs-devel mailing
> > list.
> > 
> > I think Fedora 7 should build emacs with GTK to fit the Gnome desktop
> > environment.
>  
>  The Emacs SRPM in Rawhide has %configure --with-pop --with-sound
>  --with-gtk, so it looks like your wishes will come true.
>   
I've been building xemacs with --xft, because it looks SO much nicer. 
Unfortunately, it's also a little buggy.  Mainly, it is slow.

[Jack Tanner]

Neal Becker <ndbecker2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>  I've been building xemacs with --xft, because it looks SO much
> nicer. 
>  Unfortunately, it's also a little buggy.  Mainly, it is slow. 
I just finished an --with-xft build, since the error that broke the build
yesterday got fixed. Wow, what a difference! Haven't noticed any particular bugs
or slowdowns (so far, at least).

Favorite sexp of the day:

(setq initial-frame-alist
      '((font . "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-8")
))

Here's to a quick merge of the unicode branch and a release speedier than 22...

[Marc Schwartz]

Jack Tanner wrote:
>  Neal Becker <ndbecker2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > I've been building xemacs with --xft, because it looks SO much nicer. 
> > Unfortunately, it's also a little buggy.  Mainly, it is slow.
>  
>  I just finished an --with-xft build, since the error that broke the build
>  yesterday got fixed. Wow, what a difference! Haven't noticed any particular bugs
>  or slowdowns (so far, at least).
>  
>  Favorite sexp of the day:
>  
>  (setq initial-frame-alist
>        '((font . "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-8")
>  ))
>  
>  Here's to a quick merge of the unicode branch and a release speedier than 22...
Indeed!

Emacs with gtk2/xft is a thing of beauty...  :-)

I had actually tried XEmacs with the xft patch some time ago, but it 
crashed rather frequently and usually at the most inopportune times 
(thanks to Mr. Murphy...).

Regards,

Marc

[Leo]

----- Marc Schwartz (2007-04-26) wrote:-----

> > Here's to a quick merge of the unicode branch and a release
> speedier
> > than 22...
>
>  Indeed!
>
>  Emacs with gtk2/xft is a thing of beauty...  :-)
>
>  I had actually tried XEmacs with the xft patch some time ago, but it
>  crashed rather frequently and usually at the most inopportune times
>  (thanks to Mr. Murphy...). 
XEmacs does not have as many developers as GNU Emacs. In fact the
development is inactive for a long time. I guess it is now better to use
GNU Emacs as it is better.

-- 
Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)

[Marc Schwartz]

Leo wrote:
>  ----- Marc Schwartz (2007-04-26) wrote:-----
>  
> >> Here's to a quick merge of the unicode branch and a release speedier
> >> than 22...
> > Indeed!
> >
> > Emacs with gtk2/xft is a thing of beauty...  :-)
> >
> > I had actually tried XEmacs with the xft patch some time ago, but it
> > crashed rather frequently and usually at the most inopportune times
> > (thanks to Mr. Murphy...).
>  
>  XEmacs does not have as many developers as GNU Emacs. In fact the
>  development is inactive for a long time. I guess it is now better to use
>  GNU Emacs as it is better. 
Yeah, there does seem to be a stagnation of late, with references to 
that effect on the relevant usenet groups.

There was some leapfrogging between the two for a while, but emacs seems 
to have taken a steady and prolonged leap in front.

Regards,

Marc

[Benjamin De Kosnik]

> > Here's to a quick merge of the unicode branch and a release
> speedier 
> > than 22... 
We need more optimists on this list!
;)

>  Indeed!
>  
>  Emacs with gtk2/xft is a thing of beauty...  :-) 
Agreed. I built it too and it's very nice. Hurray! The last of the 
cruddy-looking type applications is gone from my desktop.

I do have one issue with the icons in the menu bar missing (not missing, 
but the 2 bit versions ie black and white): has this happened to other 
people? Is there a way to fix this?

It might be nice to package this as emacs23xft on extras so everybody 
doesn't have to build this.

-benjamin

[Marc Schwartz]

On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 12:29 +0200, Benjamin Kosnik wrote:
>  >> Here's to a quick merge of the unicode branch and a
> release speedier 
>  >> than 22...
>  
>  We need more optimists on this list!
>  ;)
>  
>  > Indeed!
>  > 
>  > Emacs with gtk2/xft is a thing of beauty...  :-)
>  
>  Agreed. I built it too and it's very nice. Hurray! The last of the 
>  cruddy-looking type applications is gone from my desktop.
>  
>  I do have one issue with the icons in the menu bar missing (not missing, 
>  but the 2 bit versions ie black and white): has this happened to other 
>  people? Is there a way to fix this?
>  
>  It might be nice to package this as emacs23xft on extras so everybody 
>  doesn't have to build this. 
Benjamin,

Can you specify which icons are problematic for you?

Here is a screen capture of mine, showing the icons that I have on the
toolbar currently in a default setting:

  http://home.comcast.net/~marc_schwartz/emacsxft.png

HTH,

Marc Schwartz

[Neal Becker]

Jack Tanner wrote:

>  Neal Becker <ndbecker2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > I've been building xemacs with --xft, because it looks SO much nicer.
> > Unfortunately, it's also a little buggy.  Mainly, it is slow.
>  
>  I just finished an --with-xft build, since the error that broke the build
>  yesterday got fixed. Wow, what a difference! Haven't noticed any
>  particular bugs or slowdowns (so far, at least).
>  
>  Favorite sexp of the day:
>  
>  (setq initial-frame-alist
>        '((font . "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-8")
>  ))
>  
>  Here's to a quick merge of the unicode branch and a release speedier than
>  22...
>   
Which emacs are you guys using?  The rawhide version?  The gnu svn?

[Marc Schwartz]

Neal Becker wrote:
>  Jack Tanner wrote:
>  
> > Neal Becker <ndbecker2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
> >> I've been building xemacs with --xft, because it looks SO much nicer.
> >> Unfortunately, it's also a little buggy.  Mainly, it is slow.
> > I just finished an --with-xft build, since the error that broke the build
> > yesterday got fixed. Wow, what a difference! Haven't noticed any
> > particular bugs or slowdowns (so far, at least).
> >
> > Favorite sexp of the day:
> >
> > (setq initial-frame-alist
> >       '((font . "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-8")
> > ))
> >
> > Here's to a quick merge of the unicode branch and a release speedier than
> > 22...
> >
>  
>  Which emacs are you guys using?  The rawhide version?  The gnu svn? 

I am using 23 right from the gnu emacs cvs (they are not using svn, at 
least not yet anyway...)


See this post for the scripts that I am using to build and run it:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2007-April/msg00470.html


There is a wiki page here as well:

http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/XftGnuEmacs


HTH,

Marc Schwartz

[Neal Becker]

Marc Schwartz wrote:

>  Neal Becker wrote:
> > Jack Tanner wrote:
> > 
> >> Neal Becker <ndbecker2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
> >>> I've been building xemacs with --xft, because it looks SO much nicer.
> >>> Unfortunately, it's also a little buggy.  Mainly, it is slow.
> >> I just finished an --with-xft build, since the error that broke the
> >> build yesterday got fixed. Wow, what a difference! Haven't noticed any
> >> particular bugs or slowdowns (so far, at least).
> >>
> >> Favorite sexp of the day:
> >>
> >> (setq initial-frame-alist
> >>       '((font . "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-8")
> >> ))
> >>
> >> Here's to a quick merge of the unicode branch and a release speedier
> >> than 22...
> >>
> > 
> > Which emacs are you guys using?  The rawhide version?  The gnu svn?
>  
>  
>  I am using 23 right from the gnu emacs cvs (they are not using svn, at
>  least not yet anyway...)
>  
>  
>  See this post for the scripts that I am using to build and run it:
>  
>  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2007-April/msg00470.html
>  
>  
>  There is a wiki page here as well:
>  
>  http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/XftGnuEmacs
>  
>   
Thanks guys!

I like this:
emacs -fn 'DejaVu Sans Mono-12'