F14 Alpha - First impressions

[Fulko Hew]

a) I'm disappointed that I couldn't try it in VirtualBox v3.0.8,
   but then again F13 wouldn't install there either.
   (It might work under newer VirtualBox's, but thats all I have right now.
   (The installation 'infinite loops during system loader phase with a stack
trace')

b) I'm glad that it does (so far) attempt to install under QEMU
   (under the virtual machine manager from Fedora 8)

c) The GUI install wouldn't work, but I fell back to text install.

d) I was disappointed that it would not let me select the packages
   to install (I want KDE not Gnome)

More comments if I get any.

Fulko

[Rahul Sundaram]

 On 08/25/2010 11:21 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>  a) I'm disappointed that I couldn't try it in VirtualBox v3.0.8,
>     but then again F13 wouldn't install there either.
>     (It might work under newer VirtualBox's, but thats all I have right
>  now.
>     (The installation 'infinite loops during system loader phase with a
>  stack trace') 
You might want to take this up with VirtualBox.  Not something we test
for or control.

>  b) I'm glad that it does (so far) attempt to install under QEMU
>     (under the virtual machine manager from Fedora 8)
>
>  c) The GUI install wouldn't work, but I fell back to text install. 
Hardware specs please. 

>  d) I was disappointed that it would not let me select the packages
>     to install (I want KDE not Gnome)
>
>  More comments if I get any. 
Did you use a live images?  If you did, it doesn't allow selection of
packages during installation.   The non-live images do allow you select
KDE in the custom package selection screen.

Rahul

[Fulko Hew]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>   On 08/25/2010 11:21 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>  >
>  > a) I'm disappointed that I couldn't try it in VirtualBox v3.0.8,
>  >    but then again F13 wouldn't install there either.
>  >    (It might work under newer VirtualBox's, but thats all I have right
>  > now.
>  >    (The installation 'infinite loops during system loader phase with a
>  > stack trace')
>
>  You might want to take this up with VirtualBox.  Not something we test
>  for or control.
>  
I'm going to ignore this for now.  Newer versions of VirtualBox will
probably
work, but (to make a long story short) I'm stuck on F8 because I'm waiting
for KDE 4.x to be as 'user friendly' as 3.5 is; that unfortunately means
sticking to older versions of 'other' stuff too.)


>  > b) I'm glad that it does (so far) attempt to install under
> QEMU
>  >    (under the virtual machine manager from Fedora 8)
>  >
>  > c) The GUI install wouldn't work, but I fell back to text install.
>
>  Hardware specs please.
>  
 QEMU (or the Virtual Machine Manager) reports the Display as 'Virtual
Display - VNC server'.
What else can I look at?

>  d) I was disappointed that it would not let me select the packages
>  >    to install (I want KDE not Gnome)
>  >
>  > More comments if I get any.
>
>  Did you use a live images?  If you did, it doesn't allow selection of
>  packages during installation.   The non-live images do allow you select
>  KDE in the custom package selection screen.
>  
I used  'Fedora-14-Alpha-i386-DVD.iso'

I have to assume, that since it found something wrong/incompatible with the
VNC server provided by way of QEMU/VM, that it decided to fall back to text
mode install, and only provide the minimal installation set. ;-|

But then again yum fails to work too, but thats because it seems the network
didn't get configured either under QEMU either.  Its too bad.  Older
versions
of Fedora run fine under these old VMs.

I guess I'll just have to wait and test F14 under physical hardware...
and then hope KDE4.5 is good enough (compared to MY needs inKDE 3.5)
to make the switch.

[David]

On 8/26/2010 8:46 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>  
>  
>  On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>       On 08/25/2010 11:21 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>      >
>      > a) I'm disappointed that I couldn't try it in VirtualBox v3.0.8,
>      >    but then again F13 wouldn't install there either.
>      >    (It might work under newer VirtualBox's, but thats all I have right
>      > now.
>      >    (The installation 'infinite loops during system loader phase with a
>      > stack trace')
>  
>      You might want to take this up with VirtualBox.  Not something we test
>      for or control.
>  
>  
>  I'm going to ignore this for now.  Newer versions of VirtualBox will
>  probably
>  work, but (to make a long story short) I'm stuck on F8 because I'm waiting
>  for KDE 4.x to be as 'user friendly' as 3.5 is; that unfortunately means
>  sticking to older versions of 'other' stuff too.)
>   
>  
>      > b) I'm glad that it does (so far) attempt to install under QEMU
>      >    (under the virtual machine manager from Fedora 8)
>      >
>      > c) The GUI install wouldn't work, but I fell back to text install.
>  
>      Hardware specs please.
>  
>  
>   QEMU (or the Virtual Machine Manager) reports the Display as 'Virtual
>  Display - VNC server'.
>  What else can I look at?
>  
>      > d) I was disappointed that it would not let me select the packages
>      >    to install (I want KDE not Gnome)
>      >
>      > More comments if I get any.
>  
>      Did you use a live images?  If you did, it doesn't allow selection of
>      packages during installation.   The non-live images do allow you select
>      KDE in the custom package selection screen.
>  
>  
>  I used  'Fedora-14-Alpha-i386-DVD.iso'
>  
>  I have to assume, that since it found something wrong/incompatible with the
>  VNC server provided by way of QEMU/VM, that it decided to fall back to text
>  mode install, and only provide the minimal installation set. ;-|
>  
>  But then again yum fails to work too, but thats because it seems the network
>  didn't get configured either under QEMU either.  Its too bad.  Older
>  versions
>  of Fedora run fine under these old VMs.
>  
>  I guess I'll just have to wait and test F14 under physical hardware...
>  and then hope KDE4.5 is good enough (compared to MY needs inKDE 3.5)
>  to make the switch. 

Virtualbox has never supported alpha or beta software. Xorg and kernels
in Fedora, and other, development packages sometimes do not 'work'.

F-14, and Rawhide, have an unsupported version of Xorg.

BTW VMware usually has similar situations.
-- 


  David

[Bill Davidsen]

Fulko Hew wrote:
>  
>  a) I'm disappointed that I couldn't try it in VirtualBox v3.0.8,
>     but then again F13 wouldn't install there either.
>     (It might work under newer VirtualBox's, but thats all I have right now.
>     (The installation 'infinite loops during system loader phase with a 
>  stack trace')
>   
If your hardware supports VM then why not run it under KVM? All I did to get it 
working from CLI was:
   qemu-img create -f qcow2 fc14a3.img 6G
   qemu-kvm -m 1000 -hda fc14a3.img -cdrom Fedora14a3-LiveCD.iso -boot d

>  b) I'm glad that it does (so far) attempt to install under QEMU
>     (under the virtual machine manager from Fedora 8)
>   
I hope you don't mean the software emulated version, it will work (I did FC10

x86_64 on a Pentium-III as a hack), but it will be leisurely.

>  c) The GUI install wouldn't work, but I fell back to text
> install.
>  
>  d) I was disappointed that it would not let me select the packages
>     to install (I want KDE not Gnome)
>   
Need the full install for that, LiveCD is GNOME.

>  More comments if I get any.
>   
-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com&gt;
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

[Fulko Hew]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com&gt; wrote:

>  Fulko Hew wrote:
>  >
>  > a) I'm disappointed that I couldn't try it in VirtualBox v3.0.8,
>  >    but then again F13 wouldn't install there either.
>  >    (It might work under newer VirtualBox's, but thats all I have right
>  now.
>  >    (The installation 'infinite loops during system loader phase with a
>  > stack trace')
>  >
>  If your hardware supports VM then why not run it under KVM? All I did to
>  get it
>  working from CLI was:
>    qemu-img create -f qcow2 fc14a3.img 6G
>    qemu-kvm -m 1000 -hda fc14a3.img -cdrom Fedora14a3-LiveCD.iso -boot d
>  
I believe KVM is newer than Fedora 8, so its not available to me (at the
moment).


>  > b) I'm glad that it does (so far) attempt to install under
> QEMU
>  >    (under the virtual machine manager from Fedora 8)
>  >
>  I hope you don't mean the software emulated version, it will work (I did
>  FC10
>  x86_64 on a Pentium-III as a hack), but it will be leisurely.
>  
I think its not the pure emulated version, but there is 'some kind' of
hardware
assist going on.  It seems to work 'fairly' well... when it works.

I was using QEMU from F8 - F10, then switched to VirtualBox for F11 and F12
But F13 and F14 don't work under either (with the versions I have hosted
under F8.

>  c) The GUI install wouldn't work, but I fell back to text
> install.
>  >
>  > d) I was disappointed that it would not let me select the packages
>  >    to install (I want KDE not Gnome)
>  >
>  Need the full install for that, LiveCD is GNOME.
>  
I was using the 'full install'.

[Chris Lumens]

>  > c) The GUI install wouldn't work, but I fell back to text
> install.
>  > >
>  > > d) I was disappointed that it would not let me select the packages
>  > >    to install (I want KDE not Gnome)
>  > >
>  > Need the full install for that, LiveCD is GNOME.
>  >
>  
>  I was using the 'full install'. 
The key is (c), you did a text mode install.  Text mode does not have
interactive packaging support.  I know ajax will kill me for suggesting
it, but try selecting the basic video driver option from the boot menu
and seeing if you can get into the graphical installer that way.

- Chris