The return of rawhide live images

[Jeremy Katz]

As we lead up to Fedora 8 Test1, I have a set of (i386 only) live images
available for some testing based on yesterday's rawhide tree.  Both the
desktop (GNOME) and KDE images are available.  Find them at the usual
place (http://torrent.fedoraproject.org) and report bugs found to
https://bugzilla.redhat.com

Happy testing!

Jeremy

[Justin Conover]

On 7/26/07, Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  As we lead up to Fedora 8 Test1, I have a set of (i386 only) live images
>  available for some testing based on yesterday's rawhide tree.  Both the
>  desktop (GNOME) and KDE images are available.  Find them at the usual
>  place (http://torrent.fedoraproject.org) and report bugs found to
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com
>
>  Happy testing!
>
>  Jeremy
>
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My new Dell 1420 Laptop just keeps rebooting after initrd is unpacking.

[Jesse Keating]

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:18:52 -0500
"Justin Conover" <justin.conover(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  My new Dell 1420 Laptop just keeps rebooting after initrd is
>  unpacking. 
This seems to be the same thing that Will Woods was hitting with
boot.iso.  We think it's something in the kernel, and hoping to try a
tree that is built with a kernel that was built today.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Release Engineer: Fedora

[Will Woods]

On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 22:25 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
>  On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:18:52 -0500
>  "Justin Conover" <justin.conover(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > My new Dell 1420 Laptop just keeps rebooting after initrd is
>  > unpacking.
>  
>  This seems to be the same thing that Will Woods was hitting with
>  boot.iso.  We think it's something in the kernel, and hoping to try a
>  tree that is built with a kernel that was built today. 
Yeah, "Dell" seems to be the magic word - I've only seen this behavior
on Dell machines. You can track this on BZ here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=249597

-w

[Robert M. Albrecht]

Hi,

my Toshiba Tecra S3 laptop does exactly the same, so it is not Dell-related.

cu romal


Will Woods schrieb:
>  On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 22:25 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:18:52 -0500
> > "Justin Conover" <justin.conover(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >> My new Dell 1420 Laptop just keeps rebooting after initrd is
> >> unpacking.
> > This seems to be the same thing that Will Woods was hitting with
> > boot.iso.  We think it's something in the kernel, and hoping to try a
> > tree that is built with a kernel that was built today.
>  
>  Yeah, "Dell" seems to be the magic word - I've only seen this behavior
>  on Dell machines. You can track this on BZ here:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=249597
>  
>  -w
>

[John Poelstra]

Jeremy Katz said the following on 07/26/2007 11:55 AM Pacific Time:
>  As we lead up to Fedora 8 Test1, I have a set of (i386 only) live
> images
>  available for some testing based on yesterday's rawhide tree.  Both the
>  desktop (GNOME) and KDE images are available.  Find them at the usual
>  place (http://torrent.fedoraproject.org) and report bugs found to
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com
>  
>  Happy testing!
>  
>  Jeremy
>   
Dead On Arrival

1) Boot i386 gnome on Dell 400SC
2) Get grub screen
3) Select boot from image
4) initrd loads
5) "Ready" message
5) machine reboots itself

[Jesse Keating]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:38:21 -0700
John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Dead On Arrival
>  
>  1) Boot i386 gnome on Dell 400SC
>  2) Get grub screen
>  3) Select boot from image
>  4) initrd loads
>  5) "Ready" message
>  5) machine reboots itself 
Hurray.  Another Dell that can duplicate this.  It's like Fedora 7 all
over again.  This hits boot.iso booting as well from the installable
trees, but only seems to hit Dell users.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Release Engineer: Fedora

[John Poelstra]

Jesse Keating said the following on 07/27/2007 01:43 PM Pacific Time:
>  On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:38:21 -0700
>  John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  
> > Dead On Arrival
> >
> > 1) Boot i386 gnome on Dell 400SC
> > 2) Get grub screen
> > 3) Select boot from image
> > 4) initrd loads
> > 5) "Ready" message
> > 5) machine reboots itself
>  
>  Hurray.  Another Dell that can duplicate this.  It's like Fedora 7 all
>  over again.  This hits boot.iso booting as well from the installable
>  trees, but only seems to hit Dell users.
>  
>   
It *is* like F7 all over again.  I guess you can say it isn't a "regression"
;-)

After handing out a bunch of F7 Live CDs yesterday at OSCON I thought I'd run it at
home and compare to Ubuntu 7.04.  Much to my shame I found that F7 doesn't boot.  The
same F7 Live CD kernel panics on my IBM T41 Thinkpad too.

I'm wondering now how many of the people I encouraged to "give linux a try"
will simply throw the disk in the trash and move on.  I realize there is a note in the CD
sleeve to check the website for known problems, but would good is a trial live CD that you
can't even get it to boot? ... a major manufacturer (Dell) at that.  I don't think
most people are going to go to the website to look if the CD doesn't even boot.  I
wouldn't.

Next time we create a bunch of CDs and DVDs for the handing out I seriously think we need
to reconsider not simply going with whatever was GA.

John

[Jesse Keating]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:53:41 -0700
John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Next time we create a bunch of CDs and DVDs for the handing out I
>  seriously think we need to reconsider not simply going with whatever
>  was GA. 
Or next time we shouldn't wait a month+ to get the media made, so that
we don't have to make this kind of decision.

I'd sure love to have the bandwidth to do a fully QA'd respin every
month that could be handed out at $WHATEVER event happened to be
happening in the world that month, so that we'd always be handing out
the newest stuff.  Alas, that's just not going to happen.  6~ months to
do a single release is hard.  6 months to do 7 releases is near
impossible.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Release Engineer: Fedora

[Peter Robinson]

>  I'd sure love to have the bandwidth to do a fully QA'd respin
> every
>  month that could be handed out at $WHATEVER event happened to be
>  happening in the world that month, so that we'd always be handing out
>  the newest stuff.  Alas, that's just not going to happen.  6~ months to
>  do a single release is hard.  6 months to do 7 releases is near
>  impossible. 
Can we not use the new live cd builder to just whip up a Current
Release + updates live CD every so often so that it gets all the
latest kernel, boot, driver and random other fixes?

Pete

[Tom Lane]

"Peter Robinson" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com&gt; writes:
>  Can we not use the new live cd builder to just whip up a Current
>  Release + updates live CD every so often so that it gets all the
>  latest kernel, boot, driver and random other fixes? 
The problem is the random other breakage it'd also get...

			regards, tom lane

[Justin Conover]

On 7/28/07, Tom Lane <tgl(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  "Peter Robinson" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com&gt; writes:
>  > Can we not use the new live cd builder to just whip up a Current
>  > Release + updates live CD every so often so that it gets all the
>  > latest kernel, boot, driver and random other fixes?
>
>  The problem is the random other breakage it'd also get...
>
>                          regards, tom lane
>
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Yes, I haven't made an installable cd/dvd yet in about 20 tries.....  Typing
from a live dvd that I just created today, but no hard drive install option
on here that I can see.

[Peter Robinson]

>  > Can we not use the new live cd builder to just whip up a
> Current
>  > Release + updates live CD every so often so that it gets all the
>  > latest kernel, boot, driver and random other fixes?
>
>  The problem is the random other breakage it'd also get... 
Fair point, the major advantage (but probably the worst disadvantage
too) would be a new kernel. EG my housemate's laptop (small acer with
an external firewire DVD-RW drive) won't boot. Her response is "Why
would I leave XP.... at least it works most of the time". Now I know
her machine would work well. Its basically all the same Intel Centrino
Core Duo chipsets as my Dell D620, and I suspect even the DVD will
work with some of the later kernels with some of the firewire
improvements. But she does have a point, one that I suspect a lot of
people see.

Pete

[Chuck Ebbert]

On 07/27/2007 04:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>  On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:38:21 -0700
>  John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  
> > Dead On Arrival
> >
> > 1) Boot i386 gnome on Dell 400SC
> > 2) Get grub screen
> > 3) Select boot from image
> > 4) initrd loads
> > 5) "Ready" message
> > 5) machine reboots itself
>  
>  Hurray.  Another Dell that can duplicate this.  It's like Fedora 7 all
>  over again.  This hits boot.iso booting as well from the installable
>  trees, but only seems to hit Dell users. 
We're chasing this but it's really hard to figure out.
Upstream has some reports of what seems to be the same problem.
The next kernel has debug messages that print before each stage
of the boot process -- that should help figure out what is
going on.