Re: Trademarks & Translations [was:Re: Fedora-trans-list Digest, Vol 18, Issue 4]

[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الخميس 06 رجب 1426 16:38, كتب Sankarshan Mukhopadhay:
>  Igor Nestorović wrote:
>  > Maybe it would be a good idea for you to put a list of recommendations
>  > on how translators should deal with the names of your specific tools.
>  > What should be considered for a translation and what should remain due
>  > to legal patents, trademarks etc. 
I would also like to clarify and stress the point that our confusion, at least
on the Arabic mailing list, is not whether to translate but whether to
transliterate. Some of our members used to transliterate  the trademarks and
we have a discussion about it long ago and I have just found my comment on
the subject which is below:

<MyOldComment>
>  I know we would reach this critical point ;) Well, ahem! Cough!
>  Mohamed, I prefer to leave this as it's. Linux as it's. I am not saying
>  it's wrong to transliterate it. I am not saying my suggestion is better.
>  What I want to say is first we need to be consistent. It's not correct to
>  transliterate some products and leave the others just because it sounds to
>  you/me acceptable. Second, this is not something new. Actually, MS and
>  apple (who precede us in the field of translation of programs and operating
>  systems) always leave their OS name and software as it is. If any one here
>  has a Windows or Mac installed, he can go and check that they never
>  translate words such as Windows, Office, Word, Excel, Access, ...
>
>  Let alone other famous companies like adobe, macromedia, ... and their
>  products: Photoshop, Flash, ...
>
>  Most people don't even feel it. Arab users who don't know a single English
>  word would be able to identify their MS Word program from the menu and work
>  with it. If you ask them whether it's in English or Arabic after they shut
>  down their computers they won't remember ;) 
</MyOldComment>

Now, it's the time to hear somethig official from Redhat and to document this
thing on their website. Should we transliterate words like Red Hat, Linux,
GNU, KDE, GNOME, ... or should we write them in English letters among our
native language letters? What about contributors names like  "Harald Hoyer" or 
"Paul Gampe" when we meet it on our files?

I know RedHat/Fedora advocates "Linux is about choice" and they are not going
to reject the translation that doesn't abide to this rule but there should be
a recommendation. I don't care which choice they choose but I care about
consistency more.

The problem would be more clear when you meet things like

KCalc
KFAX
KMines
OpenOffice.org Writer

You see my point?

>  >From what I recall, the OpenOffice.org team when faced with the
> same
>
>  issue put out a *do not translate/localise* list. Perhaps doing the same
>  for Fedora, particularly with respect to the Trademarks is a great idea. 
Thanks for this tip. Will you please post a link to this list?

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Trademarks & Translations [was:Re: Fedora-trans-list Digest, Vol 18, Issue 4]

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Yes.. we should have Do(n't) list.. 
1. Don't translate Trademarks.

What else.. is there something we should take it into consideration?

On 8/13/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt; wrote:
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>  في يوم الخميس 06 رجب 1426 16:38, كتب Sankarshan Mukhopadhay:
>  > Igor Nestorović wrote:
>  > > Maybe it would be a good idea for you to put a list of recommendations
>  > > on how translators should deal with the names of your specific tools.
>  > > What should be considered for a translation and what should remain due
>  > > to legal patents, trademarks etc.
>  
>  I would also like to clarify and stress the point that our confusion, at 
>  least
>  on the Arabic mailing list, is not whether to translate but whether to
>  transliterate. Some of our members used to transliterate the trademarks 
>  and
>  we have a discussion about it long ago and I have just found my comment on
>  the subject which is below:
>  
>  <MyOldComment>
>  > I know we would reach this critical point ;) Well, ahem! Cough!
>  > Mohamed, I prefer to leave this as it's. Linux as it's. I am not saying
>  > it's wrong to transliterate it. I am not saying my suggestion is better.
>  > What I want to say is first we need to be consistent. It's not correct 
>  to
>  > transliterate some products and leave the others just because it sounds 
>  to
>  > you/me acceptable. Second, this is not something new. Actually, MS and
>  > apple (who precede us in the field of translation of programs and 
>  operating
>  > systems) always leave their OS name and software as it is. If any one 
>  here
>  > has a Windows or Mac installed, he can go and check that they never
>  > translate words such as Windows, Office, Word, Excel, Access, ...
>  >
>  > Let alone other famous companies like adobe, macromedia, ... and their
>  > products: Photoshop, Flash, ...
>  >
>  > Most people don't even feel it. Arab users who don't know a single 
>  English
>  > word would be able to identify their MS Word program from the menu and 
>  work
>  > with it. If you ask them whether it's in English or Arabic after they 
>  shut
>  > down their computers they won't remember ;)
>  </MyOldComment>
>  
>  Now, it's the time to hear somethig official from Redhat and to document 
>  this
>  thing on their website. Should we transliterate words like Red Hat, Linux,
>  GNU, KDE, GNOME, ... or should we write them in English letters among our
>  native language letters? What about contributors names like "Harald Hoyer" 
>  or
>  "Paul Gampe" when we meet it on our files?
>  
>  I know RedHat/Fedora advocates "Linux is about choice" and they are not 
>  going
>  to reject the translation that doesn't abide to this rule but there should 
>  be
>  a recommendation. I don't care which choice they choose but I care about
>  consistency more.
>  
>  The problem would be more clear when you meet things like
>  
>  KCalc
>  KFAX
>  KMines
>  OpenOffice.org Writer
>  
>  You see my point?
>  
>  > >From what I recall, the OpenOffice.org team when faced with the same
>  >
>  > issue put out a *do not translate/localise* list. Perhaps doing the same
>  > for Fedora, particularly with respect to the Trademarks is a great idea.
>  
>  Thanks for this tip. Will you please post a link to this list?
>  
>  - --
>  Munzir Taha
>  Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
>  Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
>  https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar
>  Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
>  http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
>  Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
>  New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Okay.. another issue.. not sure if we did discuss it before or not.. i need 
somebody to remind me..

something like service/server names, leave them as they are in English and 
not to transliterate them or try to define or put a brief description about 
this service or server.. :

Samba server: (samba) خادم السامبا 
(samba) خادم المشتركات 
or samba خادم 
In this case i perfer the 3rd one.. i can't put an accurate desc, so what's 
the rule here?! 

Btw, I've see a very nice translation today..lol
kerberos realm: مملكة كِرْبيروس
I should be a smart person and buildup a realm called "helwa realm" so when 
its translation become something like this one "مملكة البيوتفل" 

Any suggestion.. i don't know what realm means here.. is its scope bigger 
than a daemon .. something control a set of deamons or what.. what exactly 
its definition..


On 8/14/05, Maha Helwa <ms.helwa(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  Yes.. we should have Do(n't) list.. 
>  1. Don't translate Trademarks.
>  
>  What else.. is there something we should take it into consideration?
>  
>  On 8/13/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa > wrote:
>  > 
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>  > في يوم الخميس 06 رجب 1426 16:38, كتب Sankarshan Mukhopadhay: 
>  > > Igor Nestorović wrote:
>  > > > Maybe it would be a good idea for you to put a list of 
>  > recommendations
>  > > > on how translators should deal with the names of your specific 
>  > tools.
>  > > > What should be considered for a translation and what should remain 
>  > due 
>  > > > to legal patents, trademarks etc.
>  > 
>  > I would also like to clarify and stress the point that our confusion, at 
>  > least
>  > on the Arabic mailing list, is not whether to translate but whether to
>  > transliterate. Some of our members used to transliterate the trademarks 
>  > and 
>  > we have a discussion about it long ago and I have just found my comment 
>  > on
>  > the subject which is below:
>  > 
>  > <MyOldComment>
>  > > I know we would reach this critical point ;) Well, ahem! Cough!
>  > > Mohamed, I prefer to leave this as it's. Linux as it's. I am not 
>  > saying 
>  > > it's wrong to transliterate it. I am not saying my suggestion is 
>  > better.
>  > > What I want to say is first we need to be consistent. It's not correct 
>  > to
>  > > transliterate some products and leave the others just because it 
>  > sounds to 
>  > > you/me acceptable. Second, this is not something new. Actually, MS and
>  > > apple (who precede us in the field of translation of programs and 
>  > operating
>  > > systems) always leave their OS name and software as it is. If any one 
>  > here 
>  > > has a Windows or Mac installed, he can go and check that they never
>  > > translate words such as Windows, Office, Word, Excel, Access, ...
>  > >
>  > > Let alone other famous companies like adobe, macromedia, ... and their 
>  > 
>  > > products: Photoshop, Flash, ...
>  > >
>  > > Most people don't even feel it. Arab users who don't know a single 
>  > English
>  > > word would be able to identify their MS Word program from the menu and 
>  > work
>  > > with it. If you ask them whether it's in English or Arabic after they 
>  > shut 
>  > > down their computers they won't remember ;)
>  > </MyOldComment>
>  > 
>  > Now, it's the time to hear somethig official from Redhat and to document 
>  > this
>  > thing on their website. Should we transliterate words like Red Hat, 
>  > Linux, 
>  > GNU, KDE, GNOME, ... or should we write them in English letters among 
>  > our
>  > native language letters? What about contributors names like "Harald 
>  > Hoyer" or
>  > "Paul Gampe" when we meet it on our files? 
>  > 
>  > I know RedHat/Fedora advocates "Linux is about choice" and they are not 
>  > going
>  > to reject the translation that doesn't abide to this rule but there 
>  > should be
>  > a recommendation. I don't care which choice they choose but I care about 
>  > 
>  > consistency more.
>  > 
>  > The problem would be more clear when you meet things like
>  > 
>  > KCalc
>  > KFAX
>  > KMines
>  > OpenOffice.org Writer
>  > 
>  > You see my point?
>  > 
>  > > >From what I recall, the OpenOffice.org team when faced with the same
>  > >
>  > > issue put out a *do not translate/localise* list. Perhaps doing the 
>  > same
>  > > for Fedora, particularly with respect to the Trademarks is a great 
>  > idea.
>  > 
>  > Thanks for this tip. Will you please post a link to this list? 
>  > 
>  > - --
>  > Munzir Taha
>  > Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
>  > Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
>  > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-ar 
>  > Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
>  > http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
>  > Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
>  > New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Mohammad Ghoniem]

السلام عليكم

Maha Helwa wrote:

>  Samba server:    (samba)  خادم السامبا 
>                         (samba) خادم المشتركات       
>  or                     samba خادم                       
>  In this case i perfer the 3rd one.. 
Me too. The second one is not bad, but we have to take a decision 
applicable to all services, once and for all.

>  Btw, I've see a very nice translation today..lol
>   kerberos realm:   مملكة كِرْبيروس
>  I should be a smart person and buildup a realm called "helwa realm" so 
>  when its translation become something like this one  "مملكة البيوتفل" 
>
>  Any suggestion.. i don't know what realm means here.. is its scope 
>  bigger than a daemon .. something control a set of deamons or what.. 
>  what exactly its definition.. 
I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ?

السلام عليكم

محمد

Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

..وعليكم السلام ورحمته وبركاته

First we to know or maybe i need to know it's definition? 
Maha.

On 8/15/05, Mohammad Ghoniem <Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr&gt; wrote:
>  
>  السلام عليكم
>  
>  Maha Helwa wrote:
>  
>  > Samba server: (samba) خادم السامبا
>  > (samba) خادم المشتركات
>  > or samba خادم
>  > In this case i perfer the 3rd one..
>  
>  Me too. The second one is not bad, but we have to take a decision
>  applicable to all services, once and for all.
>  
>  > Btw, I've see a very nice translation today..lol
>  > kerberos realm: مملكة كِرْبيروس
>  > I should be a smart person and buildup a realm called "helwa realm" so
>  > when its translation become something like this one "مملكة البيوتفل"
>  >
>  > Any suggestion.. i don't know what realm means here.. is its scope
>  > bigger than a daemon .. something control a set of deamons or what..
>  > what exactly its definition..
>  
>  I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ?
>  
>  السلام عليكم
>  
>  محمد
>  
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Hmmm.. am sorry i don't send one email once with all i want to say.. 
Here is a definition specifically for "kerberos realm" seems that it's all 
one term can not be separated.. maybe there no technical term called 
"realm"; i mean like deamon..

[Source: theFreeDictionary.com; 
http://computing-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]
An access control system that was developed at MIT in the 1980s. Turned over 
to the IETF for standardization in 2003, it was designed to operate in both 
small companies and large enterprises with multiple domains and 
authentication servers. The Kerberos concept uses a "master ticket" obtained 
at logon, which is used to obtain additional "service tickets" when a 
particular resource is required.

*Kerberos Checks Passwords Once*
When users log on to a Kerberos system, their password is encrypted and sent 
to the authentication service in the Key Distribution Center (KDC). If 
successfully authenticated, the KDC creates a master ticket that is sent 
back to the user's machine. Each time the user wants access to a service, 
the master ticket is presented to the KDC in order to obtain a service 
ticket for that service. The master-service ticket method keeps the password 
more secure by sending it only once at logon. From then on, service tickets 
are used, which function like session keys. 
[is the session keys value is something like a flag telling the KDC: Hey am 
a VIP let me in :))]

*From the Greeks [Good to know]*
The name comes from Greek mythology in which a three-headed dog guards the 
gates to Hades (Hades is the home of the dead beneath the earth, otherwise 
known as hell).

So, it's an access control system, used to check the password only 
once..it's authentication system.. maybe special one..I would suggest 
something like this: "Kerberos Realm نظام التوثيق"



On 8/16/05, Maha Helwa <ms.helwa(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  ..وعليكم السلام ورحمته وبركاته
>  
>  First we to know or maybe i need to know it's definition? 
>  Maha. 


>  Btw, I've see a very nice translation today..lol 
>  > > kerberos realm: مملكة كِرْبيروس
>  > > I should be a smart person and buildup a realm called "helwa realm"
> so
>  > > when its translation become something like this one "مملكة البيوتفل"
>  > >
>  > > Any suggestion.. i don't know what realm means here.. is its scope
>  > > bigger than a daemon .. something control a set of deamons or what..
>  > > what exactly its definition..
>  > 
>  > I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ? 
>  > 
>  > السلام عليكم
>  > 
>  > محمد
>  > 
>  
>

Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Salâms,

Realm is a common word and should be translated (http://www.m-w.com/).

Besides  زمام or إطار, one can suggest نطاق.

salâm

Mohammad

Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:

>  السلام عليكم
>
> > Btw, I've see a very nice translation today..lol
> >  kerberos realm:   مملكة كِرْبيروس
> >
>
>  I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ?
>
>  السلام عليكم
>
>  محمد
>
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

mmm.. i guess " نطاق" is better.. but this will conflict with "Domain"
as 
another technical term!?
would it become something like this one;" نطاق التوثيق الكربيروسى" or
"kerberos 
realm نطاق التوثيق "
ٍStrange!! i don't know :(

On 8/16/05, Mohammad Ghoniem <Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr&gt; wrote:
>  
>  Salâms,
>  
>  Realm is a common word and should be translated (http://www.m-w.com/).
>  
>  Besides زمام or إطار, one can suggest نطاق.
>  
>  salâm
>  
>  Mohammad
>  
>  Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  
>  > السلام عليكم
>  >
>  >> Btw, I've see a very nice translation today..lol
>  >> kerberos realm: مملكة كِرْبيروس
>  >>
>  >
>  > I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ?
>  >
>  > السلام عليكم
>  >
>  > محمد
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Sherif Abdelgawad]

The three suggestion sounds right.

Sherif

Quoting Mohammad Ghoniem <Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr&gt;:

>  Salâms,
>
>  Realm is a common word and should be translated (http://www.m-w.com/).
>
>  Besides  زمام or إطار, one can suggest نطاق.
>
>  salâm
>
>  Mohammad
>
>  Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>
> > السلام عليكم
> >
> >> Btw, I've see a very nice translation today..lol
> >>  kerberos realm:   مملكة كِرْبيروس
> >>
> >
> > I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ?
> >
> > السلام عليكم
> >
> > محمد
> >
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 08:12, كتب Mohammad Ghoniem:
>  السلام عليكم
>
>  Maha Helwa wrote:
>  > Samba server:    (samba)  خادم السامبا
>  >                        (samba) خادم المشتركات
>  > or                     samba خادم
>  > In this case i perfer the 3rd one..
>
>  Me too. The second one is not bad, but we have to take a decision
>  applicable to all services, once and for all. 
I would say the 3rd also. The second option involves more work and discussions
so by all means if we are going to add descriptions let's delay it until we
reach a QA state since I don't think it's a priority. agree?

>  > Btw, I've see a very nice translation today..lol
>  >  kerberos realm:   مملكة كِرْبيروس 
>  > Any suggestion.. i don't know what realm means here.. is its
> scope
>  > bigger than a daemon .. something control a set of deamons or what..
>  > what exactly its definition.. 
AFAIK Realm is a group of kerberos servers here; a kingdom of these servers. 
Do you think there is something wrong to say
مملكة kerberos؟

ألسنا نقول مملكة النحل؟

>  I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ? 
I don't think this convey the intended meaning but I am be wrong.

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Maintainer of Fedora Arabic Translation Project
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Maintainer of the OpenBugs project page at
http://www.arabic-fedora.org/munzir/OpenBugs.html
Master CIW Designer, ICDL, MOUS, Linux+, LPI 101
New Horizons CLC, Riyadh, SA
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

WEll.. Yes it's strange munzir .. didn't hear it before?! lol
But i don't know if this a common translation to such term okay..but another 
question is Realm is a common term used in Linux or FC4 specifically.?!

On 8/16/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt; wrote:
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>  في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 08:12, كتب Mohammad Ghoniem:
>  > السلام عليكم
>  >
>  > Maha Helwa wrote:
>  > > Samba server: (samba) خادم السامبا
>  > > (samba) خادم المشتركات
>  > > or samba خادم
>  > > In this case i perfer the 3rd one..
>  >
>  > Me too. The second one is not bad, but we have to take a decision
>  > applicable to all services, once and for all.
>  
>  I would say the 3rd also. The second option involves more work and 
>  discussions
>  so by all means if we are going to add descriptions let's delay it until 
>  we
>  reach a QA state since I don't think it's a priority. agree?
>  
>  > > Btw, I've see a very nice translation today..lol
>  > > kerberos realm: مملكة كِرْبيروس
>  
>  > > Any suggestion.. i don't know what realm means here.. is its scope
>  > > bigger than a daemon .. something control a set of deamons or what..
>  > > what exactly its definition..
>  
>  AFAIK Realm is a group of kerberos servers here; a kingdom of these 
>  servers.
>  Do you think there is something wrong to say
>  مملكة kerberos؟
>  
>  ألسنا نقول مملكة النحل؟
>  
>  > I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ?
>  
>  I don't think this convey the intended meaning but I am be wrong.
>  
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 16:33, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  WEll.. Yes it's strange munzir .. didn't hear it before?!
> lol
>  But i don't know if this a common translation to such term okay..but
>  another question is Realm is a common term used in Linux or FC4
>  specifically.?! 
No, J2EE realm, ...

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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Sherif Abdelgawad]

Quoting Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt;:

>  AFAIK Realm is a group of kerberos servers here; a kingdom of these
> servers.
>  Do you think there is something wrong to say
>  مملكة kerberos؟
>
>  ألسنا نقول مملكة النحل؟
>
> > I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ?
>
>  I don't think this convey the intended meaning but I am be wrong. 
Realm is not a kingdowm per se.

Realm: A community or territory over which a sovereign rules
       or
        A field, sphere, or province: the realm of science

Hence, it is "mamlakah". Kerberos uses this word to say all
these servers that are in my realm are managed by me. So
it is basically a world that tells that all these computers
are belongs to zemam el authentication el khass be KRB el folany.

Usually the realm is a domain. Like for example my pc belongs to
REDHAT.COM realm. I think it would not be appropriate to say
I belong to mamlaket REDHAT.COM.

Sherif

Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

:(( don't know.. but it's still strange to me.. we can't change the 
orginial..
OK how about J2EE Realm.. "J2EEزمام ال". or "J2EE مملكة" 
I disagree... maybe "إطار" or not translated asln.. and say J2EE 3la tool?
Don't know :(


On 8/16/05, sabdelg(a)redhat.com <sabdelg(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  Quoting Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt;:
>  
>  > AFAIK Realm is a group of kerberos servers here; a kingdom of these 
>  servers.
>  > Do you think there is something wrong to say
>  > مملكة kerberos؟
>  >
>  > ألسنا نقول مملكة النحل؟
>  >
>  >> I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ?
>  >
>  > I don't think this convey the intended meaning but I am be wrong.
>  
>  Realm is not a kingdowm per se.
>  
>  Realm: A community or territory over which a sovereign rules
>  or
>  A field, sphere, or province: the realm of science
>  
>  Hence, it is "mamlakah". Kerberos uses this word to say all
>  these servers that are in my realm are managed by me. So
>  it is basically a world that tells that all these computers
>  are belongs to zemam el authentication el khass be KRB el folany.
>  
>  Usually the realm is a domain. Like for example my pc belongs to
>  REDHAT.COM <http://REDHAT.COM> realm. I think it would not be appropriate 
>  to say
>  I belong to mamlaket REDHAT.COM <http://REDHAT.COM>;.
>  
>  Sherif
>  
>  
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

OKay.. let's put it inside a context for better judgement:

THe phrase: "Please enter a kerberos realm when using ADS authentication."
its current translation: "رجاء أدخل اسم مملكة كِرْبيروس عند استخدام توثيق 
خدمة الدّليل النّشط (ADS)."

I would suggest 4 options:
"ADS لدا إستخدام خدمة الدليل النشط, kerberos realm برجاء إدخال اسما انطاق 
التوثيقى الخاص ب "
"ADS لدا إستخدام خدمة الدليل النشط, kerberos realm برجاء إدخال اسما لزمام 
التوثيقى الخاص ب "
"ADS لدا إستخدام خدمة الدليل النشط, kerberos realmبرجاء إدخال اسما 
لإطارالتوثيقى الخاص ب "
"ADS لدا إستخدام خدمة الدليل النشط, kerberos realmبرجاء إدخال اسما للمملكة 
التوثيقية الخاصة ب "

well.. me... aaah.. first one
i know i've change the sentence totally.. tell me about it ..
Any better suggestions?!

Maha.

On 8/16/05, sabdelg(a)redhat.com <sabdelg(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  Quoting Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt;:
>  
>  > AFAIK Realm is a group of kerberos servers here; a kingdom of these 
>  servers.
>  > Do you think there is something wrong to say
>  > مملكة kerberos؟
>  >
>  > ألسنا نقول مملكة النحل؟
>  >
>  >> I would try زمام or إطار. Any other suggestions ?
>  >
>  > I don't think this convey the intended meaning but I am be wrong.
>  
>  Realm is not a kingdowm per se.
>  
>  Realm: A community or territory over which a sovereign rules
>  or
>  A field, sphere, or province: the realm of science
>  
>  Hence, it is "mamlakah". Kerberos uses this word to say all
>  these servers that are in my realm are managed by me. So
>  it is basically a world that tells that all these computers
>  are belongs to zemam el authentication el khass be KRB el folany.
>  
>  Usually the realm is a domain. Like for example my pc belongs to
>  REDHAT.COM <http://REDHAT.COM> realm. I think it would not be appropriate 
>  to say
>  I belong to mamlaket REDHAT.COM <http://REDHAT.COM>;.
>  
>  Sherif
>  
>  
>  
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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Salâms,

Maha Helwa wrote:

>  OKay.. let's put it inside a context for better judgement:
>
>  THe phrase: "Please enter a kerberos realm when using ADS authentication."
>  its current translation: "رجاء أدخل اسم مملكة كِرْبيروس عند استخدام 
>  توثيق خدمة الدّليل النّشط (ADS)." 

I would prefer :
يرجى إدخال محيط كربيروس عند استخدام توثيق خدمة الدليل النشط.
or

يرجى إدخال زمام كربيروس عند استخدام توثيق خدمة الدليل النشط

I am not sure I would translitterate kerberos.

Salâm

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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الأربعاء 12 رجب 1426 09:50, كتب Mohammad Ghoniem:
>  Salâms 
Salâm! What's the easies way Muhammad to insert this symbol? on my kmail 
client? (I don't like to go the character map every time and can't see an 
assign key option)


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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

السلام عليكم

If you mean the character â, you have to compose character ^ with the 
letter "a". This is done easily with an azerty French keyboards like 
mine. :-) I suppose you can compose accented characters as well on a 
qwerty keyboards. ;-)

Salâm

Munzir Taha wrote:

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> >Salâms
> >    
> >
>
> Salâm! What's the easies way Muhammad to insert this symbol? on my kmail 
> client? (I don't like to go the character map every time and can't see an 
> assign key option)
>
>   
>

Trademarks & Translations.. How =?utf-8?q?about=09service?=, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Mohamed Eldesoky]

At the same time, we shouldn't tie ourselves to the same sentence in the 
original file.
We can use any other sentence that delivers the meaning to our local users.

ps, Maha, your emails come with strange encoding that I have never seen an 
Egyptian using it !!
Only reading it in Syrian emails.

On Wednesday 17 August 2005 9:50 am, Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  Salâms,
>
>  Maha Helwa wrote:
>  > OKay.. let's put it inside a context for better judgement:
>  >
>  > THe phrase: "Please enter a kerberos realm when using ADS
>  > authentication." its current translation: "رجاء أدخل اسم مملكة كِرْبيروس
>  > عند استخدام توثيق خدمة الدّليل النّشط (ADS)."
>
>  I would prefer :
>  يرجى إدخال محيط كربيروس عند استخدام توثيق خدمة الدليل النشط.
>  or
>
>  يرجى إدخال زمام كربيروس عند استخدام توثيق خدمة الدليل النشط
>
>  I am not sure I would translitterate kerberos.
>
>  Salâm
>
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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الأربعاء 12 رجب 1426 02:26, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  OKay.. let's put it inside a context for better judgement:
>
>  THe phrase: "Please enter a kerberos realm when using ADS authentication."
>  its current translation: "رجاء أدخل اسم مملكة كِرْبيروس عند استخدام توثيق
>  خدمة الدّليل النّشط (ADS)."
>
>  I would suggest 4 options:
>  "ADS لدا إستخدام خدمة الدليل النشط, kerberos realm برجاء إدخال اسما انطاق
>  التوثيقى الخاص ب "
>  "ADS لدا إستخدام خدمة الدليل النشط, kerberos realm برجاء إدخال اسما لزمام
>  التوثيقى الخاص ب "
>  "ADS لدا إستخدام خدمة الدليل النشط, kerberos realmبرجاء إدخال اسما
>  لإطارالتوثيقى الخاص ب "
>  "ADS لدا إستخدام خدمة الدليل النشط, kerberos realmبرجاء إدخال اسما للمملكة
>  التوثيقية الخاصة ب "
>
>  well.. me... aaah.. first one
>  i know i've change the sentence totally.. tell me about it ..
>  Any better suggestions?! 
حسنا بعد نقاشكم، تنازلت عن كلمة مملكة وأؤيد كلمة نطاق لذا أرى أن تكون ترجمتها 
هكذا والله أعلم

الرجاء إدخال اسم نطاق لبروتوكول المصادقة Kerberos عند استخدام مصادقة خدمة 
الدليل النشط (ADS)
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Munzir Taha wrote:

> حسنا بعد نقاشكم، تنازلت عن كلمة مملكة وأؤيد كلمة نطاق لذا أرى أن تكون
> ترجمتها 
> هكذا والله أعلم
>
> الرجاء إدخال اسم نطاق لبروتوكول المصادقة Kerberos عند استخدام مصادقة خدمة 
> الدليل النشط (ADS)
>  
What about the possible confusion with domain ?

salâm

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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الأربعاء 12 رجب 1426 11:00, كتب Mohammad Ghoniem:
>  Munzir Taha wrote:
>  >حسنا بعد نقاشكم، تنازلت عن كلمة مملكة وأؤيد كلمة نطاق لذا أرى أن تكون
>  > ترجمتها هكذا والله أعلم
>  >
>  >الرجاء إدخال اسم نطاق لبروتوكول المصادقة Kerberos عند استخدام مصادقة خدمة
>  >الدليل النشط (ADS)
>
>  What about the possible confusion with domain ? 
I have checked M$ translation and found this is how they translate
it. Also, I checked this link
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=248807

and it says:

"All Windows 2000 domains are also Kerberos realms. However the realm name is
always the all uppercase version of the domain name. There is no way to have
a Kerberos realm name that is different from the domain name ... This follows
the recommendation for using DNS names as realm names in the Kerberos V 5
protocol document (RFC-1510) "

If some one is smart enough to use kerberos, he shoud be smart enough not to
be confused.

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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Sherif Abdelgawad]

>  حسنا بعد نقاشكم، تنازلت عن كلمة مملكة 
>  وأؤيد كلمة نطاق لذا أرى أن تكون 
>  ترجمتها
>  هكذا والله أعلم
>
>  الرجاء إدخال اسم نطاق لبروتوكول 
>  المصادقة Kerberos عند استخدام مصادقة خدمة
>  الدليل النشط (ADS) 
مصادقة = Authentication ?

Does not give me the right translation here

Sherif

Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

:)) what's the meaning of "مصادقة" ? hmm it's not me only :)

On 8/17/05, sabdelg(a)redhat.com <sabdelg(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  >
>  > حسنا بعد نقاشكم، تنازلت عن كلمة مملكة
>  > وأؤيد كلمة نطاق لذا أرى أن تكون
>  > ترجمتها
>  > هكذا والله أعلم
>  >
>  > الرجاء إدخال اسم نطاق لبروتوكول
>  > المصادقة Kerberos عند استخدام مصادقة خدمة
>  > الدليل النشط (ADS)
>  
>  مصادقة = Authentication ?
>  
>  Does not give me the right translation here
>  
>  Sherif
>  
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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الأربعاء 12 رجب 1426 23:58, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  :)) what's the meaning of "مصادقة" ? hmm it's not
> me only :)
>
>  On 8/17/05, sabdelg(a)redhat.com <sabdelg(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > > حسنا بعد نقاشكم، تنازلت عن كلمة مملكة
>  > > وأؤيد كلمة نطاق لذا أرى أن تكون
>  > > ترجمتها
>  > > هكذا والله أعلم
>  > >
>  > > الرجاء إدخال اسم نطاق لبروتوكول
>  > > المصادقة Kerberos عند استخدام مصادقة خدمة
>  > > الدليل النشط (ADS)
>  >
>  > مصادقة = Authentication ? 
Good catch! I found it on the OS I love to hate ;) My mind polution comes from
the days when I taught Window 2003 Server courses in Arabic :(

الذي فهمته من مصادقة أن لها علاقة بالصدق أو المصداقية ولا أدري إن كان هذا
الاشتقاق صحيحا أم لا لكن بصراحة بدأت أميل لخطئه وأرى أفضل منها كلمة توثيق التي 
رآها وارتآها أخانا محمد غنيم، فما ترون فيما أرى؟


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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Good step Munzir.. you giveup another word!! lol

On 8/17/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
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>  في يوم الأربعاء 12 رجب 1426 23:58, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  > :)) what's the meaning of "مصادقة" ? hmm it's not me only :)
>  >
>  > On 8/17/05, sabdelg(a)redhat.com <sabdelg(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > > > حسنا بعد نقاشكم، تنازلت عن كلمة مملكة
>  > > > وأؤيد كلمة نطاق لذا أرى أن تكون
>  > > > ترجمتها
>  > > > هكذا والله أعلم
>  > > >
>  > > > الرجاء إدخال اسم نطاق لبروتوكول
>  > > > المصادقة Kerberos عند استخدام مصادقة خدمة
>  > > > الدليل النشط (ADS)
>  > >
>  > > مصادقة = Authentication ?
>  
>  Good catch! I found it on the OS I love to hate ;) My mind polution comes 
>  from
>  the days when I taught Window 2003 Server courses in Arabic :(
>  
>  الذي فهمته من مصادقة أن لها علاقة بالصدق أو المصداقية ولا أدري إن كان هذا
>  الاشتقاق صحيحا أم لا لكن بصراحة بدأت أميل لخطئه وأرى أفضل منها كلمة توثيق 
>  التي
>  رآها وارتآها أخانا محمد غنيم، فما ترون فيما أرى؟
>  
>  
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Mohammad Ghoniem]

السلام عليكم

Often, when you take official papers from one country to another, you 
need to get them authenticated through your ambassy + Ministry of 
Foreign Affairs. We call that تصديق. So the root of مصادقة is not 
totally unfounded although I would prefer تصديق.

On the other hand, Maha suggested توثيق which is probably a better 
choice. :-)

السلام عليكم

Munzir Taha wrote:

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> في يوم الأربعاء 12 رجب 1426 23:58, كتب Maha Helwa:
>   
>
> >:)) what's the meaning of "مصادقة" ? hmm it's not me only :)
> >
> >    
> >
> Good catch! I found it on the OS I love to hate ;) My mind polution comes from
> the days when I taught Window 2003 Server courses in Arabic :(
>
> الذي فهمته من مصادقة أن لها علاقة بالصدق أو المصداقية ولا أدري إن كان هذا
> الاشتقاق صحيحا أم لا لكن بصراحة بدأت أميل لخطئه وأرى أفضل منها كلمة توثيق التي 
> رآها وارتآها أخانا محمد غنيم، فما ترون فيما أرى؟
>
>   
>

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[Mohamed Eldesoky]

سبقتنى يا محمد
فعلا هى لها علاقة بالتصديق
فى المعاملات الحكومية, يكون مطلوبا توثيق و تصديق بعض الأوراق

On Thursday 18 August 2005 10:23 am, Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  السلام عليكم
>
>  Often, when you take official papers from one country to another, you
>  need to get them authenticated through your ambassy + Ministry of
>  Foreign Affairs. We call that تصديق. So the root of مصادقة is not
>  totally unfounded although I would prefer تصديق.
>
>  On the other hand, Maha suggested توثيق which is probably a better
>  choice. :-)
>
>  السلام عليكم
>
>  Munzir Taha wrote:
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>  >في يوم الأربعاء 12 رجب 1426 23:58, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  >>:)) what's the meaning of "مصادقة" ? hmm it's not me only :)
>  >
>  >Good catch! I found it on the OS I love to hate ;) My mind polution comes
>  > from the days when I taught Window 2003 Server courses in Arabic :(
>  >
>  >الذي فهمته من مصادقة أن لها علاقة بالصدق أو المصداقية ولا أدري إن كان هذا
>  >الاشتقاق صحيحا أم لا لكن بصراحة بدأت أميل لخطئه وأرى أفضل منها كلمة توثيق
>  > التي رآها وارتآها أخانا محمد غنيم، فما ترون فيما أرى؟
>
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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الخميس 13 رجب 1426 14:28, كتب Mohamed Eldesoky:
>  سبقتنى يا محمد
>  فعلا هى لها علاقة بالتصديق
>  فى المعاملات الحكومية, يكون مطلوبا توثيق و تصديق بعض الأوراق
>
>  On Thursday 18 August 2005 10:23 am, Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  > السلام عليكم 
وعليكم السلام

>  >
>  > Often, when you take official papers from one country to another, you
>  > need to get them authenticated through your ambassy + Ministry of
>  > Foreign Affairs.  
Can't you find a better example? They ask for military service to be done to 
do this :(

>  > We call that تصديق. So the root of مصادقة is not 
>  > totally unfounded although I would prefer تصديق.
>  >
>  > On the other hand, Maha suggested توثيق which is probably a better
>  > choice. :-) 
So If I count Ghoneim's as voting for توثيق which one you prefer Desokey? 
Maha? Sherif? ...

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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

On 8/18/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
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>  في يوم الخميس 13 رجب 1426 14:28, كتب Mohamed Eldesoky:
>  > سبقتنى يا محمد
>  > فعلا هى لها علاقة بالتصديق
>  > فى المعاملات الحكومية, يكون مطلوبا توثيق و تصديق بعض الأوراق
>  >
>  > On Thursday 18 August 2005 10:23 am, Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  > > السلام عليكم
>  
>  وعليكم السلام
>  
>  > >
>  > > Often, when you take official papers from one country to another, you
>  > > need to get them authenticated through your ambassy + Ministry of
>  > > Foreign Affairs.
>  
>  Can't you find a better example? They ask for military service to be done 
>  to
>  do this :(
>  
>  > > We call that تصديق. So the root of مصادقة is not
>  > > totally unfounded although I would prefer تصديق.
>  > >
>  > > On the other hand, Maha suggested توثيق which is probably a better
>  > > choice. :-)
>  
>  So If I count Ghoneim's as voting for توثيق which one you prefer Desokey?
>  Maha? Sherif? ...
>  
>  Hmm.. feen el so2al ?! i suppose to vote on something here walla eh.. my  
opinion
is "توثيق"

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[Munzir Taha]

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في يوم الخميس 13 رجب 1426 18:23, كتب Maha Helwa:

>  > So If I count Ghoneim's as voting for توثيق which one you
> prefer Desokey?
>  > Maha? Sherif? ...
>  > 
Hmm.. feen el so2al ?! i suppose to vote on something here walla eh.. my

>  opinion is "توثيق" 
So, Gnoneim and Maha is voting for توثيق rather than مصادقة . Sherif? Dosokey?

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Telecommunications and Electronics Engineer
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Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Sherif Abdelgawad]

>  So, Gnoneim and Maha is voting for توثيق rather than 
>  مصادقة . Sherif? Dosokey? 
+1

Tawtheeq it is ;)

Sherif

Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Sherif Abdelgawad]

Quoting Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  So If I count Ghoneim's as voting for توثيق which one you prefer
>
>  Desokey?
>  Maha? Sherif? ... 
+1

Trademarks & Translations.. How about service, servers, deamons and realms' names...

[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

Well, frankly i dont' know the difference betwee both words.. but i used to 
hear about "توثيق أوراق" in my world..
"تصديق على معاهدة/توقيع على معاهدة سلام".. i feel it strange here 
"مصادقة/تصديق" .

Desoky.. What encodings u'r talking about :) u can't read my emails well?!

On 8/18/05, Mohamed Eldesoky <m.eldesoky(a)tedata.net&gt; wrote:
>  
>  سبقتنى يا محمد
>  فعلا هى لها علاقة بالتصديق
>  فى المعاملات الحكومية, يكون مطلوبا توثيق و تصديق بعض الأوراق
>  
>  On Thursday 18 August 2005 10:23 am, Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  > السلام عليكم
>  >
>  > Often, when you take official papers from one country to another, you
>  > need to get them authenticated through your ambassy + Ministry of
>  > Foreign Affairs. We call that تصديق. So the root of مصادقة is not
>  > totally unfounded although I would prefer تصديق.
>  >
>  > On the other hand, Maha suggested توثيق which is probably a better
>  > choice. :-)
>  >
>  > السلام عليكم
>  >
>  > Munzir Taha wrote:
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>  > >
>  > >في يوم الأربعاء 12 رجب 1426 23:58, كتب Maha Helwa:
>  > >>:)) what's the meaning of "مصادقة" ? hmm it's not me only
> :)
>  > >
>  > >Good catch! I found it on the OS I love to hate ;) My mind polution 
>  comes
>  > > from the days when I taught Window 2003 Server courses in Arabic :(
>  > >
>  > >الذي فهمته من مصادقة أن لها علاقة بالصدق أو المصداقية ولا أدري إن كان 
>  هذا
>  > >الاشتقاق صحيحا أم لا لكن بصراحة بدأت أميل لخطئه وأرى أفضل منها كلمة 
>  توثيق
>  > > التي رآها وارتآها أخانا محمد غنيم، فما ترون فيما أرى؟
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[Sherif Abdelgawad]

wrt to the nature of Kerberos, it is used as:

Authorization & Authentication service.

i.e. it authorize use of certain service and authenticate
that user who is requested the service.

So تصديق as you mentioned, is not totally wrong, yet
to authenticate in this context would be توثيق in my openion.

Sherif

Quoting Mohammad Ghoniem <Mohammad.Ghoniem(a)univ-ubs.fr&gt;:


>  السلام عليكم
>
>  Often, when you take official papers from one country to another, you 
>  need to get them authenticated through your ambassy + Ministry of 
>  Foreign Affairs. We call that تصديق. So the root of مصادقة 
>  is not totally unfounded although I would prefer تصديق.
>
>  On the other hand, Maha suggested توثيق which is probably a 
>  better choice. :-)
>
>  السلام عليكم
>
>  Munzir Taha wrote:
>
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> > في يوم الأربعاء 12 رجب 1426 23:58, كتب Maha Helwa:
> >
> >> :)) what's the meaning of "مصادقة" ? hmm it's not me only :)
> >>
> >>
> > Good catch! I found it on the OS I love to hate ;) My mind polution 
> > comes from
> > the days when I taught Window 2003 Server courses in Arabic :(
> >
> > الذي فهمته من مصادقة أن لها علاقة 
> > بالصدق أو المصداقية ولا أدري إن كان 
> > هذا
> > الاشتقاق صحيحا أم لا لكن بصراحة بدأت 
> > أميل لخطئه وأرى أفضل منها كلمة توثيق 
> > التي رآها وارتآها أخانا محمد غنيم، 
> > فما ترون فيما أرى؟
> >
> >
>
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[Eng. Maha Hulwa]

On 8/16/05, Munzir Taha <munzirtaha(a)newhorizons.com.sa&gt; wrote:
>  
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>  في يوم الثّلاثاء 11 رجب 1426 08:12, كتب Mohammad Ghoniem:
>  > السلام عليكم
>  >
>  > Maha Helwa wrote:
>  > > Samba server: (samba) خادم السامبا
>  > > (samba) خادم المشتركات
>  > > or samba خادم
>  > > In this case i perfer the 3rd one..
>  >
>  > Me too. The second one is not bad, but we have to take a decision
>  > applicable to all services, once and for all.
>  
>  I would say the 3rd also. The second option involves more work and 
>  discussions
>  so by all means if we are going to add descriptions let's delay it until 
>  we
>  reach a QA state since I don't think it's a priority. agree?
>  
>  If we are intending to attach a brief desc.. we better decide now.. at  
least to
collect them while we'r going thru our files?! 
Yes it's lowest priority.. but just to keep in mind and not to be 
forgetten.. we kept them aside.. until we finish untranslated strings & 
fuzzy one isA..