Meeting IRC log -- 10 July 2007
by Dimitris Glezos
Jul 10 20:21:24 * glezos has changed the topic to: Fedora Localization Project
meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings
Jul 10 20:21:33 glezos <meeting>
Jul 10 20:21:39 glezos So who's here?
Jul 10 20:22:03 glezos DimitrisGlezos (el)
Jul 10 20:22:06 Raven46 PiotrDrąg (pl)
Jul 10 20:22:11 vpv VillePekkaVainio (fi)
Jul 10 20:22:22 Standbye PeterReuschlein (de)
Jul 10 20:22:35 Rasther DiegoZacarao (pt_BR)
Jul 10 20:23:29 glezos okey, more people might come later on
Jul 10 20:23:31 fabian_a FabianAffolter (de)
Jul 10 20:23:47 * glezos has changed the topic to: Fedora Localization Project
meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Person
to summarize current meeting
Jul 10 20:23:57 glezos any volunteer to summarize today's meeting?
Jul 10 20:25:07 glezos okey, I'll do it then. :)
Jul 10 20:25:17 * glezos has changed the topic to: Fedora Localization Project
meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Update
from last week's goals/TODOs
Jul 10 20:25:40 glezos so, last week we've distributed some taks
Jul 10 20:25:55 glezos Here's the summary Diego prepared:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-July/msg00018.html
Jul 10 20:26:27 glezos > Domingo Becker will contact the teams that aren't
listed on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams and also some others that
haven't suggested a maintainer .
Jul 10 20:26:38 glezos Domingo isn't around. Anyone heard if he contacted the teams?
Jul 10 20:27:21 vpv He contacted us (fi), I guess he has contacted others as well
Jul 10 20:27:43 glezos okie then
Jul 10 20:27:57 glezos vpv: BTW, how come you haven't stepped up as a maintainer? :)
Jul 10 20:28:28 vpv glezos: well we have discussed it with Lauri (ln) but
haven't made the decision yet
Jul 10 20:28:42 glezos vpv: okie dokie.
Jul 10 20:28:57 glezos what else..
Jul 10 20:29:12 glezos I haven't seen an update from the wiki translation issue
Jul 10 20:29:24 glezos vpv: did you have any discussions on IRC about patching moin?
Jul 10 20:29:47 vpv I haven't had time to look at the issue at all, I don't know
about Samiby
Jul 10 20:30:05 glezos Infra has setup a yum repo at
http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/, so it's probably easier now to have
patched versions hosted somewhere
Jul 10 20:30:06 vpv seems he's not here now. real life changed my plans for the
weekend ;)
Jul 10 20:30:49 glezos okey, we can check again next week.
Jul 10 20:30:59 vpv I did go over the patch that is in Moin wiki quickly, but I
haven't tested it or anything
Jul 10 20:31:14 vpv it does look quite alright
Jul 10 20:31:28 glezos vpv: do you think it will scale to our needs?
Jul 10 20:32:10 vpv that's the thing, it might be too slow, I guess Fedora's
wiki is a lot bigger than Moin wikis usually are
Jul 10 20:32:45 glezos vpv: maybe we can request from Infra a test instance of
the wiki in its current state to test it.
Jul 10 20:32:58 glezos let's see if it is feasible. mmcgrath: ping
Jul 10 20:33:49 glezos later maybe.
Jul 10 20:34:10 glezos Next todo we could discuss now: mailing lists
Jul 10 20:34:26 glezos so I've sent some emails for the lists, but nothing was
decided
Jul 10 20:34:50 glezos I need do send one to fedora-i18n-list to see if they are
OK hosting the technical discussions around translations.
Jul 10 20:35:04 glezos I'll do it right after the meeting.
Jul 10 20:35:30 glezos As far as the -announce is concerned, we can try the
approach of using the cvsl10n group to announce stuff, at least for now.
Jul 10 20:35:57 glezos The good thing with this is that we can easily get a list
of all people in it and if we decide to create an -announce, we can easily
import all members in.
Jul 10 20:36:22 glezos fabian_a: any news from the wikispace reorganization?
Jul 10 20:36:37 fabian_a till now, there is no feedback
Jul 10 20:37:09 fabian_a eof
Jul 10 20:37:10 glezos fabian_a: that can either be a sign of satisfaction or
apathy. :)
Jul 10 20:37:28 * IgorPS (n=igor(a)201.78.26.235) has joined #fedora-meeting
Jul 10 20:37:29 fabian_a sure
Jul 10 20:37:30 glezos I think it's the first, 'cause it's definitely better
than before
Jul 10 20:37:32 glezos IgorPS: yo
Jul 10 20:37:35 Raven46 +1 for satisfaction ;)
Jul 10 20:38:13 glezos any other last-week goal we need an update on?
Jul 10 20:38:16 IgorPS glezos: Hey! :)
Jul 10 20:38:17 fabian_a the ideas:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/Redesign
Jul 10 20:39:25 glezos so the tricky part with ideas and TODOs is that if they
haven't got a name next to them, they are not very useful
Jul 10 20:39:57 glezos let's hope with the meetings we will begin to distribute
work and make our l10n world a slightly better place to work :)
Jul 10 20:40:24 glezos Any comments on the Redesign task page fabian_a just posted?
Jul 10 20:41:17 glezos fabian_a: I'm +1 for deprecating the language list in
favour of the translate.fpo site
Jul 10 20:41:24 glezos no reason to have duplicated content
Jul 10 20:41:36 glezos which, for dynamic content, is even worse
Jul 10 20:42:08 glezos fabian_a: any further comments, requests for the wiki
reorganization?
Jul 10 20:42:39 fabian_a no
Jul 10 20:42:43 * JSchmitt has quit ("Konversation terminated!")
Jul 10 20:43:03 glezos ok then
Jul 10 20:43:07 glezos moving on
Jul 10 20:43:11 * glezos has changed the topic to: Fedora Localization Project
meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Two
meeting times might be confusing
Jul 10 20:43:22 glezos anyone knows what happened today and the meeting was
cancelled?
Jul 10 20:43:33 Standbye hnmm
Jul 10 20:43:34 glezos I read that there were 6 people
Jul 10 20:43:40 Standbye yeh
Jul 10 20:43:50 Standbye we thought that around 1900 might be more ppl
Jul 10 20:44:04 glezos Standbye: I think we are 6 now as well.
Jul 10 20:44:06 glezos :)
Jul 10 20:44:12 Standbye no luck so ^^
Jul 10 20:44:33 glezos anyway. I guess people might have forgotten (I did)
Jul 10 20:44:58 glezos let's try to remember to send reminders the day before
Jul 10 20:44:58 vpv nobody remembered to send a reminder...
Jul 10 20:45:12 glezos vpv: they might have forgotten to remember to send a
reminder...
Jul 10 20:45:26 glezos <grin>
Jul 10 20:45:44 Standbye they might need a reminder to send a reminder *sic*
Jul 10 20:45:49 skvidal SmootherFrOgZ sm|CPU spot Standbye stickster
Jul 10 20:45:53 glezos Standbye: right. :)
Jul 10 20:45:54 vpv haha
Jul 10 20:46:27 glezos Next meeting will be at 19UTC again to keep the schedule.
Jul 10 20:46:39 Raven46 I was just in work on the morning today :/
Jul 10 20:47:15 glezos moving on then?
Jul 10 20:47:19 * glezos has changed the topic to: Fedora Localization Project
meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda --
fedora-trans-list moderator needed
Jul 10 20:47:34 glezos Last week's IRC log hasn't passed through the filters
Jul 10 20:48:06 glezos I've sent an email to the admins
(https://www.redhat.com/mailman/admin/fedora-trans-list)
Jul 10 20:48:14 glezos to add couf as a moderator/admin
Jul 10 20:48:30 glezos Haven't received an answer yet
Jul 10 20:48:51 glezos Sending a reminder now.
Jul 10 20:49:33 glezos done.
Jul 10 20:50:08 glezos fedora-docs-project has the whole steering committee as
admins to load-balance the requests
Jul 10 20:50:56 glezos let's see how it goes by adding couf and we'll decide in
the future if anyone else is needed
Jul 10 20:51:04 glezos I'm all for distributed work.
Jul 10 20:51:36 glezos any comments on this?
Jul 10 20:52:15 * glezos has changed the topic to: Fedora Localization Project
meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- righty
then.
Jul 10 20:52:20 * glezos has changed the topic to: Fedora Localization Project
meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda --
Transifex progress update
Jul 10 20:52:36 * boto (n=ehabkost(a)201.21.189.129) has joined #fedora-meeting
Jul 10 20:52:40 glezos Before talking about transifex, a little update on
translate.fedoraproject.org
Jul 10 20:53:07 glezos So last week we've had a major fix for the site
Jul 10 20:53:18 glezos the OLPC release wasn't showing up and the hg/git modules
weren't updating correctly
Jul 10 20:53:29 glezos Thanks to discussions with upstream we resolved the problem.
Jul 10 20:53:56 glezos we needed to explicitely add the branch to each module in
releases.xml:
http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/web/flpweb/releases.xml.in?root=l10n...
Jul 10 20:54:13 glezos because they default to "HEAD", which isn't applicable
for hg/git
Jul 10 20:54:30 glezos now the olpc release shows up nicely:
http://translate.fedoraproject.org/releases/olpc
Jul 10 20:54:50 glezos also, thanks to Rasther,
Jul 10 20:55:31 glezos I've sat and added translator credits to the software
Jul 10 20:56:06 glezos so if it is shown translated, the name of the translator
is shown up
Jul 10 20:56:19 Raven46 nice
Jul 10 20:56:26 glezos something like this:
http://dimitris.glezos.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/flp-localize...
Jul 10 20:57:11 glezos ivazquez and quaid have edited the strings and now we've
got a DocsProject-quality content there. :-)
Jul 10 20:57:12 * rwmjones (n=rjones(a)87.127.66.208) has joined #fedora-meeting
Jul 10 20:57:35 glezos thanks guys.,
Jul 10 20:57:40 glezos so, about transifex
Jul 10 20:57:51 Raven46 glezos: could you refresh po files to take this changes
to every language? :)
Jul 10 20:58:05 quaid glezos: I haven't looked everywhere I could, but otherwise
I think the site is ready to go
Jul 10 20:58:09 glezos Raven46: I thought I did, no?
Jul 10 20:58:14 quaid "good enough" :)
Jul 10 20:58:14 Raven46 nope :/
Jul 10 20:58:26 glezos quaid: cool. then we can remove the admonition?
Jul 10 20:58:35 glezos Raven46: sorry about that. thanks for reminding.
Jul 10 20:58:50 quaid glezos: be it so! that admonition was data-oriented; if
the data is good, then its good to go :)
Jul 10 20:59:19 Raven46 glezos: one more thing, statistics aren't very up2 date
Jul 10 20:59:42 glezos Raven46: have you noticed for which module this applies?
Jul 10 21:00:04 Raven46 compare old i18n.rh.c and damned lies
Jul 10 21:00:37 glezos Raven46: best thing would be to track this through a bug
report I think.
Jul 10 21:01:07 Raven46 here:
http://translate.fedoraproject.org/languages/pl/fedora-8 almost every software
(except desc and s-c-bind) is 100% translated
Jul 10 21:01:09 Raven46 ok
Jul 10 21:01:25 glezos Raven46: cool.
Jul 10 21:02:11 glezos Rasther: can you remove the warning from our template?
Jul 10 21:02:59 glezos maybe he isn't around
Jul 10 21:03:09 glezos so, about transifex
Jul 10 21:03:16 glezos the security issues are very important
Jul 10 21:03:27 * thimm (n=thimm(a)p54BD7B6E.dip.t-dialin.net) has left
#fedora-meeting
Jul 10 21:03:45 glezos so I've sent an email to Infrastructure to get feedback
from more experienced people
Jul 10 21:04:57 * glezos has changed the topic to: Fedora Localization Project
meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -- Open floor
Jul 10 21:05:04 * mdomsch (n=Matt_Dom(a)cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com) has
joined #fedora-meeting
Jul 10 21:05:14 glezos comments, suggestions, anything
Jul 10 21:08:09 glezos closing then?
Jul 10 21:08:22 fabian_a +1
Jul 10 21:08:51 glezos in 10...
Jul 10 21:08:57 glezos 2
Jul 10 21:08:57 glezos 1
Jul 10 21:09:00 glezos </meeting>
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loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)
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16 years, 9 months
Meeting summary -- 10 July 2007
by Dimitris Glezos
Attendees:
----------
glezos DimitrisGlezos (el)
Raven46 PiotrDrąg (pl)
vpv VillePekkaVainio (fi)
Standbye PeterReuschlein (de)
Rasther DiegoZacarao (pt_BR)
fabian_a FabianAffolter (de)
Summary:
--------
* Finnish team to decide for a maintainer (vpv, ln-)
* Request a replica of the current wiki to test the performance of the language
patch (Ville, Samy?)
* Send an email to fedora-i18n-list to see if they are OK hosting the technical
discussions around translations. (Dimitris)
* Wiki reorganization from Fabian looks OK, no comments probably means
satisfaction. Deprecate the language list on L10N/Teams in favour of
translate.fpo (Fabian)
* Morning meeting was cancelled; two meeting times are confusing. Maybe
sticking with one time will bring more people at the meetings. Remember to send
a reminder before each meeting.
* translate.fpo is ready to go, got corrected/edited by folks from DocsProject.
translator-credits was added in the front page. Remove warning on the top.
(Diego or Dimitris)
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"He who gives up functionality for ease of use
loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)
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16 years, 9 months
Account
by Arangel Angov
Hi,
Could someone check if my account on elvis is still working. Username
should be 'ufo' or just 'arangel'. If there is an account (haven't used
it for three or more years), I would like to change it's password so I
can change the SSH key and use it again.
Thanks,
--
Arangel
[j/w.ufo.linux.net.mk]
[e.ufo at linux.net.mk]
[i.arangel @ FreeNode]
16 years, 9 months
POT files in Docs CVS
by Paul W. Frields
Please do not manually change POT files stored in Docs CVS. These POT
files are overwritten by our toolchain whenever the XML source files
change. If you find a problem in the original message strings, file a
bug in Bugzilla against Component "Fedora Documentation" using the
module name for the Product. Thank you for your cooperation and
assistance!
--
Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/
gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields
irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
16 years, 9 months
Self-Introduction: Richard Frontaine
by Richard Frontaine
Hello.
My name is Richard Frontaine and I am 41 years old.
I live in Petah Tikva, Israel and I have a PhD in psychology.
If anything would go well in the L10N project, I think I wold also like to
join the Docs project.
I am actually pretty new to all this Fedora contribution thingy, so as time
passes I would see what more I can do. I'm sure there's a lot more to do in
here.
I haven't done anything like that before. Ohhh, I helped to translate Gmail
to hebrew but I didn't really do anything but to learn how to do it :)
I am pretty good in handling computers and I'm more of a software guy than
hardware. I also have very basic programming skills.
I guess maybe in the future I would like to become an ambassador, but I'm
not sure.
My GPG Key is: DDD66C62
Here is the whole block of information:
[root@localhost ~]# gpg --fingerprint DDD66C62
pub 1024D/DDD66C62 2007-07-06
Key fingerprint = F653 9FC2 FB04 45D4 47FA B048 00FB 8B95 DDD6 6C62
uid Richard Frontaine <RichardFrontaine(a)gmail.com>
sub 2048g/A86FDD7D 2007-07-06
Hope I did it right :)
Have a good day.
16 years, 9 months
Translating FWN
by Dimitris Glezos
Something that hit me today while eating breakfast.
For those who would like to translate FWN, or basically *any wiki page*, using
PO tools, something along the following lines *could* probably work:
wget -O fwn.xml -U NoSuchBrowser/1.0
'http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue95?action=format&mimetype=xml/docbook'
xml2pot fwn.xml > fwn.pot
cp fwn.pot el.po
kbabel el.po
po2xml fwn.xml el.po > fwn.el.xml
docbook2html -o fwn-el fwn.el.xml
pandoc -f html -t rst el/t1.html > fwn.text
The end result is restructured text which can be used in the wiki and many CMSs.
Pandoc can output markdown as well (cool for emails).
Anyone willing to fine-tune the above procedure and put it up on a wiki page for
reference, the DocsProject folks know the docbook/translation procedure pretty
well and would be willing to help out.
-d
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16 years, 9 months
Meeting minutes 03/07
by Diego Búrigo Zacarão
Attendees:
-----------
Diego Zacarao (pt_BR)
Dimitris Glezos (el)
Domingo Becker (es)
Fabian Affolter (de)
Noriko Mizumoto (ja)
Piotr Drąg (pl)
Runa Bhattacharjee (bn_IN Bengali (INDIA))
Samuel Bizien (fr)
Ville Pekka Vainio (fi)
Summary:
---------
* Fabian Affolter is the new maintainer for German.
* Diego Zacarao has stepped up as QA for our website, so he's been added to
owners.list to receive bugs.
* As the new website needs maintainer for the languages teams, Domingo
Becker will contact the teams that aren't listed on
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams and also some others that haven't
suggested a maintainer .
* The second meeting time for the weekly Fedora Translation Project meetings
has been fixed as UTC 1100 AM. Let's try it for next week, and we'll see how
it goes.
* Not decided about WikiPages yet. Samuel Bizien and Ville Pekka Vainio will
try coordinate with Mike McGrath and Paulo Santos about a way how the
WikiPages can get support L10n done.
* Fabian Affolter have started with a redesign of the wiki pages around
L10N. He will note on a wiki page your thoughts and/or changes so that
people can comment on them. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/Redesign
)
* Noriko Mizumoto have finished a review and he will do the same above to
Translation Quick Start Guide. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/TQSG
)
* Dimitris Glezos is thinking about three separate mailing list for FLP.
f-t-list for discussion, f-t-announce only for announce and maybe f-t-devel
for receive bugs, etc... Not decided yet. Dimitris Glezos will send an email
to the list about this issue.
* FLP now has a logo create by Diego Zacarao. You can see it at:
http://translate.fedoraproject.org/
(I'm sorry if I'm missing something)
Regards
--
Diego Búrigo Zacarão
Linux User #402589
USE SOFTWARE LIVRE
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