Minutes of 2015/12/16 G11N (L10N and Zanata) meeting
by Pravin Satpute
Hi all,
We had good meeting today. Please note, no meeting for next two week
due to Christmas and New year celebrations.
Minutes are as follows:
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#fedora-meeting: g11n
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Meeting started by pravins at 05:00:14 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-12-16/g11n.2015-12-1...
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Meeting summary
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* agenda and roll call (pravins, 05:00:21)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2015-12-16
(pravins, 05:00:24)
* Upcoming schedule (pravins, 05:01:54)
* 2016-01-12 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline
(System Wide Changes) (pravins, 05:01:59)
* not scheduled yet Side Tag Builds Deadline (pravins, 05:01:59)
* not required Mass Rebuild (pravins, 05:01:59)
* 2016-02-02 Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future
F25) (pravins, 05:01:59)
* 2016-02-16 Alpha Freeze (*) (pravins, 05:02:00)
* 2016-02-16 Software String Freeze (pravins, 05:02:00)
* 2016-02-16 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
(pravins, 05:02:01)
* 2016-02-16 Bodhi activation point (pravins, 05:02:03)
* Action items (pravins, 05:02:34)
* aeng to ping Luke for survey blog post. (pravins, 05:03:40)
* noriko to post L10N sprint idea to trans mailing list. (pravins,
05:05:12)
* tagoh_ to drop email in mailing list g11n/devel regarding string
(pravins, 05:06:18)
* G11N FAD (pravins, 05:09:47)
* #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins, 05:09:47)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43 (pravins, 05:09:47)
* Zanata feedback survey (pravins, 05:11:56)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/3 (pravins, 05:11:56)
* LINK:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18YRLc2OdmrSEnyN5ykJncj5SR67IDlM-UbTIy...
(lukebrooker, 05:14:32)
* ACTION: lukebrooker to publish Zanata survey summary post by Friday
18th Dec. (pravins, 05:17:32)
* L10N and Zanata planning for Fedora 24 (pravins, 05:17:46)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/16 (pravins, 05:17:46)
* G11n Governance (Pravin) (pravins, 05:19:36)
* L10n Sprints (pravins, 05:19:54)
* Automation of langpack LiveCD (Parag) (pravins, 05:24:52)
* meeting time (pravins, 05:27:28)
* Open Floor (pravins, 05:35:52)
* No meeting on 23rd and 30th Dec. due to Christmas and New years
celebrations. (pravins, 05:37:58)
Meeting ended at 05:44:31 UTC.
Action Items
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* lukebrooker to publish Zanata survey summary post by Friday 18th Dec.
Action Items, by person
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* lukebrooker
* lukebrooker to publish Zanata survey summary post by Friday 18th
Dec.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* pravins (114)
* juhp (19)
* noriko (13)
* lukebrooker (9)
* zodbot (7)
* tagoh_ (3)
* suanand (2)
* mfabian (1)
* ueno (1)
* paragan (1)
* epico (1)
* fujiwarat (1)
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8 years, 4 months
F23 Installation Guide available now
by Noriko Mizumoto
Hi Translators
I heard from Russian team via Yulia having interest to translate
Installation Guide, but there are only F21 and F22 branches.
Now F23 branch has been uploaded and available to translate[1].
Also I got help from Alex of Zanata team and import RHEL Installation
Guide translation to fedora.zanata instance, making them available to
reuse as translation memory. If you go F23 Installation Guide -> your
language -> open any file, you are in 'editor' screen to translate. At
the bottom 'Translation Memory' is available. I hope this helps a bit.
The following languages translation have been imported.
- Assamese
- Bengali
- Chinese Simplified
- Chinese Traditional
- French
- German
- Gujarati
- Hindi
- Italian
- Japanese
- Kannada
- Korean
- Malayalam
Enjoy translation!
[1]:https://fedora.zanata.org/project/view/fedora-installation-guide
noriko
8 years, 4 months
The Language-Team line
by Göran Uddeborg
Hello,
How is the "Language-Team" line controlled?
A few times, I've tried to replace it with our normal mailing list
link, but that has been reset when I upload to Zanata. Normally not a
big deal, that link is ok too. But recently Anders Jonsson, while
reviewing my translation, noted that for boot.fedoraproject.org it was
pointing to the old Transifex page,
(http://www.transifex.com/projects/p/fedora-web/).
That is obsolete as far as I know. Who can can update it? Can I do
it?
8 years, 4 months
Minutes of G11N (i18n focused) meeting - 2015-12-09
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com
Hi All,
We had good meeting today. Minutes are as follows.
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#fedora-meeting: g11n
=====================
Meeting started by pravins at 06:02:58 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-12-09/g11n.2015-12-0...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* agenda and roll call (pravins, 06:03:06)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-12-09
(pravins, 06:03:06)
* LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/open (pravins,
06:04:58)
* Upcoming schedule (pravins, 06:07:12)
* 2016-01-12 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline
(System Wide Changes) (pravins, 06:07:26)
* not scheduled yet Side Tag Builds Deadline (pravins, 06:07:26)
* not required Mass Rebuild (pravins, 06:07:26)
* 2016-02-02 Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future
F25) (pravins, 06:07:26)
* 2016-02-16 Alpha Freeze (*) (pravins, 06:07:26)
* 2016-02-16 Software String Freeze (pravins, 06:07:27)
* 2016-02-16 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
(pravins, 06:07:29)
* 2016-02-16 Bodhi activation point (pravins, 06:07:31)
* Outstanding task (pravins, 06:10:03)
* #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages
(anishpatil) (pravins, 06:10:03)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36 (pravins, 06:10:03)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756939 (pravins,
06:11:34)
* ACTION: anish_ to update bug report to disable xkb layouts for
Indian language in gnome. (pravins, 06:11:59)
* New topics (pravins, 06:12:09)
* #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins) (pravins, 06:12:16)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43 (pravins, 06:12:16)
* ACTION: pravins to work this week for G11N FAD summary post on
community blog. (pravins, 06:16:27)
* #57: Fedora 24 change planning (pravins) (pravins, 06:18:13)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57 (pravins, 06:18:13)
* mfabian has moved glibc_subpackaging change proposal to Fedora 24.
(pravins, 06:22:27)
* LINK:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZaD...
(pravins, 06:25:25)
* fujiwarat to rename bin/ibus-fbterm and bin/ibus-fbterm-launch to
libexec/ibus-fbterm-backend and bin/ibus-fbterm. (pravins,
06:33:44)
* IDEA: PoC of NextGen G11n workflow (Jens/Zanata?) (pravins,
06:34:05)
* IDEA: Automatic testing (Akira) (pravins, 06:34:14)
* IDEA: Description support of the configuration in fontconfig (Akira)
(pravins, 06:34:21)
* #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release (pravins) (pravins,
06:40:32)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58 (pravins, 06:40:32)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements
(pravins, 06:41:27)
* ACTION: Every i18n members to find some bugs from dashboard and add
if for Fedora 24 planning page. (pravins, 06:53:24)
* New task (pravins, 06:53:45)
* #56: Fedora 21 EOL Bugs triaging (pravins) (pravins, 06:53:46)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/56 (pravins, 06:53:46)
* ACTION: pravins to close F21 EOL triage ticket with list of bugs
closed without any triaging. (pravins, 07:00:03)
* Open Floor (pravins, 07:00:22)
Meeting ended at 07:09:45 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* anish_ to update bug report to disable xkb layouts for Indian language
in gnome.
* pravins to work this week for G11N FAD summary post on community blog.
* Every i18n members to find some bugs from dashboard and add if for
Fedora 24 planning page.
* pravins to close F21 EOL triage ticket with list of bugs closed
without any triaging.
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* pravins
* pravins to work this week for G11N FAD summary post on community
blog.
* pravins to close F21 EOL triage ticket with list of bugs closed
without any triaging.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* anish_ to update bug report to disable xkb layouts for Indian
language in gnome.
* Every i18n members to find some bugs from dashboard and add if for
Fedora 24 planning page.
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* pravins (165)
* juhp (31)
* zodbot (19)
* fujiwarat (9)
* mfabian (3)
* epico (3)
* suanand (1)
* paragan (1)
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8 years, 4 months
Wiki for Fedora 24 Globalization improvement plans
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com
Hi All,
We had some initial discussion during Fedora 23 development cycle on
this. Ticket No. [1]
In last one year at least 3-4 enthusiast students came to me and asked,
i want to become Fedora contributor tell me how can i start it.
From G11N perspective, i think its good if we plan our improvement
plans for upcoming Fedora release and simply ask new contributor to go
through it and ping existing owner or mentor and take over the bug.
This solves couple of things.
1. New contributor get list of task planned for ongoing Fedora release.
There is good chance that his improvement he can see in coming Fedora
release.
2. He gets mentor as well :)
There is one second objective behind this. We do lots of changes in
Fedora and somehow miss to highlight it. I think this page will give whole
picture of improvement plans for Fedora and after release it will be useful
for release notes and talking point. We cant do everything with Change
proposal. So here it comes.
I have created Wiki page. [1] If you are planning any particular
activity for Fedora 24. From i18n. l10n or Zanata point. Please mention it
there.
Regards,
Pravin Satpute
1. https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58
2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements
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8 years, 4 months
L10N String Breakage monitoring
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com
Hi all,
Bringing this topic from meeting discussion to mailing list for
wider audience.
Often after completion of translation package get updated with more
string or sometime translated .po file does not get pulled while
building package. This causes L10N string breakage.
Anaconda is major candidate where we fail often with string breakage.
We started this discussion in Fedora 23. Now we are thinking how we
could monitor this better. Following are some initial discussions
happened in G11N meeting. Just though to share with you all :)
Regards,
Pravin Satpute
05:17:28 <pravins> #idea String Breakage monitoring (Jens, Akira)
05:18:01 <pravins> juhp: tagoh_ any further idea on this.
05:18:14 <pravins> I think we are tracking in i18n side.
05:19:20 <pravins> We did not had any discussion last time, since juhp
and tagoh_ both were not available :)
05:19:25 <juhp> I have been thinking about it a little...
05:19:37 <tagoh_> not started to work on that but we know where
upstream repo is from zanata. it could be used to check by comparing
the POT in zanata and upstream?
05:20:08 <pravins> nice idea.
05:20:24 <pravins> How about discussing this as well in mailing list?
Even devel list is fine i think.
05:20:54 <juhp> my current idea is to try track koji builds for some
specific packages looking for string changes
05:21:36 <fujiwarat> upstream is unstable.
05:21:55 <juhp> part of it might be also tracking out of date POT/po files
05:21:59 <pravins> umm, to me comparing .pot periodically or with
script looks more promising.
05:22:33 <pravins> #idea String breakage monitoring - 1. Comparing POT
in Zanata and upstream.
05:22:43 <aeng> how often do we check?
05:22:55 <pravins> We do not
05:23:01 <aeng> or plan to do the comparison?
05:23:16 <tagoh_> assuming that they are properly branching and link
to zanata. if it doesn't work, they might use zanata wrongly I
suppose.
05:23:57 <pravins> aeng: that is idea proposed by tagoh_ and juhp ,
to have some script or automation.
05:24:23 <juhp> what is in zanata might not be in fedora though
05:24:29 <aeng> yup
05:24:45 <pravins> #idea String breakage monitoring - 1. Track Koji
builds for some specific packages looking for string changes.
05:24:48 <tagoh_> juhp: right. so need to pick up projects we want to
keep on track
05:25:06 <juhp> aeng, I would suggest daily or whenever there is a
build - depending on the approach we take
05:25:16 <pravins> as we discussed Anacodda is major candidate here :)
05:25:31 <juhp> tagoh_, ah no - I mean strings in zanata might not be
in fedora :)
05:25:44 <juhp> additionally we might want to track projects not in Zanata
05:26:16 <aeng> so the script might need to be dynamic enough
05:26:25 <juhp> but leveraging zanata for this certainly also makes
some sense :)
05:26:52 <juhp> or maybe we should look at both zanata, upstream and
package content
05:27:06 <juhp> aeng, yeah
05:27:13 <tagoh_> juhp: what is the original POT to compare then?
checking on the buildsys would need a cache to check right?
05:27:41 <juhp> tagoh_, right so the script might have to
generate/cache POT files even
05:28:23 <juhp> but if we really what to track fedora string breakage
then seems to me we need to look at what is actually in Fedora
05:29:51 <juhp> also s/breakage/changes/
05:30:16 <pravins> yeah, comparing with Fedora make sense
05:30:23 <tagoh_> hm, that said those translations are coming from zanata :)
05:31:30 <tagoh_> and detecting on the build time doesn't address
anything. we can just know "they broke it again".
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8 years, 4 months
Reminder: Fedora G11N meeting focused on I18N tomorrow @ 06:00 UTC
by Pravin Satpute
Hi all,
We have meeting tomorrow At #fedora-meeting (Freenode). Agenda is
available at [1].
Action items, by person from 25th Nov meeting
1. anish_
1. anish_ to update bug report to disable xkb layouts for Indian
language in gnome.
2. epico
1. paragan ueno epico tagoh___ to triage open bugs for Fedora 21.
3. fujiwarat
1. fujiwarat to set deadline for "Merge IBus fbterm into ibus core"
4. paragan
1. paragan to create ticket for Automation of langpack LiveCD for
better tracking status.
2. paragan ueno epico tagoh___ to triage open bugs for Fedora 21.
5. pravins
1. pravins to ask all FAD attendees for summaries and reports.
2. pravins to work on Collaborating summary post on G11N Fedora
activities day.
3. pravins to drop email on i18n list with all missed idea for F24.
4. pravins to create Wiki for listing bugs for Fedora 24.
5. pravins to drop email on i18n list with open bugs
6. ueno
1. paragan ueno epico tagoh___ to triage open bugs for Fedora 21.
7. *UNASSIGNED*
1. All FAD attendees to upload report/summaries blog link on ticket #43
2. Everyone to select few bugs from Bug list for Fedora 24
development cycle.
3. resolve "Questions on Translation work flow for Fedora Website"
by Next week G11N meeting.
Thanks,
Pravin Satpute
1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-12-09
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