[Fedora] Plan Stage 0: Move to Zanata

[Noriko Mizumoto]

(This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may
impact Infra and websites teams.)

Hi all translators,

With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first meetup
with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news
I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the
following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as
suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users
ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited
capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated
than pinging on irc.
I thank you so much to Zanata team!

Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
Period: 4 weeks
* This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.

Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance)
Available at: TBA
Period: n/a
* This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.

Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested
Available at: TBA
Period: n/a
* History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be
migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history
to be imported (or may be given up).

[1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata

cheers

noriko

>  16. červenec 2014 v 16:02 Noriko Mizumoto
> <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  napsal(a):
>
>
>
>  Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance)
>  Available at: TBA
>  Period: n/a
>  * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
>  every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
>  team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
>  translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
>
>  cheers
>
>  noriko
>  -- 
Hi Noriko,
Hi all,

I am just courious if it means that users/translators that already have a zanata
(FAS) account for translate.zanata.org will have to create another zanata
account for fedora.zanata.org? I would obviously prefer if the former could be
re-used for the fedora zanata instance.

Thank you for providing any info, sooner or later.

Josef

[Noriko Mizumoto]

(2014年07月17日 04:01), josefhruska(a)upcmail.cz wrote:
>   > 16. červenec 2014 v 16:02 Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  napsal(a):
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance)
>   > Available at: TBA
>   > Period: n/a
>   > * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
>   > every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
>   > team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
>   > translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
>   >
>   > cheers
>   >
>   > noriko
>   > --
>  Hi Noriko,
>  Hi all,
>  I am just courious if it means that users/translators that already have
>  a zanata (FAS) account for translate.zanata.org will have to create
>  another zanata account for fedora.zanata.org? I would obviously prefer
>  if the former could be re-used for the fedora zanata instance.
>  Thank you for providing any info, sooner or later.
>  Josef 
Thanks for asking!
Yes, we will have to create new account, and can use exact same username.

In translate.zanata.org, non-Fedora translators reside. There is no 
Organization feature in zanata yet, and it is hard to separate 
non-Fedora and fedora users completely on same instance atm. We can not 
force our own rule there. In order to keep and maintain our team 
structure (or user structure) such as names, coordinators and rules of 
approval, having separate instance is simple and clear. As the instance 
will be newly created, same username can be used. Eventually all Fedora 
packages will move to fedora.zanata.org.
Zanata team, pls correct me if I am misunderstanding.

noriko

[sankarshan]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
<noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
>  Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
>  Period: 4 weeks
>  * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
>  account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
>  request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
>  the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
>  E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed. 
A good way to reduce bug volume would be to make it very clear about
the scope of the word "play". That is, what features/actions/events
can be expected and which ones are out of scope for this specific
instance.

The alternative is to provide a document that lists all possible
actions which can be undertaken on this instance. And request bugs
only if there is unexpected behavior for those.

The period of availability of the Test Instance should have some dates
associated eg. From <this date> to <this>

>  Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance)
>  Available at: TBA
>  Period: n/a
>  * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
>  every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
>  team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
>  translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration. 
As above, the list of features/actions/events which can be tested in
this instance/deployment would need to be documented.


-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan>

[Noriko Mizumoto]

(2014年07月17日 11:58), sankarshan wrote:
>  On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
>  <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>
> > Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
> > Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
> > Period: 4 weeks
> > * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
> > account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
> > request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
> > the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
> > E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
>
>  A good way to reduce bug volume would be to make it very clear about
>  the scope of the word "play". That is, what features/actions/events
>  can be expected and which ones are out of scope for this specific
>  instance. 
Snkarshan, thank you for pointing this.
I've now updated the plan page [1], and tried to describe a little more.
Zanata team is not familiar with Fedora Localization activity, and we 
have to tell them what we want. Ping me and I can make you all admin.

>  The alternative is to provide a document that lists all possible
>  actions which can be undertaken on this instance. And request bugs
>  only if there is unexpected behavior for those.
>
>  The period of availability of the Test Instance should have some dates
>  associated eg. From <this date> to <this> 
The dates from/to for stage 0 have been set. This is flexible.

> > Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance)
> > Available at: TBA
> > Period: n/a
> > * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
> > every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
> > team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
> > translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
>
>  As above, the list of features/actions/events which can be tested in
>  this instance/deployment would need to be documented. 
This would be fully dependable on the result from the test on the test 
instance. afaik, this instance will be live, and need more inputs and 
consensus before deployment I guess.

noriko

>

[Zoltan Hoppar]

HI,

I have seen TMX file support in Zanata, wich makes it really
interesting - because Transifex ALSO supports that format. What means
this? Well, Transifex can save, export a whole language tree, and if
we can feed it properly with Zanata - it could be a huge
advantage/time saver.

My question is how can we feed it? Is this solution working in Zanata?

Thank you,

Zoltan

2014-07-17 8:43 GMT+02:00 Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  (2014年07月17日 11:58), sankarshan wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
> > <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
> >> Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
> >> Period: 4 weeks
> >> * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
> >> account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
> >> request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
> >> the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
> >> E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
> >
> >
> > A good way to reduce bug volume would be to make it very clear about
> > the scope of the word "play". That is, what features/actions/events
> > can be expected and which ones are out of scope for this specific
> > instance.
>
>
>  Snkarshan, thank you for pointing this.
>  I've now updated the plan page [1], and tried to describe a little more.
>  Zanata team is not familiar with Fedora Localization activity, and we have
>  to tell them what we want. Ping me and I can make you all admin.
>
>
> >
> > The alternative is to provide a document that lists all possible
> > actions which can be undertaken on this instance. And request bugs
> > only if there is unexpected behavior for those.
> >
> > The period of availability of the Test Instance should have some dates
> > associated eg. From <this date> to <this>
>
>
>  The dates from/to for stage 0 have been set. This is flexible.
>
>
> >
> >> Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance)
> >> Available at: TBA
> >> Period: n/a
> >> * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
> >> every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
> >> team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
> >> translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
> >
> >
> > As above, the list of features/actions/events which can be tested in
> > this instance/deployment would need to be documented.
>
>
>  This would be fully dependable on the result from the test on the test
>  instance. afaik, this instance will be live, and need more inputs and
>  consensus before deployment I guess.
>
>  noriko
>
>
> >
> >
>
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>  trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans 


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[Carlos Munoz]

Hi Zoltan,

TMX import and export is a working feature in Zanata. However, it's a translation
memory import feature and not a project import feature. This means that whatever is
imported will be used to show suggestions when using the Translation memory, but it
won't be offered as a project that can be translated. We won't be able to use it
for data migration purposes.

Regards,

Carlos A. Munoz
Software Engineering Supervisor
Engineering - Internationalization
Red Hat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zoltan Hoppar" <hopparz(a)gmail.com&gt;
To: noriko(a)fedoraproject.org, "Fedora Translation Project List"
<trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:54:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fedora] Plan Stage 0: Move to Zanata

HI,

I have seen TMX file support in Zanata, wich makes it really
interesting - because Transifex ALSO supports that format. What means
this? Well, Transifex can save, export a whole language tree, and if
we can feed it properly with Zanata - it could be a huge
advantage/time saver.

My question is how can we feed it? Is this solution working in Zanata?

Thank you,

Zoltan

2014-07-17 8:43 GMT+02:00 Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  (2014年07月17日 11:58), sankarshan wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
> > <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
> >> Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
> >> Period: 4 weeks
> >> * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
> >> account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
> >> request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
> >> the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
> >> E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
> >
> >
> > A good way to reduce bug volume would be to make it very clear about
> > the scope of the word "play". That is, what features/actions/events
> > can be expected and which ones are out of scope for this specific
> > instance.
>
>
>  Snkarshan, thank you for pointing this.
>  I've now updated the plan page [1], and tried to describe a little more.
>  Zanata team is not familiar with Fedora Localization activity, and we have
>  to tell them what we want. Ping me and I can make you all admin.
>
>
> >
> > The alternative is to provide a document that lists all possible
> > actions which can be undertaken on this instance. And request bugs
> > only if there is unexpected behavior for those.
> >
> > The period of availability of the Test Instance should have some dates
> > associated eg. From <this date> to <this>
>
>
>  The dates from/to for stage 0 have been set. This is flexible.
>
>
> >
> >> Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance)
> >> Available at: TBA
> >> Period: n/a
> >> * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
> >> every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
> >> team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
> >> translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
> >
> >
> > As above, the list of features/actions/events which can be tested in
> > this instance/deployment would need to be documented.
>
>
>  This would be fully dependable on the result from the test on the test
>  instance. afaik, this instance will be live, and need more inputs and
>  consensus before deployment I guess.
>
>  noriko
>
>
> >
> >
>
>  --
>  trans mailing list
>  trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans 


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[Marcelo Barbosa]

Hi,

   How can we translate the Zanata to pt-BR ? When entering [1] we realized
that we don't have access to pt-BR in the Group "Zanata" and in the project
"Zanata server" we need to do some process?

[1]: https://translate.zanata.org/

Thanks,

firemanxbr


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  (This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity
> may
>  impact Infra and websites teams.)
>
>  Hi all translators,
>
>  With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first meetup
>  with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news
>  I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the
>  following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as
>  suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users
>  ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited
>  capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated
>  than pinging on irc.
>  I thank you so much to Zanata team!
>
>  Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
>  Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
>  Period: 4 weeks
>  * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
>  account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
>  request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
>  the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
>  E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
>
>  Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance)
>  Available at: TBA
>  Period: n/a
>  * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
>  every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
>  team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
>  translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
>
>  Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested
>  Available at: TBA
>  Period: n/a
>  * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
>  msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be
>  migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history
>  to be imported (or may be given up).
>
>  [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata
>
>  cheers
>
>  noriko
>  _______________________________________________
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>  infrastructure(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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[Dimitris Glezos]

Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other alternatives?

-d


On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  (This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity
> may
>  impact Infra and websites teams.)
>
>  Hi all translators,
>
>  With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first meetup
>  with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news
>  I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the
>  following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as
>  suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users
>  ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited
>  capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated
>  than pinging on irc.
>  I thank you so much to Zanata team!
>
>  Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
>  Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
>  Period: 4 weeks
>  * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
>  account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
>  request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
>  the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
>  E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
>
>  Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org (FAS only instance)
>  Available at: TBA
>  Period: n/a
>  * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
>  every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
>  team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
>  translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
>
>  Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested
>  Available at: TBA
>  Period: n/a
>  * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
>  msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be
>  migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history
>  to be imported (or may be given up).
>
>  [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata
>
>  cheers
>
>  noriko
>  --
>  websites mailing list
>  websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites 



-- 
Dimitris Glezos
Founder & CEO, Transifex
https://www.transifex.com/

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Hi Dimitris

No, plan atm.
Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the 
MLs so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.

In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full 
support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra 
team for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other 
people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other 
alternatives, unfortunately.

noriko


(2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>  Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other alternatives?
>
>  -d
>
>
>  On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
>  <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      (This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may
>      impact Infra and websites teams.)
>
>      Hi all translators,
>
>      With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first meetup
>      with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the news
>      I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the
>      following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel as
>      suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are zanata-users
>      ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited
>      capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated
>      than pinging on irc.
>      I thank you so much to Zanata team!
>
>      Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
>      Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
>      <http://localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com>
>      Period: 4 weeks
>      * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
>      account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
>      request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
>      the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
>      E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
>
>      Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org>
>      (FAS only instance)
>      Available at: TBA
>      Period: n/a
>      * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported. First
>      every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
>      team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve other
>      translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
>
>      Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested
>      Available at: TBA
>      Period: n/a
>      * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
>      msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be
>      migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history
>      to be imported (or may be given up).
>
>      [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata
>
>      cheers
>
>      noriko
>      --
>      websites mailing list
>      websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
>
>
>
>
>  --
>  Dimitris Glezos
>  Founder & CEO, Transifex
>  https://www.transifex.com/

[Noriko Mizumoto]

OH! no! I am terribly sorry for the top post.

(2014年07月23日 14:10), Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
>  Hi Dimitris
>
>  No, plan atm.
>  Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the
>  MLs so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.
>
>  In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full
>  support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra
>  team for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other
>  people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other
>  alternatives, unfortunately.
>
>  noriko
>
>
>  (2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> >
> > Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other
> > alternatives?
> >
> > -d
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
> > <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >     (This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may
> >     impact Infra and websites teams.)
> >
> >     Hi all translators,
> >
> >     With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first
> > meetup
> >     with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share
> > the news
> >     I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the
> >     following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in
> > parallel as
> >     suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are
> > zanata-users
> >     ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited
> >     capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated
> >     than pinging on irc.
> >     I thank you so much to Zanata team!
> >
> >     Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
> >     Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
> >     <http://localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com>
> >     Period: 4 weeks
> >     * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
> >     account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
> >     request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the
> > beginning of
> >     the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
> >     E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
> >
> >     Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org>
> >     (FAS only instance)
> >     Available at: TBA
> >     Period: n/a
> >     * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported.
> > First
> >     every language coordinator needs to create new account and become
> > your
> >     team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve
> > other
> >     translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
> >
> >     Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested
> >     Available at: TBA
> >     Period: n/a
> >     * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit
> > per
> >     msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be
> >     migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of
> > history
> >     to be imported (or may be given up).
> >
> >     [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata
> >
> >     cheers
> >
> >     noriko
> >     --
> >     websites mailing list
> >     websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >     <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >     https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dimitris Glezos
> > Founder & CEO, Transifex
> > https://www.transifex.com/
>

[Dimitris Glezos]

Noriko, all,

I want to bring this issue up once again. I am quite worried for a
number of things in this migration project:

- The migration project is not approached in a technical way and the
  preparation is all but thorough.  Most specifically, we have not evaluated
  Pootle, which is by far the most popular and well maintained open-source
  L10n platform. We have not reached out to their team to see if they're
  willing to help us with the move.
- We have not compared Zanata with Transifex on a feature-by-feature basis to
  see if there are key features missing and ask whether the Zanata team wants
  to implement them.
- We haven't done any research on what this will cost to Fedora. How is this
  going to affect our developers and translators? What are the success
  metrics?
- We have not really talked to our developers maintaining their software on
  Transifex today to get their feedback on the move. Unless they move
  everything over, and change their integration scripts, this migration will
  fail.
- At which point we'll decide whether to go forward or not?  Finally, we
  haven't even met together as an L10n group with Infrastructure for an IRC
  meeting before going forward.

-d


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Noriko Mizumoto
<noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Hi Dimitris
>
>  No, plan atm.
>  Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the MLs
>  so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.
>
>  In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full
>  support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra team
>  for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other
>  people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other
>  alternatives, unfortunately.
>
>  noriko
>
>
>
>  (2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> >
> >
> > Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other
> > alternatives?
> >
> > -d
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
> > <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >     (This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may
> >     impact Infra and websites teams.)
> >
> >     Hi all translators,
> >
> >     With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first
> > meetup
> >     with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the
> > news
> >     I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the
> >     following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel
> > as
> >     suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are
> > zanata-users
> >     ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited
> >     capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated
> >     than pinging on irc.
> >     I thank you so much to Zanata team!
> >
> >     Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
> >     Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
> >     <http://localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com>
> >
> >     Period: 4 weeks
> >     * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
> >     account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
> >     request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the beginning of
> >     the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
> >     E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
> >
> >     Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org>
> >
> >     (FAS only instance)
> >     Available at: TBA
> >     Period: n/a
> >     * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported.
> > First
> >     every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
> >     team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve
> > other
> >     translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
> >
> >     Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested
> >     Available at: TBA
> >     Period: n/a
> >     * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
> >     msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be
> >     migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history
> >     to be imported (or may be given up).
> >
> >     [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata
> >
> >     cheers
> >
> >     noriko
> >     --
> >     websites mailing list
> >     websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >     <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >
> >     https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dimitris Glezos
> > Founder & CEO, Transifex
> > https://www.transifex.com/
>
>  


-- 
Dimitris Glezos
Founder & CEO, Transifex
http://www.transifex.com/

[Noriko Mizumoto]

(2014年08月19日 19:32), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>  Noriko, all, 
Hi Dimitris, glad to hear from you!

>  I want to bring this issue up once again. I am quite worried for a
>  number of things in this migration project:
>
>  - The migration project is not approached in a technical way and the
>     preparation is all but thorough.  Most specifically, we have not evaluated
>     Pootle, which is by far the most popular and well maintained open-source
>     L10n platform. We have not reached out to their team to see if they're
>     willing to help us with the move. 
If you can reach them and find a possibility that they can support us, 
it would be best and we can compare with Zanata. However considering all 
the resource currently Zanata team is providing to FLP, it does not 
sound realistic to me that Pootle team can provide same amount of time 
and resource.

>  - We have not compared Zanata with Transifex on a feature-by-feature
> basis to
>     see if there are key features missing and ask whether the Zanata team wants
>     to implement them. 
I see this is minor concern with two facts.
One, I have been asking all translators to file a bug as RFE. So far 
there are a few bugs filed and none of them is refused or closed as not 
fixed, but those are addressed in a proactive way.
Two, We have already been using Zanata with some projects, and I have 
not heard serious complain.

>  - We haven't done any research on what this will cost to Fedora.
> How is this
>     going to affect our developers and translators? What are the success
>     metrics? 
Sorry I am not sure what is referred as cost here.
For translators, we will be able to have ONE interface to deal with all 
(well, prob most of all) packages and documentations for Fedora without 
going back and force btw two interfaces. I see this is success.

>  - We have not really talked to our developers maintaining their
> software on
>     Transifex today to get their feedback on the move. Unless they move
>     everything over, and change their integration scripts, this migration will
>     fail. 
I have added myself in admin list of trans at lists, so that will be 
able to respond them quicker in the future.

>  - At which point we'll decide whether to go forward or not? 
> Finally, we
>     haven't even met together as an L10n group with Infrastructure for an IRC
>     meeting before going forward. 
Thanks for pointing this out!
Probably, at the end of Stage0 (testing period), we should be able to 
decide. Due to my limited knowledge, I'm  not sure what kind of 
information to give out to Infrastructure team, what topic/issue to 
discuss with. Could you give me a hand here?

Many thanks

noriko

>  -d
>
>
>  On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Noriko Mizumoto
>  <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > Hi Dimitris
> >
> > No, plan atm.
> > Other than zanata and translatewiki, no alternate has been named on the MLs
> > so far, while I see there are a number of people supporting Zanata.
> >
> > In terms of resource availability, Zanata team comes up and offers full
> > support on this move. There is no allocatable resource for FLP on Inra team
> > for a while. I understand it is good, but I can't see any other
> > people/resource available for evaluating Pootle or for researching other
> > alternatives, unfortunately.
> >
> > noriko
> >
> >
> >
> > (2014年07月23日 01:44), Dimitris Glezos wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Noriko, do you plan to also evaluate Pootle or research other
> >> alternatives?
> >>
> >> -d
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Noriko Mizumoto
> >> <noriko(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>
> >>      (This mail is cc'd to Infra and websites teams as this activity may
> >>      impact Infra and websites teams.)
> >>
> >>      Hi all translators,
> >>
> >>      With all suggestions/ideas/info posted by all of you, I had first
> >> meetup
> >>      with zanata team to draft a plan to start with. I like to share the
> >> news
> >>      I got from zanata team here. I will update the plan page with the
> >>      following information later tomorrow. The move will occur in parallel
> >> as
> >>      suggested. The communication channels with zanata team are
> >> zanata-users
> >>      ML [1] and #zanata channel on freenode. Due to the limited
> >>      capacity/resource of zanata team, posting to ML would be appreciated
> >>      than pinging on irc.
> >>      I thank you so much to Zanata team!
> >>
> >>      Stage 0 - Establish Test Instance on Openshift
> >>      Available at: localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com
> >>      <http://localized-zanatatest.itos.redhat.com>
> >>
> >>      Period: 4 weeks
> >>      * This is trial run. Log in with FAS account and create new zanata
> >>      account, and play. It is important to be loud and file a bug for any
> >>      request [1]. Please make sure to append "[Fedora]" at the
> beginning of
> >>      the subject. This will give a bug priority ;p
> >>      E.g. [Fedora] Organization feature is needed.
> >>
> >>      Stage 1 - Establish fedora.zanata.org <http://fedora.zanata.org>
> >>
> >>      (FAS only instance)
> >>      Available at: TBA
> >>      Period: n/a
> >>      * This will contain only essential items, no history is imported.
> >> First
> >>      every language coordinator needs to create new account and become your
> >>      team coordinator. And then the coordinators will help and approve
> >> other
> >>      translators to join. Note, there is no auto or transparent migration.
> >>
> >>      Stage 2 - Import history and Add features requested
> >>      Available at: TBA
> >>      Period: n/a
> >>      * History (such as reviewed marks, notification, translator credit per
> >>      msg) and any additional feature requested (and approved) will be
> >>      migrated. It is essential to evaluate and decide what level of history
> >>      to be imported (or may be given up).
> >>
> >>      [1]:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Zanata
> >>
> >>      cheers
> >>
> >>      noriko
> >>      --
> >>      websites mailing list
> >>      websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>      <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>
> >>      https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dimitris Glezos
> >> Founder & CEO, Transifex
> >> https://www.transifex.com/
> >
> >
>
>
>