Desired update of getfedora.org string

[Göran Uddeborg]

In the po file for translating getfedora.org there is a message:

  There's more to

On the web page, this is followed by the Fedora logotype as an image.
Effectively, the logotype becomes the final word in the sentence.

The most natural translation of this to Swedish would start with the
word fedora.  I made a trac request to have this message changed to
include the reference to the logotype.  See

  https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/365

"Robyduck" answered and was a bit concerned that this meant all teams
would have to update their translations.  In my opinion, it is worth
it.  The translations could become more correct.  Do you agree with
me, fellow translators, this is something we want?

[Máximo Castañeda]

2015-12-01 15:51 GMT+01:00 Göran Uddeborg <goeran(a)uddeborg.se&gt;:
>  In the po file for translating getfedora.org there is a message:
>
>    There's more to
>
>  On the web page, this is followed by the Fedora logotype as an image.
>  Effectively, the logotype becomes the final word in the sentence.
>
>  The most natural translation of this to Swedish would start with the
>  word fedora.  I made a trac request to have this message changed to
>  include the reference to the logotype.  See
>
>    https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/365
>
>  "Robyduck" answered and was a bit concerned that this meant all teams
>  would have to update their translations.  In my opinion, it is worth
>  it.  The translations could become more correct.  Do you agree with
>  me, fellow translators, this is something we want? 

It's not an issue as it is for Spanish, as the image-word happens to
be where it should with the chosen translation.  But I do agree that
the strings should be full sentences if possible, so +1 for the
change.  Not only that, but I also think that the alt text for that
image should be "fedora" or "Fedora", not "fedora logo", and
that it
should be kept in the change.

Also, note to self: be more careful with this stuff. I hadn't noticed
that string as problematic, and there may be more.

Regarding the "difficult" string with most of it being an image tag
with attributes that should not be translated, well, there are other
-maybe easier- strings with tags.  And po files accept comments to
help translators, automatically extracted when generating the pot (at
least in some programming languages, I don't know for sure in whatever
they are using).  And we have already been warned in this thread and
that ticket.  And he'll surely tell us again when he announces the
change to the list.  And maybe he can use an xml entity to hide that
all so that we just see "There\'s more to &RUNNINGIMAGEOFFEDORANAME;."

So the only issue I can see is that any change would mean that those
that now have the string translated will have to retranslate or go
back to English there.  Shouldn't a notice to the list and maybe a
week or two be enough for that?  I'm quite new here.  I know I would
notice and translate the new string, but I don't know about resources
for other, maybe smaller locales.

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 01/12/2015 21:10, Máximo Castañeda a écrit :
>  2015-12-01 15:51 GMT+01:00 Göran Uddeborg
> <goeran(a)uddeborg.se&gt;:
> > In the po file for translating getfedora.org there is a message:
> >
> >    There's more to
> >
> > On the web page, this is followed by the Fedora logotype as an image.
> > Effectively, the logotype becomes the final word in the sentence.
> >
> > The most natural translation of this to Swedish would start with the
> > word fedora.  I made a trac request to have this message changed to
> > include the reference to the logotype.  See
> >
> >    https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/365
> >
> > "Robyduck" answered and was a bit concerned that this meant all teams
> > would have to update their translations.  In my opinion, it is worth
> > it.  The translations could become more correct.  Do you agree with
> > me, fellow translators, this is something we want?
>
>  It's not an issue as it is for Spanish, as the image-word happens to
>  be where it should with the chosen translation.  But I do agree that
>  the strings should be full sentences if possible, so +1 for the
>  change.  Not only that, but I also think that the alt text for that
>  image should be "fedora" or "Fedora", not "fedora logo",
> and that it
>  should be kept in the change.
>
>  Also, note to self: be more careful with this stuff. I hadn't noticed
>  that string as problematic, and there may be more.
>
>  Regarding the "difficult" string with most of it being an image tag
>  with attributes that should not be translated, well, there are other
>  -maybe easier- strings with tags.  And po files accept comments to
>  help translators, automatically extracted when generating the pot (at
>  least in some programming languages, I don't know for sure in whatever
>  they are using).  And we have already been warned in this thread and
>  that ticket.  And he'll surely tell us again when he announces the
>  change to the list.  And maybe he can use an xml entity to hide that
>  all so that we just see "There\'s more to &RUNNINGIMAGEOFFEDORANAME;."
>
>  So the only issue I can see is that any change would mean that those
>  that now have the string translated will have to retranslate or go
>  back to English there.  Shouldn't a notice to the list and maybe a
>  week or two be enough for that?  I'm quite new here.  I know I would
>  notice and translate the new string, but I don't know about resources
>  for other, maybe smaller locales.
>  --
>  trans mailing list
>  trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail] 
Same
problem in French translation.

Can we plan a code push in a few days, maybee after the week-end ?
The 6th or 7th of december so everybody can take the opportunity to make 
a more global review ?


-- 
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft

[Robert Mayr]

2015-12-02 8:29 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr&gt;:

>  Le 01/12/2015 21:10, Máximo Castañeda a écrit :
>
> > 2015-12-01 15:51 GMT+01:00 Göran Uddeborg <goeran(a)uddeborg.se&gt;:
> >
> >> In the po file for translating getfedora.org there is a message:
> >>
> >>    There's more to
> >>
> >> On the web page, this is followed by the Fedora logotype as an image.
> >> Effectively, the logotype becomes the final word in the sentence.
> >>
> >> The most natural translation of this to Swedish would start with the
> >> word fedora.  I made a trac request to have this message changed to
> >> include the reference to the logotype.  See
> >>
> >>    https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/365
> >>
> >> "Robyduck" answered and was a bit concerned that this meant all teams
> >> would have to update their translations.  In my opinion, it is worth
> >> it.  The translations could become more correct.  Do you agree with
> >> me, fellow translators, this is something we want?
> >>
> >
> > It's not an issue as it is for Spanish, as the image-word happens to
> > be where it should with the chosen translation.  But I do agree that
> > the strings should be full sentences if possible, so +1 for the
> > change.  Not only that, but I also think that the alt text for that
> > image should be "fedora" or "Fedora", not "fedora
> logo", and that it
> > should be kept in the change.
> >
> > Also, note to self: be more careful with this stuff. I hadn't noticed
> > that string as problematic, and there may be more.
> >
> > Regarding the "difficult" string with most of it being an image tag
> > with attributes that should not be translated, well, there are other
> > -maybe easier- strings with tags.  And po files accept comments to
> > help translators, automatically extracted when generating the pot (at
> > least in some programming languages, I don't know for sure in whatever
> > they are using).  And we have already been warned in this thread and
> > that ticket.  And he'll surely tell us again when he announces the
> > change to the list.  And maybe he can use an xml entity to hide that
> > all so that we just see "There\'s more to
> &RUNNINGIMAGEOFFEDORANAME;."
> >
> > So the only issue I can see is that any change would mean that those
> > that now have the string translated will have to retranslate or go
> > back to English there.  Shouldn't a notice to the list and maybe a
> > week or two be enough for that?  I'm quite new here.  I know I would
> > notice and translate the new string, but I don't know about resources
> > for other, maybe smaller locales.
> > --
> > trans mailing list
> > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >
>  Same problem in French translation.
>
>  Can we plan a code push in a few days, maybee after the week-end ?
>  The 6th or 7th of december so everybody can take the opportunity to make a
>  more global review ?
>
>
>  --
>  Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
>
>  --
>  trans mailing list
>  trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>  
Yes if you want I can push this friday, so people can update the string
over the weekend which in some countries is a long one.
I'll also see if we can add comments for trickier strings, the actual setup
doesn't permit it.
Thank you for your feedback.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Robert Mayr]

2015-12-02 13:33 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  2015-12-02 8:29 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste
> <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr&gt;:
>
> >
> > Le 01/12/2015 21:10, Máximo Castañeda a écrit :
> >
> >> 2015-12-01 15:51 GMT+01:00 Göran Uddeborg <goeran(a)uddeborg.se&gt;:
> >>
> >>> In the po file for translating getfedora.org there is a message:
> >>>
> >>>    There's more to
> >>>
> >>> On the web page, this is followed by the Fedora logotype as an image.
> >>> Effectively, the logotype becomes the final word in the sentence.
> >>>
> >>> The most natural translation of this to Swedish would start with the
> >>> word fedora.  I made a trac request to have this message changed to
> >>> include the reference to the logotype.  See
> >>>
> >>>    https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/365
> >>>
> >>> "Robyduck" answered and was a bit concerned that this meant all
> teams
> >>> would have to update their translations.  In my opinion, it is worth
> >>> it.  The translations could become more correct.  Do you agree with
> >>> me, fellow translators, this is something we want?
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's not an issue as it is for Spanish, as the image-word happens to
> >> be where it should with the chosen translation.  But I do agree that
> >> the strings should be full sentences if possible, so +1 for the
> >> change.  Not only that, but I also think that the alt text for that
> >> image should be "fedora" or "Fedora", not "fedora
> logo", and that it
> >> should be kept in the change.
> >>
> >> Also, note to self: be more careful with this stuff. I hadn't noticed
> >> that string as problematic, and there may be more.
> >>
> >> Regarding the "difficult" string with most of it being an image tag
> >> with attributes that should not be translated, well, there are other
> >> -maybe easier- strings with tags.  And po files accept comments to
> >> help translators, automatically extracted when generating the pot (at
> >> least in some programming languages, I don't know for sure in whatever
> >> they are using).  And we have already been warned in this thread and
> >> that ticket.  And he'll surely tell us again when he announces the
> >> change to the list.  And maybe he can use an xml entity to hide that
> >> all so that we just see "There\'s more to
> &RUNNINGIMAGEOFFEDORANAME;."
> >>
> >> So the only issue I can see is that any change would mean that those
> >> that now have the string translated will have to retranslate or go
> >> back to English there.  Shouldn't a notice to the list and maybe a
> >> week or two be enough for that?  I'm quite new here.  I know I would
> >> notice and translate the new string, but I don't know about resources
> >> for other, maybe smaller locales.
> >> --
> >> trans mailing list
> >> trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >>
> > Same problem in French translation.
> >
> > Can we plan a code push in a few days, maybee after the week-end ?
> > The 6th or 7th of december so everybody can take the opportunity to make
> > a more global review ?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> >
> > --
> > trans mailing list
> > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
> >
>
>  Yes if you want I can push this friday, so people can update the string
>  over the weekend which in some countries is a long one.
>  I'll also see if we can add comments for trickier strings, the actual
>  setup doesn't permit it.
>  Thank you for your feedback.
>
>  --
>  Robert Mayr
>  (robyduck)
>  

Pushed. Thank you again.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Piotr Drąg]

2015-12-04 14:38 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Pushed. Thank you again.
>  
Hi Robert,

I see that you also pushed new strings for Atomic images. I think the
ones with links in them are not getting properly internationalized - I
can't find them on Zanata.

Best regards,

-- 
Piotr Drąg
http://raven.fedorapeople.org/

[Piotr Drąg]

2015-12-05 17:47 GMT+01:00 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  2015-12-04 14:38 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr
> <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> > Pushed. Thank you again.
> >
>
>  Hi Robert,
>
>  I see that you also pushed new strings for Atomic images. I think the
>  ones with links in them are not getting properly internationalized - I
>  can't find them on Zanata.
>  
I've just noticed that "days ago" is not translatable as well. Is it
possible to use plural handling for this string?

https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Plurals

Best regards,

-- 
Piotr Drąg
http://raven.fedorapeople.org/

[Robert Mayr]

2015-12-05 17:49 GMT+01:00 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  2015-12-05 17:47 GMT+01:00 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  > 2015-12-04 14:38 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  >> Pushed. Thank you again.
>  >>
>  >
>  > Hi Robert,
>  >
>  > I see that you also pushed new strings for Atomic images. I think the
>  > ones with links in them are not getting properly internationalized - I
>  > can't find them on Zanata.
>  >
>
>  I've just noticed that "days ago" is not translatable as well. Is it
>  possible to use plural handling for this string?
>
>  https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Plurals
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  --
>  Piotr Drąg
>  http://raven.fedorapeople.org/
>  

Yeah, I know, if we have images built yesterday the sentence will be
incorrect, because it will say "1 days ago".
We should probably think to localize this part directly in the script
itself, I'll do some testing.
If you have an idea feel free to file a patch ;)

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Robert Mayr]

Il 05/dic/2015 05:47 PM, "Piotr Drąg" <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt; ha scritto:
>  2015-12-04 14:38 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  > Pushed. Thank you again.
>  >
>
>  Hi Robert,
>
>  I see that you also pushed new strings for Atomic images. I think the
>  ones with links in them are not getting properly internationalized - I
>  can't find them on Zanata.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  --
>  Piotr Drąg
>  http://raven.fedorapeople.org/ 
Yes I did. We switched to the two week atomic images.
Sorry if this happened, I'll get at it asap and will add here a comment
when I push them again.
Thanks.

[Robert Mayr]

2015-12-05 18:37 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  Il 05/dic/2015 05:47 PM, "Piotr Drąg" <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt; ha scritto:
>  >
>  > 2015-12-04 14:38 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  > > Pushed. Thank you again.
>  > >
>  >
>  > Hi Robert,
>  >
>  > I see that you also pushed new strings for Atomic images. I think the
>  > ones with links in them are not getting properly internationalized - I
>  > can't find them on Zanata.
>  >
>  > Best regards,
>  >
>  > --
>  > Piotr Drąg
>  > http://raven.fedorapeople.org/
>
>  Yes I did. We switched to the two week atomic images.
>  Sorry if this happened, I'll get at it asap and will add here a comment
>  when I push them again.
>  Thanks.
>  
Should be fixed and up now ;)
I saw another issue there, but to fix it I need to change the scripts a
bit. The 'x days ago' part in the two weeks message is still in english,
because it's produced by the script.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Robert Mayr]

2015-12-05 23:17 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  2015-12-05 18:37 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr
> <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>
> >
> > Il 05/dic/2015 05:47 PM, "Piotr Drąg" <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt; ha
> scritto:
> > >
> > > 2015-12-04 14:38 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> > > > Pushed. Thank you again.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Robert,
> > >
> > > I see that you also pushed new strings for Atomic images. I think the
> > > ones with links in them are not getting properly internationalized - I
> > > can't find them on Zanata.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Piotr Drąg
> > > http://raven.fedorapeople.org/
> >
> > Yes I did. We switched to the two week atomic images.
> > Sorry if this happened, I'll get at it asap and will add here a comment
> > when I push them again.
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>  Should be fixed and up now ;)
>  I saw another issue there, but to fix it I need to change the scripts a
>  bit. The 'x days ago' part in the two weeks message is still in english,
>  because it's produced by the script.
>
>  --
>  Robert Mayr
>  (robyduck)
>  
Ok, script should also be better now. Please tell me if something still is
not as desired.
Thanks.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Piotr Drąg]

2015-12-05 23:45 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> > Should be fixed and up now ;)
> > I saw another issue there, but to fix it I need to change the scripts a
> > bit. The 'x days ago' part in the two weeks message is still in english,
> > because it's produced by the script.
> >
>  Ok, script should also be better now. Please tell me if something still is
>  not as desired.
>  Thanks.
>  
Looks much better, but the string in
<https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fedora-web.git/tree/getfedora.org/data/...
is still untranslatable, as well as all of these strings in their
"prereleases" versions.

Best regards,

-- 
Piotr Drąg
http://raven.fedorapeople.org/

[Robert Mayr]

2015-12-06 0:07 GMT+01:00 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  2015-12-05 23:45 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr
> <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  >> Should be fixed and up now ;)
>  >> I saw another issue there, but to fix it I need to change the scripts a
>  >> bit. The 'x days ago' part in the two weeks message is still in
> english,
>  >> because it's produced by the script.
>  >>
>  > Ok, script should also be better now. Please tell me if something still
>  is
>  > not as desired.
>  > Thanks.
>  >
>
>  Looks much better, but the string in
>  <
>
> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fedora-web.git/tree/getfedora.org/data/...
>  >
>  is still untranslatable, as well as all of these strings in their
>  "prereleases" versions.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  --
>  Piotr Drąg
>  http://raven.fedorapeople.org/
>  

Well yes, these strings are not used for now and we don't know if we need
them in the near future. For now the two weeks images are for stable
releases only.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Piotr Drąg]

2015-12-06 15:36 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> > Looks much better, but the string in
> >
> <https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fedora-web.git/tree/getfedora.org/data/...
> > is still untranslatable, as well as all of these strings in their
> > "prereleases" versions.
> >
>  Well yes, these strings are not used for now and we don't know if we need
>  them in the near future. For now the two weeks images are for stable
>  releases only.
>  
I was forward-thinking. :) So this is the last untranslatable string
on stable release pages:

'Please test before using new versions in production. If you do
discover a problem, the Atomic tools make it easy to flip back to an
earlier release — and if that happens, please also help us by &lt;a
href="%s"&gt;filing bugs&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a
href="%s"&gt;submitting
fixes&lt;/a&gt;.'

Best regards,

-- 
Piotr Drąg
http://raven.fedorapeople.org/

[Robert Mayr]

2015-12-06 17:39 GMT+01:00 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  2015-12-06 15:36 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr
> <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  >> Looks much better, but the string in
>  >> <
>
> https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fedora-web.git/tree/getfedora.org/data/...
>  >
>  >> is still untranslatable, as well as all of these strings in their
>  >> "prereleases" versions.
>  >>
>  > Well yes, these strings are not used for now and we don't know if we need
>  > them in the near future. For now the two weeks images are for stable
>  > releases only.
>  >
>
>  I was forward-thinking. :) So this is the last untranslatable string
>  on stable release pages:
>
>  'Please test before using new versions in production. If you do
>  discover a problem, the Atomic tools make it easy to flip back to an
>  earlier release — and if that happens, please also help us by &lt;a
>  href="%s"&gt;filing bugs&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a
> href="%s"&gt;submitting
>  fixes&lt;/a&gt;.'
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  --
>  Piotr Drąg
>  http://raven.fedorapeople.org/
>  
This string should be also fixed now.
Cheers.

-- 
Robert Mayr
(robyduck)

[Piotr Drąg]

2015-12-07 23:54 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr <robyduck(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  2015-12-06 17:39 GMT+01:00 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> > I was forward-thinking. :) So this is the last untranslatable string
> > on stable release pages:
> >
> > 'Please test before using new versions in production. If you do
> > discover a problem, the Atomic tools make it easy to flip back to an
> > earlier release — and if that happens, please also help us by &lt;a
> > href="%s"&gt;filing bugs&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a
> href="%s"&gt;submitting
> > fixes&lt;/a&gt;.'
> >
>  This string should be also fixed now.
>  Cheers.
>  
Thanks a lot for taking care of this!

Best regards,

-- 
Piotr Drąg
http://raven.fedorapeople.org/

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 11:45:10PM +0100, Robert Mayr wrote:
>  Ok, script should also be better now. Please tell me if something
>  still is not as desired. 
Thanks for doing this!

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader