Using Anaconda on my language

[Valentin Laskov]

Hi all!

I can't find document (wiki or docs) where Fedora installation using Anaconda on the
prefered by user language is described. 
Anaconda offers keyboard changing but not language.
Can you point me such document?

IMHO keyboard changing in Anaconda is not good idea especially in the not latin world.

Regards
Valentin Laskov

[Domingo Becker]

2011/11/30 Valentin Laskov <laskov(a)festa.bg&gt;:
>  Hi all!
>
>  I can't find document (wiki or docs) where Fedora installation using Anaconda on the
> prefered by user language is described. 
It should be in section 9.2 of Fedora Installation Guide, but it seems
there is no screenshot for the language selection screen. [1]

>  Anaconda offers keyboard changing but not language. 
Unless you are doing something different than the recommended steps in
the installation guide, the language selection screen should be
displayed before the keyboard selection screen shown in section 9.3
[2].

I tested it with F16 i386 and x86_64 DVDs.

[1]
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/s1-...

[2]
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/sn-...

kind regards

Domingo Becker

[Miloš Komarčević]

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Domingo Becker <domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Unless you are doing something different than the recommended steps
> in
>  the installation guide, the language selection screen should be
>  displayed before the keyboard selection screen shown in section 9.3
>  [2].
>
>  I tested it with F16 i386 and x86_64 DVDs. 
I can confirm there is no language selection when installing from Live
media (and never was in past releases either).

M

[Kévin Raymond]

fist of all Anaconda is in a complete redisign process.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Miloš Komarčević <kmilos(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Domingo Becker
> <domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > Unless you are doing something different than the recommended steps in
> > the installation guide, the language selection screen should be
> > displayed before the keyboard selection screen shown in section 9.3
> > [2].
> >
> > I tested it with F16 i386 and x86_64 DVDs.
>
>  I can confirm there is no language selection when installing from Live
>  media (and never was in past releases either). 

Using the Live installation, you first need to select your language on
the upper right GNOME system-settings pannel, then you'll get the
installation process in your language. using liveinstall, it will ask
you again in which language it should install, that'll be used further
by Anaconda (next reboot).


-- 
Kévin Raymond
User:shaiton
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

[Valentin Laskov]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kévin Raymond" <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
| On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Miloš Komarčević <kmilos(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
| > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Domingo Becker <domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt;
wrote:
| >> Unless you are doing something different than the recommended steps in
| >> the installation guide, the language selection screen should be
| >> displayed before the keyboard selection screen shown in section 9.3
| >> [2].
| >>
| >> I tested it with F16 i386 and x86_64 DVDs.
| >
| > I can confirm there is no language selection when installing from Live
| > media (and never was in past releases either).
|
| Using the Live installation, you first need to select your language on
| the upper right GNOME system-settings pannel, then you'll get the
| installation process in your language. using liveinstall, it will ask
| you again in which language it should install, that'll be used further
| by Anaconda (next reboot).

The steps I do are
1. Boot from Live Image
2. Select language from Gnome system-settings
3. Logout
4. Login
5. It ask me to rename some directories - Yes, rename them
6. Install on hard disk
7. Select US English keyboard layout
... after installation and login in the newly installed system add Bulgarian keyboard
but theese steps are not discribed anywhere

Valentin Laskov

[Domingo Becker]

2011/11/30 Valentin Laskov <laskov(a)festa.bg&gt;:
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Kévin Raymond" <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  | On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Miloš Komarčević <kmilos(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  | > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Domingo Becker <domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  | >> Unless you are doing something different than the recommended steps in
>  | >> the installation guide, the language selection screen should be
>  | >> displayed before the keyboard selection screen shown in section 9.3
>  | >> [2].
>  | >>
>  | >> I tested it with F16 i386 and x86_64 DVDs.
>  | >
>  | > I can confirm there is no language selection when installing from Live
>  | > media (and never was in past releases either).
>  |
>  | Using the Live installation, you first need to select your language on
>  | the upper right GNOME system-settings pannel, then you'll get the
>  | installation process in your language. using liveinstall, it will ask
>  | you again in which language it should install, that'll be used further
>  | by Anaconda (next reboot).
>
>  The steps I do are
>  1. Boot from Live Image
>  2. Select language from Gnome system-settings
>  3. Logout
>  4. Login
>  5. It ask me to rename some directories - Yes, rename them
>  6. Install on hard disk
>  7. Select US English keyboard layout
>  ... after installation and login in the newly installed system add Bulgarian keyboard
>  but theese steps are not discribed anywhere
>  
You may need to file a bug report against install-guide in Fedora
Documentation to ask the writers to improve this.

kind regards

Domingo Becker

[Kévin Raymond]

> > The steps I do are
> > 1. Boot from Live Image
> > 2. Select language from Gnome system-settings
> > 3. Logout
> > 4. Login
> > 5. It ask me to rename some directories - Yes, rename them
> > 6. Install on hard disk
> > 7. Select US English keyboard layout
> > ... after installation and login in the newly installed system add Bulgarian
> keyboard
> > but theese steps are not discribed anywhere
> >
>
>  You may need to file a bug report against install-guide in Fedora
>  Documentation to ask the writers to improve this.
>
>  kind regards 

I think we should always ask first the language… (or display it)
Fedora is well translated, there is no point to hide that.


-- 
Kévin Raymond
User:shaiton
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

[Domingo Becker]

2011/11/30 Kévin Raymond <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> >> The steps I do are
> >> 1. Boot from Live Image
> >> 2. Select language from Gnome system-settings
> >> 3. Logout
> >> 4. Login
> >> 5. It ask me to rename some directories - Yes, rename them
> >> 6. Install on hard disk
> >> 7. Select US English keyboard layout
> >> ... after installation and login in the newly installed system add Bulgarian
> keyboard
> >> but theese steps are not discribed anywhere
> >>
> >
> > You may need to file a bug report against install-guide in Fedora
> > Documentation to ask the writers to improve this.
> >
> > kind regards
>
>
>  I think we should always ask first the language… (or display it)
>  Fedora is well translated, there is no point to hide that.
>  
A bug report against anaconda too.

[Jorge Lopes]

I think i'ts a very good idea to open this bugs. We have done a very good
job in translations in most of the languages, there is no reason for do not
make it easier to use.

cheers.
Jorge

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Domingo Becker <domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  2011/11/30 Kévin Raymond <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  >>> The steps I do are
>  >>> 1. Boot from Live Image
>  >>> 2. Select language from Gnome system-settings
>  >>> 3. Logout
>  >>> 4. Login
>  >>> 5. It ask me to rename some directories - Yes, rename them
>  >>> 6. Install on hard disk
>  >>> 7. Select US English keyboard layout
>  >>> ... after installation and login in the newly installed system add
>  Bulgarian keyboard
>  >>> but theese steps are not discribed anywhere
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >> You may need to file a bug report against install-guide in Fedora
>  >> Documentation to ask the writers to improve this.
>  >>
>  >> kind regards
>  >
>  >
>  > I think we should always ask first the language… (or display it)
>  > Fedora is well translated, there is no point to hide that.
>  >
>
>  A bug report against anaconda too.
>  --
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>  


-- 
Jorge Lopes Rodrigues
Técnico em informática
Graduando em Engenharia Elétrica

[Valentin Laskov]

OK, I will file theese bugs.
There was no comments for theese install steps below. I suppose you are 
agree they to be documented for this version of Anaconda. If not please 
write your comments.

Thank you!
Valentin Laskov

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Lopes" <jlrmoc(a)gmail.com&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:07 PM


> I think i'ts a very good idea to open this bugs. We have done a
> very good
> job in translations in most of the languages, there is no reason for do not
> make it easier to use.
>
> cheers.
> Jorge
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Domingo Becker 
> <domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:
>
>  2011/11/30 Kévin Raymond <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  >>> The steps I do are
>  >>> 1. Boot from Live Image
>  >>> 2. Select language from Gnome system-settings
>  >>> 3. Logout
>  >>> 4. Login
>  >>> 5. It ask me to rename some directories - Yes, rename them
>  >>> 6. Install on hard disk
>  >>> 7. Select US English keyboard layout
>  >>> ... after installation and login in the newly installed system add
>  Bulgarian keyboard
>  >>> but theese steps are not discribed anywhere
>  >>>
>  >>
>  >> You may need to file a bug report against install-guide in Fedora
>  >> Documentation to ask the writers to improve this.
>  >>
>  >> kind regards
>  >
>  >
>  > I think we should always ask first the language… (or display it)
>  > Fedora is well translated, there is no point to hide that.
>  >
>
>  A bug report against anaconda too.

[Valentin Laskov]

Adding of Choose language dialog in Anaconda was refused and bug was 
reassigned to Documentation Project:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=758875



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Valentin Laskov" <laskov(a)festa.bg&gt;
To: "Fedora Translation Project List" <trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Using Anaconda on my language


| OK, I will file theese bugs.
| There was no comments for theese install steps below. I suppose you are
| agree they to be documented for this version of Anaconda. If not please
| write your comments.
|
| Thank you!
| Valentin Laskov
|
| ----- Original Message ----- 
| From: "Jorge Lopes" <jlrmoc(a)gmail.com&gt;
| Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:07 PM
|
|
| >I think i'ts a very good idea to open this bugs. We have done a very good
| >job in translations in most of the languages, there is no reason for do 
not
| >make it easier to use.
| >
| >cheers.
| >Jorge
| >
| >On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Domingo Becker
| &gt;&lt;domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:
| >
| > 2011/11/30 Kévin Raymond <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
| > >>> The steps I do are
| > >>> 1. Boot from Live Image
| > >>> 2. Select language from Gnome system-settings
| > >>> 3. Logout
| > >>> 4. Login
| > >>> 5. It ask me to rename some directories - Yes, rename them
| > >>> 6. Install on hard disk
| > >>> 7. Select US English keyboard layout
| > >>> ... after installation and login in the newly installed system add
| > Bulgarian keyboard
| > >>> but theese steps are not discribed anywhere
| > >>>
| > >>
| > >> You may need to file a bug report against install-guide in Fedora
| > >> Documentation to ask the writers to improve this.
| > >>
| > >> kind regards
| > >
| > >
| > > I think we should always ask first the language… (or display it)
| > > Fedora is well translated, there is no point to hide that.
| > >
| >
| > A bug report against anaconda too.
|
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| trans mailing list
| trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans

[Valentin Laskov]

Hi!
there was a feature in Fedora 13 and 14 Live Image to choose language before live user
login and the language change take effect 
immediately. In Fedora 15 this feature was removed.
Can you confirm?

If yes, I think bug must be against "before login".

Valentin Laskov


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Domingo Becker" <domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt;
To: "Fedora Translation Project List" <trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Using Anaconda on my language


| 2011/11/30 Valentin Laskov <laskov(a)festa.bg&gt;:
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Kévin Raymond" <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
| > | On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Miloš Komarčević <kmilos(a)gmail.com&gt;
wrote:
| > | > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Domingo Becker
<domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
| > | >> Unless you are doing something different than the recommended steps in
| > | >> the installation guide, the language selection screen should be
| > | >> displayed before the keyboard selection screen shown in section 9.3
| > | >> [2].
| > | >>
| > | >> I tested it with F16 i386 and x86_64 DVDs.
| > | >
| > | > I can confirm there is no language selection when installing from Live
| > | > media (and never was in past releases either).
| > |
| > | Using the Live installation, you first need to select your language on
| > | the upper right GNOME system-settings pannel, then you'll get the
| > | installation process in your language. using liveinstall, it will ask
| > | you again in which language it should install, that'll be used further
| > | by Anaconda (next reboot).
| >
| > The steps I do are
| > 1. Boot from Live Image
| > 2. Select language from Gnome system-settings
| > 3. Logout
| > 4. Login
| > 5. It ask me to rename some directories - Yes, rename them
| > 6. Install on hard disk
| > 7. Select US English keyboard layout
| > ... after installation and login in the newly installed system add Bulgarian
keyboard
| > but theese steps are not discribed anywhere
| >
|
| You may need to file a bug report against install-guide in Fedora
| Documentation to ask the writers to improve this.
|
| kind regards
|
| Domingo Becker
| --
| trans mailing list
| trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans

[Domingo Becker]

2011/12/1 Valentin Laskov <laskov(a)festa.bg&gt;:
>  Hi!
>  there was a feature in Fedora 13 and 14 Live Image to choose language before live user
> login and the language change take effect
>  immediately. In Fedora 15 this feature was removed.
>  Can you confirm?
>
>  If yes, I think bug must be against "before login".
>  
Those bug reports exist.

For login language:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681750

For keyboard layout:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=752998

k.r.

Domingo Becker