Zanata Update

[Brian (bex) Exelbierd]

Hi All,

Based on the request in the last i10n meeting, I have been checking
into the status of Zanata to get us a definitive answer as we make our
plans.  Here is that answer:

Zanata no longer has a functioning upstream and is on "ping and power"
level life support to keep our instance running.  At this time there
is no reason to believe the project will become viable so we need to
consider where we want to host our translation in the future.

Ping and power support means that someone keeps the machine turned on
and will restart it if it fails. They will not patch, upgrade or fix
the software.

I support us moving our translation platform and updating our
processes to make participation easier where appropriate.

regards,

bex
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[Frau Silvia Sánchez]

Hi all

Is there any suggestions of a new platform that would fit our workflow and
requirements?  I'm sorry if this has been said somewhere else, but I only
remember discussing this subject without getting to a conclusion, and I'm
not very acquainted with translation platforms.

Kind regards,
Silvia
FAS:  Lailah




On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 16:28, Brian (bex) Exelbierd <bexelbie(a)redhat.com&gt;
wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
>  Based on the request in the last i10n meeting, I have been checking
>  into the status of Zanata to get us a definitive answer as we make our
>  plans.  Here is that answer:
>
>  Zanata no longer has a functioning upstream and is on "ping and power"
>  level life support to keep our instance running.  At this time there
>  is no reason to believe the project will become viable so we need to
>  consider where we want to host our translation in the future.
>
>  Ping and power support means that someone keeps the machine turned on
>  and will restart it if it fails. They will not patch, upgrade or fix
>  the software.
>
>  I support us moving our translation platform and updating our
>  processes to make participation easier where appropriate.
>
>  regards,
>
>  bex
>  --
>  Brian "bex" Exelbierd (he/him/his)
>  Fedora Community Action & Impact Coordinator
>  @bexelbie | http://www.winglemeyer.org
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[Cheng-Chia Tseng]

The free/libre/open source translation platforms available are Weblate and
Pootle.
I don't like Pootle. I have poor user experience with it while working on
LibreOffice translations.

Thus, I suggest switching to Weblate.

Frau Silvia Sánchez <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com&gt; 於 2019年5月24日 週五 上午12:04寫道：

>  Hi all
>
>  Is there any suggestions of a new platform that would fit our workflow and
>  requirements?  I'm sorry if this has been said somewhere else, but I only
>  remember discussing this subject without getting to a conclusion, and I'm
>  not very acquainted with translation platforms.
>
>  Kind regards,
>  Silvia
>  FAS:  Lailah
>
>
>
>
>  On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 16:28, Brian (bex) Exelbierd <bexelbie(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Based on the request in the last i10n meeting, I have been checking
> > into the status of Zanata to get us a definitive answer as we make our
> > plans.  Here is that answer:
> >
> > Zanata no longer has a functioning upstream and is on "ping and power"
> > level life support to keep our instance running.  At this time there
> > is no reason to believe the project will become viable so we need to
> > consider where we want to host our translation in the future.
> >
> > Ping and power support means that someone keeps the machine turned on
> > and will restart it if it fails. They will not patch, upgrade or fix
> > the software.
> >
> > I support us moving our translation platform and updating our
> > processes to make participation easier where appropriate.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > bex
> > --
> > Brian "bex" Exelbierd (he/him/his)
> > Fedora Community Action & Impact Coordinator
> > @bexelbie | http://www.winglemeyer.org
> > bexelbie(a)redhat.com | bex(a)pobox.com
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Cheers,
by Cheng-Chia Tseng

[Frau Silvia Sánchez]

From what I understand, Weblate has paid and free versions. Is that
correct?  If so, which one should we choose?  I've been looking at their
website, looks fine so far.




On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 18:34, Cheng-Chia Tseng <pswo10680(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  The free/libre/open source translation platforms available are
> Weblate and
>  Pootle.
>  I don't like Pootle. I have poor user experience with it while working on
>  LibreOffice translations.
>
>  Thus, I suggest switching to Weblate.
>
>  Frau Silvia Sánchez <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com&gt; 於 2019年5月24日 週五 上午12:04寫道：
>
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Is there any suggestions of a new platform that would fit our workflow
> > and requirements?  I'm sorry if this has been said somewhere else, but I
> > only remember discussing this subject without getting to a conclusion, and
> > I'm not very acquainted with translation platforms.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Silvia
> > FAS:  Lailah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 16:28, Brian (bex) Exelbierd <bexelbie(a)redhat.com&gt;
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Based on the request in the last i10n meeting, I have been checking
> >> into the status of Zanata to get us a definitive answer as we make our
> >> plans.  Here is that answer:
> >>
> >> Zanata no longer has a functioning upstream and is on "ping and power"
> >> level life support to keep our instance running.  At this time there
> >> is no reason to believe the project will become viable so we need to
> >> consider where we want to host our translation in the future.
> >>
> >> Ping and power support means that someone keeps the machine turned on
> >> and will restart it if it fails. They will not patch, upgrade or fix
> >> the software.
> >>
> >> I support us moving our translation platform and updating our
> >> processes to make participation easier where appropriate.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> bex
> >> --
> >> Brian "bex" Exelbierd (he/him/his)
> >> Fedora Community Action & Impact Coordinator
> >> @bexelbie | http://www.winglemeyer.org
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>
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>  by Cheng-Chia Tseng
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[Brian (bex) Exelbierd]

Hi,

There are several existing threads about changing translation
platforms going on in this list.  I encourage you to join one of those
so we don't split the conversation.

thanks,

bex

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:49 PM Frau Silvia Sánchez <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  From what I understand, Weblate has paid and free versions. Is that correct?  If so,
> which one should we choose?  I've been looking at their website, looks fine so far.
>
>
>
>
>  On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 18:34, Cheng-Chia Tseng <pswo10680(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > The free/libre/open source translation platforms available are Weblate and Pootle.
> > I don't like Pootle. I have poor user experience with it while working on
> LibreOffice translations.
> >
> > Thus, I suggest switching to Weblate.
> >
> > Frau Silvia Sánchez <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com&gt; 於 2019年5月24日 週五 上午12:04寫道：
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> Is there any suggestions of a new platform that would fit our workflow and
> requirements?  I'm sorry if this has been said somewhere else, but I only remember
> discussing this subject without getting to a conclusion, and I'm not very acquainted
> with translation platforms.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Silvia
> >> FAS:  Lailah
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 16:28, Brian (bex) Exelbierd <bexelbie(a)redhat.com&gt;
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Based on the request in the last i10n meeting, I have been checking
> >>> into the status of Zanata to get us a definitive answer as we make our
> >>> plans.  Here is that answer:
> >>>
> >>> Zanata no longer has a functioning upstream and is on "ping and
> power"
> >>> level life support to keep our instance running.  At this time there
> >>> is no reason to believe the project will become viable so we need to
> >>> consider where we want to host our translation in the future.
> >>>
> >>> Ping and power support means that someone keeps the machine turned on
> >>> and will restart it if it fails. They will not patch, upgrade or fix
> >>> the software.
> >>>
> >>> I support us moving our translation platform and updating our
> >>> processes to make participation easier where appropriate.
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>>
> >>> bex
> >>> --
> >>> Brian "bex" Exelbierd (he/him/his)
> >>> Fedora Community Action & Impact Coordinator
> >>> @bexelbie | http://www.winglemeyer.org
> >>> bexelbie(a)redhat.com | bex(a)pobox.com
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> >
> >
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> > by Cheng-Chia Tseng
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[Jean-Baptiste Holcroft]

Le 22/05/2019 à 16:27, Brian (bex) Exelbierd a écrit :
>  I support us moving our translation platform and updating our
>  processes to make participation easier where appropriate. 
Thanks for writing down this announcement, it was needed to help us to 
move forward.

Here are the next steps I see:

* list the fedora l10n community requirements and do a gap analysis with 
existing translation platforms,

* estimate the amount of money needed to do the devs and discuss it with 
the council,

* set up a migration plan.


I hope we can validate the migration plan during Flock, if that's fine 
for everyone.


How can you help?

* list the features you want to have in the translation platform, you 
may read this [1] to have ideas of subjects. Just send me emails with 
what you need, and I'll consolidate answers in a wiki page,

** You may also write the issues you have with weblate, someone said it 
was a problem anyone can change translation. So, what are the needs here?

* do you know a translation platform other than Weblate to add to the 
gap analysis? You'll have to compare the tool to our expectation,

* attend l10n meetings to be part of discussion.


Have a nice day


[1] 
https://jibecfed.fedorapeople.org/blog-hugo/en/2016/09/whats-a-good-trans...

-- 
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft