Please help translate the new installer interface

[Adam Williamson]

Hey, folks!  I've been testing the new installer interface that's being
used on the Workstation live image for Fedora 39, and while testing
things in non-English languages, I noticed the translations for several
languages which usually have very good coverage are very incomplete
(e.g. French, Russian and Japanese).

I absolutely get that everyone's a volunteer and I don't want to put
any pressure on anyone :) Just wanted to flag up that the new UI means
there are an unusual amount of new strings, and it would be awesome if
folks do have the time to work on these translations before we get to
Final. The installer team tells me there shouldn't be *too* much change
to the strings between now and then, so the work shouldn't be wasted.

If anyone's also on the GNOME translation teams, there's a new screen
at the end of gnome-initial-setup - "Try or Install" in English,
replacing the 'welcome screen' we had on live boot before - which is
also missing translations in some key languages (inc. French and
Japanese).

Thanks a lot, folks!

[Jean-Baptiste]

Hi Adam, your message is really welcome!

the place to translate is 
https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/anaconda/f39/

Le 08/09/2023 à 22:05, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> ... it would be awesome if folks do have the time to work on these translations before we get to Final

as you are involved in release lifecycle Adam, let's highlight an issue 
we don't discuss much:

we can see the F39 branch were added 11 days ago: 
https://translate.fedoraproject.org/changes/?component=f39&project=anaco...

and that changes still apply: 
https://translate.fedoraproject.org/changes/?component=f39&project=anaco...

while the Fedora schedule tells us Software Translation Deadline is 
august 22nd:

https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-39/f-39-trans-tasks.html

A few Improvement ideas would be:

* have deadline communicated by dev teams (here, what's the translation 
deadline for Anaconda?)

* have a common guideline for all fedora-synchronized release software 
(software list to be elaborated)
> The installer team tells me there shouldn't be *too* much change
> to the strings between now and then, so the work shouldn't be wasted.

well, I can still see 810 words changes, on 90 languages it is a lot, 
but this is another discussion ;)
> If anyone's also on the GNOME translation teams, there's a new screen
> at the end of gnome-initial-setup - "Try or Install" in English,
> replacing the 'welcome screen' we had on live boot before - which is
> also missing translations in some key languages (inc. French and
> Japanese).

Component is here: https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gnome-initial-setup/#master

software translation deadline is September 13th, according to 
https://wiki.gnome.org/FortyFive

Have a nice day,

Jean-Baptiste

[Adam Williamson]

On Sat, 2023-09-09 at 07:14 +0200, Jean-Baptiste wrote:
> Hi Adam, your message is really welcome!
>
> the place to translate is 
> https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/anaconda/f39/
>
> Le 08/09/2023 à 22:05, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > ... it would be awesome if folks do have the time to work on these translations before we get to Final
>
> as you are involved in release lifecycle Adam, let's highlight an issue 
> we don't discuss much:
>
> we can see the F39 branch were added 11 days ago: 
> https://translate.fedoraproject.org/changes/?component=f39&project=anaco...
>
> and that changes still apply: 
> https://translate.fedoraproject.org/changes/?component=f39&project=anaco...
>
> while the Fedora schedule tells us Software Translation Deadline is 
> august 22nd:
>
> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-39/f-39-trans-tasks.html

Yep, you're right. The string freezes haven't really been super
strictly honored lately, I think when we get the new operation
architect role filled that might be something they can push on.
> A few Improvement ideas would be:
> have deadline communicated by dev teams (here, what's the translation
>
> deadline for Anaconda?)

For this cycle it's kind of difficult because webUI is still being
worked on. I believe all the major work is done, but there can still be
cases where for instance we (QA team) find a bug and it turns out to
need a new string. I don't think there is a formal deadline; we should
probably have considered this in the Change proposal.
> have a common guideline for all fedora-synchronized release software
>
> (software list to be elaborated)

This is what the software string freeze is meant to be (AIUI), but
again, it seems to be less enforced lately. I remember a few years ago
it seemed to come up a lot more often...

For F39 the software string freeze date was July 25:
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-39/f-39-all-tasks.html
which, uh, clearly didn't happen. I'll definitely bring this up with
Matthew as something for the operations architect to look at.
> > The installer team tells me there shouldn't be *too* much change
> > to the strings between now and then, so the work shouldn't be wasted.
>
> well, I can still see 810 words changes, on 90 languages it is a lot, 
> but this is another discussion ;)

Oh yes, the amount of new translation work needed *now* is a lot, for
sure - what I meant is hopefully it shouldn't change too much *more*
between now and Final.
> > If anyone's also on the GNOME translation teams, there's a new screen
> > at the end of gnome-initial-setup - "Try or Install" in English,
> > replacing the 'welcome screen' we had on live boot before - which is
> > also missing translations in some key languages (inc. French and
> > Japanese).
>
> Component is here: https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gnome-initial-setup/#master
>
> software translation deadline is September 13th, according to 
> https://wiki.gnome.org/FortyFive

Thanks a lot!

[Hajime Taira]

Hi Adam,

I'm the Japanese translation team lead. But also I haven't been active
lately.
I have translated Anaconda several times before.
I'll do my best if I have time tomorrow on Sunday.

Regards,
Taira

[Hajime Taira]

Hi Adam,

Anaconda is now at 100% Japanese again too.
Do I also need to translate gnome-initial-setup too?

Regards,
Taira

2023年9月9日(土) 23:51 Hajime Taira :
> Hi Adam,
>
> I'm the Japanese translation team lead. But also I haven't been active
> lately.
> I have translated Anaconda several times before.
> I'll do my best if I have time tomorrow on Sunday.
>
> Regards,
> Taira
>
> --
> Hajime Taira
> Senior Solution Architect - Telco
> Red Hat K.K.
> Ebisu Neonato 3F, 4-1-18, Ebisu,
> Shibuya-ku, Tokyo, Japan 150-0013
> [e-mail]
>
> 2023年9月9日(土) 5:05 Adam Williamson :
> > Hey, folks!  I've been testing the new installer interface that's being
> > used on the Workstation live image for Fedora 39, and while testing
> > things in non-English languages, I noticed the translations for several
> > languages which usually have very good coverage are very incomplete
> > (e.g. French, Russian and Japanese).
> >
> > I absolutely get that everyone's a volunteer and I don't want to put
> > any pressure on anyone :) Just wanted to flag up that the new UI means
> > there are an unusual amount of new strings, and it would be awesome if
> > folks do have the time to work on these translations before we get to
> > Final. The installer team tells me there shouldn't be *too* much change
> > to the strings between now and then, so the work shouldn't be wasted.
> >
> > If anyone's also on the GNOME translation teams, there's a new screen
> > at the end of gnome-initial-setup - "Try or Install" in English,
> > replacing the 'welcome screen' we had on live boot before - which is
> > also missing translations in some key languages (inc. French and
> > Japanese).
> > Thanks a lot, folks!
> >
> > Adam Williamson (he/him/his)
> > Fedora QA
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> Hajime Taira
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> Ebisu Neonato 3F, 4-1-18, Ebisu,
> Shibuya-ku, Tokyo, Japan 150-0013
> [e-mail]

[Adam Williamson]

On Sun, 2023-09-10 at 16:35 +0900, Hajime Taira wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> Anaconda is now at 100% Japanese again too.
> Do I also need to translate gnome-initial-setup too?

That's awesome, thank you so much! If you possibly can also translate
the new g-i-s screen too, that would be great. I should warn you,
though, Ray (the developer) says that screen may get redesigned before
Final, so it might need translating again later :(

[Luna Jernberg]

Thats good to know :)

Den sön 10 sep. 2023 kl 17:24 skrev Adam Williamson
:
> On Sun, 2023-09-10 at 16:35 +0900, Hajime Taira wrote:
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > Anaconda is now at 100% Japanese again too.
> > Do I also need to translate gnome-initial-setup too?
>
> That's awesome, thank you so much! If you possibly can also translate
> the new g-i-s screen too, that would be great. I should warn you,
> though, Ray (the developer) says that screen may get redesigned before
> Final, so it might need translating again later :(
> --
> Adam Williamson (he/him/his)
> Fedora QA
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[Luna Jernberg]

Hey!

Me and a guy has helped out with the Swedish as much as we had time
and will continue to do so
is the new screen in g-i-s in Gnome upstream D-L translation platform
or somewhere in Fedora?

Den fre 8 sep. 2023 kl 22:05 skrev Adam Williamson :
> Hey, folks!  I've been testing the new installer interface that's being
> used on the Workstation live image for Fedora 39, and while testing
> things in non-English languages, I noticed the translations for several
> languages which usually have very good coverage are very incomplete
> (e.g. French, Russian and Japanese).
>
> I absolutely get that everyone's a volunteer and I don't want to put
> any pressure on anyone :) Just wanted to flag up that the new UI means
> there are an unusual amount of new strings, and it would be awesome if
> folks do have the time to work on these translations before we get to
> Final. The installer team tells me there shouldn't be *too* much change
> to the strings between now and then, so the work shouldn't be wasted.
>
> If anyone's also on the GNOME translation teams, there's a new screen
> at the end of gnome-initial-setup - "Try or Install" in English,
> replacing the 'welcome screen' we had on live boot before - which is
> also missing translations in some key languages (inc. French and
> Japanese).
> Thanks a lot, folks!
>
> Adam Williamson (he/him/his)
> Fedora QA
> Fedora Chat: @adamwill:fedora.im | Mastodon: @[e-mail]
> https://www.happyassassin.net
>
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[Adam Williamson]

On Sat, 2023-09-09 at 22:17 +0200, Luna Jernberg wrote:
> Hey!
>
> Me and a guy has helped out with the Swedish as much as we had time
> and will continue to do so

Yup, I saw that, thanks so much!
> is the new screen in g-i-s in Gnome upstream D-L translation platform
> or somewhere in Fedora?

It's in GNOME upstream, Jean-Baptiste gave the link:
https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gnome-initial-setup/#master

[Luna Jernberg]

Anders the Swedish translation lead for GNOME was faster then me with
the g-i-s work
and Anaconda is now at 100% Swedish again
and no problem :) just happy to be able to be of help

Den sön 10 sep. 2023 kl 01:21 skrev Adam Williamson
:
> On Sat, 2023-09-09 at 22:17 +0200, Luna Jernberg wrote:
> > Hey!
> >
> > Me and a guy has helped out with the Swedish as much as we had time
> > and will continue to do so
>
> Yup, I saw that, thanks so much!
> > is the new screen in g-i-s in Gnome upstream D-L translation platform
> > or somewhere in Fedora?
>
> It's in GNOME upstream, Jean-Baptiste gave the link:
> https://l10n.gnome.org/module/gnome-initial-setup/#master
> --
> Adam Williamson (he/him/his)
> Fedora QA
> Fedora Chat: @adamwill:fedora.im | Mastodon: @[e-mail]
> https://www.happyassassin.net