Request to become coordinator of italian team

[Emanuele Petriglia]

Hi!

In the recent weeks I discovered that Italian team is a bit abandoned, coordinators are
unreachable and the activity on the mailing list is not very high. I recently joined in
Fedora project, and I want to contribute starting from localization, but the absence of
coordinators is preventing me to contribute (still today, after four weeks of request, I
am not approved in the Italian team on Zanata).

For this reason I would like to become a coordinator of my team, replacing Silvio Pierro
(perplex) and Gianluca Sforna (giallu), the current coordinators. I sent an
announcement[0] on the local mailing list and other people seem to like my decision.

Now, the wiki page on how to become a coordinator seems a bit old[1], so I don't know
what I need to do (especially who do I need to ask to get Zanata access and other similar
things).

I have another problem: on FAS I've requested to join on cvsl10n group, but after four
weeks no one have accepted me.

Thanks in advance,
Emanuele

[0]:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]...
[1]:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Guide/Coordinator?rd=L10N_Coordinator...

[Jean-Baptiste Holcroft]

Welcome Emanuele :)

Le 24/03/2019 à 16:33, Emanuele Petriglia a écrit :
>  For this reason I would like to become a coordinator of my team,
> replacing Silvio Pierro (perplex) and Gianluca Sforna (giallu), the current coordinators.
> I sent an announcement[0] on the local mailing list and other people seem to like my
> decision. 
Hi, I'm unsure to understand all the conversation in the Italian mailing 
list, I think having some Italian contributor to confirm this here in 
English would make it explicit. Then you'll be welcome to update the 
wiki page, and Zanata team But this is not a huge issue not to have any 
active coordinator.

What is an issue is you not being able to contribute.

>  Now, the wiki page on how to become a coordinator seems a bit old[1],
> so I don't know what I need to do (especially who do I need to ask to get Zanata
> access and other similar things).
>
>  I have another problem: on FAS I've requested to join on cvsl10n group, but after
> four weeks no one have accepted me. 
What is your FAS account? I can't see you (or can't make the link with 
your mail address) in the list of cvsl10n requests.


I added Silvio Pierro (perplex) and Gianluca Sforna (giallu) in CC, in 
hope they may see this exchange.

-- 
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft

On Mon, 2019-04-01 at 22:54 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft wrote:
>  
>  Hi, I'm unsure to understand all the conversation in the Italian
>  mailing 
>  list, I think having some Italian contributor to confirm this here
>  in 
>  English would make it explicit. Then you'll be welcome to update the 
>  wiki page, and Zanata team But this is not a huge issue not to have
>  any 
>  active coordinator.
>  
>  What is an issue is you not being able to contribute. 

Indeed, not to have a coordinator is an issue for new contributors.

Like in this case: if we have a person that would like to contribute,
usually he doesn't know where to start, and even if other contributors
are able to point him to useful documents to read and they are able to
drive him in the first steps, the newcomer doesn't have the rights to
simply modify the wiki pages, and no one is able to help him (at least
he should contact the international group).

I mean, if the work of a coordinator should be to have an overview of
what it is important to translate, priorities, status of the project,
you are right that not to have a coordinator is not a big issue: all in
all every translator will translate what he want or what he is more
interested in. It is better to have a coordinator, but translations can
going on even if he is unavailable for some time.

But in the eyes of a newcomer, the first impression in not to have a
responsive coordinator or at least someone that is able to give him the
rights to use the tools (wiki, zanata, etc.), it isn't a nice
impression. Waiting three weeks in order to be able to edit the wiki,
it seems a bit unpleasant, IMO.

So, if this new contributor (FAS: emape), instead of run away from the
project (that IMO it could be a normal reaction to such situation), he
volunteer himself to become a new coordinator of the Italian
translation team, I think that we should welcome him!


Ciao,
A.

[Jean-Baptiste Holcroft]

Le 2019-04-02 13:07, alciregi(a)gmail.com a écrit :
>  Indeed, not to have a coordinator is an issue for new contributors.
We think a coordinator is mandatory because our processes requires :
  * a validation to join Zanata,
  * and a validation to join an obscure FAS group "cvsl10n" (for wiki 
edit and vote),
  * and a self introduction.

I hope we will be able someday to let people join and translate as they 
wish, and send them an invitation to be part of the team/community and 
introduce themselves if they wish to.
This would bring more resilience, flexibility and save time for 
everyone. Self organization is often sufficient.

>  So, if this new contributor (FAS: emape), instead of run away from
> the
>  project (that IMO it could be a normal reaction to such situation), he
>  volunteer himself to become a new coordinator of the Italian
>  translation team, I think that we should welcome him! 
I'm fine with that, but we don't know if someone will oppose this 
request. I
The thing is we should respect the previous coordinator and let them a 
chance to react and to say themselves if they wish to continue or pass 
over. That's the reason why we do it in the open. I remember we already 
discussed this two years ago, but don't remember if we decided to wait 
two weeks or more to the previous coordinator.

Anyway, it would be great to have a second candidate to Italian team 
coordinator to prevent a new blocked situation in the future.

[Emanuele Petriglia]

Hi,

>  What is your FAS account? I can't see you (or can't make the
> link with
>  your mail address) in the list of cvsl10n requests. 
After the previous email Francesco Tombolini (tombo) sponsored me, but
he is a sponsor, not a coordinator.

But I don't have still today Zanata permission to contribute, because
there a no coordinators active.

On 4/1/19 10:54 PM, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft wrote:
> Welcome Emanuele :)
> 
> Le 24/03/2019 à 16:33, Emanuele Petriglia a écrit :
>> For this reason I would like to become a coordinator of my team,
>> replacing Silvio Pierro (perplex) and Gianluca Sforna (giallu), the
>> current coordinators. I sent an announcement[0] on the local mailing
>> list and other people seem to like my decision.
> 
> Hi, I'm unsure to understand all the conversation in the Italian mailing
> list, I think having some Italian contributor to confirm this here in
> English would make it explicit. Then you'll be welcome to update the
> wiki page, and Zanata team But this is not a huge issue not to have any
> active coordinator.
> 
> What is an issue is you not being able to contribute.
> 
>> Now, the wiki page on how to become a coordinator seems a bit old[1],
>> so I don't know what I need to do (especially who do I need to ask to
>> get Zanata access and other similar things).
>>
>> I have another problem: on FAS I've requested to join on cvsl10n
>> group, but after four weeks no one have accepted me.
> 
>  What is your FAS account? I can't see you (or can't make the
> link with
>  your mail address) in the list of cvsl10n requests. 
> 
> 
> I added Silvio Pierro (perplex) and Gianluca Sforna (giallu) in CC, in
> hope they may see this exchange.
> 

-- 
Emanuele Petriglia

[Jean-Baptiste Holcroft]

Le 2019-04-03 12:55, Emanuele Petriglia a écrit :
>  But I don't have still today Zanata permission to contribute,
> because
>  there a no coordinators active. 
I assume you did a request there: 
https://fedora.zanata.org/language/view/it
I sent a personal message to Noriko and Piotr who are admins of Zanata 
to solve this. Maybe Alex Aeng is one too? If he reads us.

[Emanuele Petriglia]

Hi,

Piotr Drąg gave me the permission on Zanata, finally. Now I can start to contribute
effectively, but what about my request to become coordinator?

[Silvio Pierro]

Hi, I've just read all the requests, i'm one of the old coordinators but i'm
not active anymore, so I accept the new role of Emanuele Petriglia an let me know if you
need some activities from me.

Sorry for the late reply.