F28 translation tracking

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Hi

I've created the tracking bug, which contains 33 bugs.
The string has been frozen on 6-Feb, and the software translation 
deadline is 6-Mar.
It would be nice if we can solve the bugs as many as possible.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484

cheers

noriko

[Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch]

> I've created the tracking bug, which contains 33 bugs.
> The string has been frozen on 6-Feb, and the software translation deadline
> is 6-Mar.
> It would be nice if we can solve the bugs as many as possible.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484

Can you add this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495 ?

Regards,
Robert

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2018/02/18 20:37, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch wrote:
> I've created the tracking bug, which contains 33 bugs.
> The string has been frozen on 6-Feb, and the software translation
> deadline is 6-Mar.
> It would be nice if we can solve the bugs as many as possible.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484
> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484>
>
>
> Can you add this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495 ?

done.
--n
> Regards,
> Robert
>
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[Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch]

> > I've created the tracking bug, which contains 33 bugs.
> > The string has been frozen on 6-Feb, and the software translation
> > deadline is 6-Mar.
> > It would be nice if we can solve the bugs as many as possible.
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484
> > <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484>
> >
> >
> > Can you add this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495
> > ?
>
> done.

Thank you very much.

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2018/02/18 20:59, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch wrote:
>         I've created the tracking bug, which contains 33 bugs.
>         The string has been frozen on 6-Feb, and the software
>     translation
>         deadline is 6-Mar.
>         It would be nice if we can solve the bugs as many as possible.
>     https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484
>     <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484>
>         <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484
>     <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484>>
>
>
>     Can you add this bug
>     https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495
>     <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495> ?
>
>
> done.
>
>
> Thank you very much.

Robert, please help me to understand,
This bus is requesting the developer to fix, right?
It just slightly fuzzy to me what exactly is asked here, prob my lack of 
knowledge.

Thanks

noriko
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[Yuri Chornoivan]

неділя, 18 лютого 2018 р. 13:03:29 EET Noriko Mizumoto написано:
> On 2018/02/18 20:59, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch wrote:
> >         I've created the tracking bug, which contains 33 bugs.
> >         The string has been frozen on 6-Feb, and the software
> >     translation
> >         deadline is 6-Mar.
> >         It would be nice if we can solve the bugs as many as
> >     possible.
> >     https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484
> >     <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484>
> >         <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484
> >     <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     Can you add this bug
> >     https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495
> >     <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495> ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > done.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much.
>
> Robert, please help me to understand,
> This bus is requesting the developer to fix, right?
> It just slightly fuzzy to me what exactly is asked here, prob my lack of 
> knowledge.
>
> Thanks
>
> noriko

Hi,

Technically, all our teams from the list in the bug report need developers 
decision on what to do. There are two options:

1. Patch glibc in Fedora until upstream glibc will be patched and patch GNOME 
etc. to be consistent with the new placeholders.

2. Wait for the upstream glibc with partially broken translations (but they 
are broken now anyway, at least for Ukrainian, because our GNOME team did not 
use the hack for our language that was crafted by other part of our team many 
years ago ;) ).

Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Yuri

[Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch]

> Patch glibc in Fedora until upstream glibc will be patched and patch
>
> GNOME
> etc. to be consistent with the new placeholders.

glib2 (GNOME, XFCE, ...) will use native libs (glibc in Linux) to convert
dates to strings for now [1]

[1]
https://github.com/GNOME/glib/commit/be4f96b6502c01d2a51d60b7a669c8ef82e22a4...

[Rafal Luzynski]

18.02.2018 13:36 Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch  wrote:
> > > Patch glibc in Fedora until upstream glibc will be patched and patch
> > >
> > > GNOME
> >
> > etc. to be consistent with the new placeholders.
> > >
>
> glib2 (GNOME, XFCE, ...) will use native libs  (glibc in Linux) to convert
> dates to strings for now [1]
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/GNOME/glib/commit/be4f96b6502c01d2a51d60b7a669c8ef82e22a4...

Partially yes, partially no. First of all, tt will use native
libs if native libs provide the list of month names correctly.
That means that everything works perfectly on glibc 2.27 (Fedora 28),
except the languages which have not yet been updated (e.g.,
Catalan). The build scripts recognize the supported API but
do not proofread the list of months and date formats in all
languages. :-) If the same glib2 is built on older Linux
(Fedora 27 or RHEL) or non-Linux (BSD, OS X, Windows) it will
use the translator delivered strings.

And this is the place which makes me worried. The commit which
you quoted requires the translators to update their list of months.
In most cases DamnedLies should suggest the existing translations
and they should just confirm that the translations are correct
and uncheck the fuzzy flag. So far only the following languages
have been updated to provide full list of month names: Portuguese
(Brazilian), Polish, Friulian, Galician, Indonesian and German.
Total number of supported languages is 98; this includes 3 variants
of English so we can count 95. (Catalan is not updated: Robert, you
have pushed an old *.po file).

Second, g_date_time_format is not the only function which displays
dates in glib2, another one is g_date_strftime() which will work
OK in Unix platforms but needs an update for Windows. [2]

Thank you for your concerns, Robert and Yuri. Most of these bugs
are upstream but I think someone at Fedora side should take care
of tracking the problems and providing test cases. I will appreciate
if someone joins my efforts.

Regards,

Rafal

[2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749206

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2018/02/18 21:20, Yuri Chornoivan wrote:
> неділя, 18 лютого 2018 р. 13:03:29 EET Noriko Mizumoto написано:
> > On 2018/02/18 20:59, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch wrote:
> > >          I've created the tracking bug, which contains 33 bugs.
> > >          The string has been frozen on 6-Feb, and the software
> > >      translation
> > >          deadline is 6-Mar.
> > >          It would be nice if we can solve the bugs as many as
> > >      possible.
> > >      https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484
> > >      <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484>
> > >          <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484
> > >      <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Can you add this bug
> > >      https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495
> > >      <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495> ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  done.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much.
> >
> > Robert, please help me to understand,
> > This bus is requesting the developer to fix, right?
> > It just slightly fuzzy to me what exactly is asked here, prob my lack of
> > knowledge.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > noriko
>
> Hi,
>
> Technically, all our teams from the list in the bug report need developers
> decision on what to do. There are two options:
> Patch glibc in Fedora until upstream glibc will be patched and patch GNOME
>
> etc. to be consistent with the new placeholders.
> Wait for the upstream glibc with partially broken translations (but they
>
> are broken now anyway, at least for Ukrainian, because our GNOME team did not
> use the hack for our language that was crafted by other part of our team many
> years ago ;) ).

Oki, thanks Yuri,
Then let's wait for the develop to respond.
If needed, we can push him?!

noriko
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best regards,
> Yuri
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[Rafal Luzynski]

18.02.2018 12:03 Noriko Mizumoto  wrote:
> On 2018/02/18 20:59, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch wrote:
> > [...]
> > Can you add this bug
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495 ?
> >
> > done.
> >
> > Thank you very much.
>
> Robert, please help me to understand,
> This bus is requesting the developer to fix, right?
> It just slightly fuzzy to me what exactly is asked here, prob my lack of
> knowledge.

True, it needs a developer's fix (and that's probably myself¹ :) )
This patch should be pushed upstream to both master and 2.27 branch
and then Fedora should pull the upstream patches for glibc. Nothing
more to be done here. However, I think it's useful to keep this bug
report open and use it to track the change.

Regards,

Rafal

________
¹ I have already asked Mike to replace me if I'm away.

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2018/02/19 1:08, Rafal Luzynski wrote:
> 18.02.2018 12:03 Noriko Mizumoto  wrote:
> > On 2018/02/18 20:59, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > Can you add this bug
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546495 ?
> > >
> > > done.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much.
> >
> > Robert, please help me to understand,
> > This bus is requesting the developer to fix, right?
> > It just slightly fuzzy to me what exactly is asked here, prob my lack of
> > knowledge.
>
> True, it needs a developer's fix (and that's probably myself¹ :) )

Yes! great!! thank you！

noriko
> This patch should be pushed upstream to both master and 2.27 branch
> and then Fedora should pull the upstream patches for glibc. Nothing
> more to be done here. However, I think it's useful to keep this bug
> report open and use it to track the change.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rafal
>
> ¹ I have already asked Mike to replace me if I'm away.

[Piotr Drąg]

2018-02-18 8:41 GMT+01:00 Noriko Mizumoto :
> Hi
>
> I've created the tracking bug, which contains 33 bugs.
> The string has been frozen on 6-Feb, and the software translation deadline
> is 6-Mar.
> It would be nice if we can solve the bugs as many as possible.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484

I commented on some of these. I’d gladly help with the clean-up, but I
need someone to sponsor me to the fedorabugs group. My FAS account is
“piotrdrag”.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/members/fedorabugs

Best regards,

[Noriko Mizumoto]

On 2018/02/19 3:36, Piotr Drąg wrote:
> 2018-02-18 8:41 GMT+01:00 Noriko Mizumoto :
> > Hi
> >
> > I've created the tracking bug, which contains 33 bugs.
> > The string has been frozen on 6-Feb, and the software translation deadline
> > is 6-Mar.
> > It would be nice if we can solve the bugs as many as possible.
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1546484
>
> I commented on some of these. I’d gladly help with the clean-up, but I
> need someone to sponsor me to the fedorabugs group. My FAS account is
> “piotrdrag”.
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/members/fedorabugs

Thank you Piotr
Just asked Infra team to sponsor you.
--noriko
> Best regards,