On wiki and translation...

[Bart Couvreur]

Hi all,

you might have heard about the up and coming wiki migration from our
current moin-instance to the likely better working mediawiki. This as a
result of all sorts of problems with moin. For more info, see the wiki
[1]

As a result of this, we've got the chance to rethink how we organize our
translations of the wiki. Do we want to keep the current structure, or
do we want to formalize it and create some guidelines for wiki
translation, to be used in the new setup?

Possible ways:
      * $lang-code/$English_title: keep the same structure of the
        English original wiki, just insert a lang code (somewhat like
        how the main website is set up)
      * $lang-code/$translated_title: translate the structure
      * $English_title/$lang-code: create sub-pages of a certain page
        with the translation

Looking at how Wikipedia has set up their mediawiki, it should be
possible to create a list of translations of a certain page.

So any ideas, suggestions, questions, ... anything, shoot :-)

Bart

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/WikiMigration
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[Mostafa Daneshvar]

On Se shanbe 03 Ordibehesht 1387 21:30:41 Bart Couvreur wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>  you might have heard about the up and coming wiki migration from our
>  current moin-instance to the likely better working mediawiki. This as a
>  result of all sorts of problems with moin. For more info, see the wiki
>  [1]
>
>  As a result of this, we've got the chance to rethink how we organize our
>  translations of the wiki. Do we want to keep the current structure, or
>  do we want to formalize it and create some guidelines for wiki
>  translation, to be used in the new setup?
>
>  Possible ways:
>        * $lang-code/$English_title: keep the same structure of the
>          English original wiki, just insert a lang code (somewhat like
>          how the main website is set up)
>        * $lang-code/$translated_title: translate the structure
>        * $English_title/$lang-code: create sub-pages of a certain page
>          with the translation. 
I agree with $English_title/$lang-code
>  Looking at how Wikipedia has set up their mediawiki, it should be
>  possible to create a list of translations of a certain page.
>
>  So any ideas, suggestions, questions, ... anything, shoot :-)
>
>  Bart
>
>  [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/WikiMigration 


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[Francesco Tombolini]

Bart Couvreur ha scritto:
>  Possible ways:
>        * $lang-code/$English_title: keep the same structure of the
>          English original wiki, just insert a lang code (somewhat like
>          how the main website is set up)
>        * $lang-code/$translated_title: translate the structure
>        * $English_title/$lang-code: create sub-pages of a certain page
>          with the translation
>  
>  Looking at how Wikipedia has set up their mediawiki, it should be
>  possible to create a list of translations of a certain page.
>   
I prefer $lang-code/$English_title so the user can feel that he can
browse a complete $lang site. I think it is more comfortable read
contents in this way.
And is also comfortable for a translator pay attention to internal links
that differs only by a $lang-code prefix.

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[Ricky Zhou]

On 2008-04-22 07:00:41 PM, Bart Couvreur wrote:
>  Hi all,
>  
>  you might have heard about the up and coming wiki migration from our
>  current moin-instance to the likely better working mediawiki. This as a
>  result of all sorts of problems with moin. For more info, see the wiki
>  [1]
>  
>  As a result of this, we've got the chance to rethink how we organize our
>  translations of the wiki. Do we want to keep the current structure, or
>  do we want to formalize it and create some guidelines for wiki
>  translation, to be used in the new setup?
>  
>  Possible ways:
>        * $lang-code/$English_title: keep the same structure of the
>          English original wiki, just insert a lang code (somewhat like
>          how the main website is set up)
>        * $lang-code/$translated_title: translate the structure
>        * $English_title/$lang-code: create sub-pages of a certain page
>          with the translation
>  
>  Looking at how Wikipedia has set up their mediawiki, it should be
>  possible to create a list of translations of a certain page. 
Another good example
is OpenSUSE
(http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org).  I don't know how they
manage things, but seem to have extremely complete and well-updated
translations of their wiki (not that I want us to have per-langauge
subdomains like they do).

Thanks,
Ricky

[Diego Búrigo Zacarão]

Hello, all!

2008/4/23, Ricky Zhou <ricky(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Another good example is OpenSUSE
>  (http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org).  I don't know how they
>  manage things, but seem to have extremely complete and well-updated
>  translations of their wiki (not that I want us to have per-langauge
>  subdomains like they do).
>
>  
At the first glance, that solution seems to be very interesting.
But see:
http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Translation_Guide
and/or
http://pt.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Translation_Guide

AFAIK, how we can see at the links above, they use the same management than
us. They just create a new page translated in their wiki and set up with a
subdomain against us that we create a subdirectory (wiki/<LANG>/Page).

However, that continues to be a not easy way to make the source
strings/messages available to the translators.
It's hard to manage the changes between the original page and a translated
one, as we can see at the same links above, and as the currently pages of
our wiki too.

Cheers

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