FLP Meeting 2007-10-16 Summary

[Marek Mahut]

FLP Meeting 2007-10-16 Summary
==============================

Attendees
---------

  * Bart Couvreur (couf)
  * Marek Mahut (marek)
  * Espen Stefansen (Libbe)
  * Diego Zacarao (Rasther)
  * Peter Reuschlein (petreu)


Summary
-------

  - No updates regarding TQSG.

  - Glezos wasn't available to respond our questions.
     * Are all modules enabled on transifex now? If not, when?

  - Dead line for release notes of Fedora 8 is 22nd October, please take
time to finish yours. It needs to be translated at least in 90% to
include in release. There is zero-day chance on 7th November [1].
     * Marek Mahut found someone (Lenka Čelková) who will help him with
Slovak translation.
     * Question for Paul (in CC), how to add a credit for person into
relnotes?

[1]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#head-125c505fedcd5f796...


Next meeting
------------

Next meeting will take please on 30. October 2007 at 19h UTC in
#fedora-meeting @ irc.freenode.org. Find more information at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings.


IRC Log
-------

IRC log of the meeting is available at
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-October/msg00049.html.


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TQSG update => was Re: FLP Meeting 2007-10-16 Summary

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Marek Mahut wrote:
>  FLP Meeting 2007-10-16 Summary
>  ==============================
>  
>  Attendees
>  ---------
>  
>    * Bart Couvreur (couf)
>    * Marek Mahut (marek)
>    * Espen Stefansen (Libbe)
>    * Diego Zacarao (Rasther)
>    * Peter Reuschlein (petreu)
>  
>  
>  Summary
>  -------
>  
>    - No updates regarding TQSG. 
Bart, Marek, Espen, Diego and Peter

Sorry I could not attend the meeting and give some update.
Actually the draft has been fully updated with latest information.
So the status is "waiting for editor approval with version 0.3.8.2".

Do me a favor!
I have been asking for reviewing to Paul and Dimitris but they seems 
quite busy atm, while you guys are all experienced translators knowing 
the procedure well.

so... could you please kindly give a review?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/PublishQueue#preview

Once reviewing done and this guide is published, it should contain 
almost everything that translator needs to know for starting translation 
without old confusing information. Thus people no longer need to go here 
and there to find what to do.

There must be more updation required time to time, but we can catch up 
later anyway.

Thanks!
noriko



>  
>    - Glezos wasn't available to respond our questions.
>       * Are all modules enabled on transifex now? If not, when?
>  
>    - Dead line for release notes of Fedora 8 is 22nd October, please take
>  time to finish yours. It needs to be translated at least in 90% to
>  include in release. There is zero-day chance on 7th November [1].
>       * Marek Mahut found someone (Lenka Čelková) who will help him with
>  Slovak translation.
>       * Question for Paul (in CC), how to add a credit for person into
>  relnotes?
>  
>  [1]
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#head-125c505fedcd5f796...
>  
>  
>  Next meeting
>  ------------
>  
>  Next meeting will take please on 30. October 2007 at 19h UTC in
>  #fedora-meeting @ irc.freenode.org. Find more information at
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings.
>  
>  
>  IRC Log
>  -------
>  
>  IRC log of the meeting is available at
>  http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-October/msg00049.html.
>  
>

TQSG update => was Re: FLP Meeting 2007-10-16 Summary

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 14:22 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
>  Sorry I could not attend the meeting and give some update.
>  Actually the draft has been fully updated with latest information.
>  So the status is "waiting for editor approval with version 0.3.8.2".
>  
>  Do me a favor!
>  I have been asking for reviewing to Paul and Dimitris but they seems 
>  quite busy atm, while you guys are all experienced translators knowing 
>  the procedure well.
>  
>  so... could you please kindly give a review?
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/PublishQueue#preview
>  
>  Once reviewing done and this guide is published, it should contain 
>  almost everything that translator needs to know for starting translation 
>  without old confusing information. Thus people no longer need to go here 
>  and there to find what to do.
>  
>  There must be more updation required time to time, but we can catch up 
>  later anyway. 
Sorry, I was on travel this past week and really pressed for time.  I'm
looking at some of the updates to the TQSG, but I'm a little confused at
some of the changes.  Many of the steps in the procedure have been
rewritten in a way that actually makes them harder to read and
translate.  

When revising an existing guide, it's important to try and make changes
incremental rather than sweeping.  Usually an editor has spent a good
bit of time trying to correct language, and thus make a guide adherent
to our style guidelines[1] and easier to translate.  It seems to me that
many of the changes in the TQSG could have been made by simply adding
<section> and <title> elements rather than rewriting all the content.
I'm going to need some time now to re-edit all of the text, but I expect
to have it done later today.

= = =
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide

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TQSG update => was Re: FLP Meeting 2007-10-16 Summary

[Noriko Mizumoto]

Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 14:22 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
> > Sorry I could not attend the meeting and give some update.
> > Actually the draft has been fully updated with latest information.
> > So the status is "waiting for editor approval with version 0.3.8.2".
> >
> > Do me a favor!
> > I have been asking for reviewing to Paul and Dimitris but they seems 
> > quite busy atm, while you guys are all experienced translators knowing 
> > the procedure well.
> >
> > so... could you please kindly give a review?
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/PublishQueue#preview
> >
> > Once reviewing done and this guide is published, it should contain 
> > almost everything that translator needs to know for starting translation 
> > without old confusing information. Thus people no longer need to go here 
> > and there to find what to do.
> >
> > There must be more updation required time to time, but we can catch up 
> > later anyway.
>  
>  Sorry, I was on travel this past week and really pressed for time.  I'm
>  looking at some of the updates to the TQSG, but I'm a little confused at
>  some of the changes.  Many of the steps in the procedure have been
>  rewritten in a way that actually makes them harder to read and
>  translate.  
>  
>  When revising an existing guide, it's important to try and make changes
>  incremental rather than sweeping.  Usually an editor has spent a good
>  bit of time trying to correct language, and thus make a guide adherent
>  to our style guidelines[1] and easier to translate.  It seems to me that
>  many of the changes in the TQSG could have been made by simply adding
>  <section> and <title> elements rather than rewriting all the content.
>  I'm going to need some time now to re-edit all of the text, but I expect
>  to have it done later today.
>  
>  = = =
>  [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide 
Paul,
That is exactly what I was afraid of due to lack of experience as a 
writer, terribly sorry giving you mess. Actually this was my very first 
documenting task. I just wanted to update this guide to reflect recent 
move and to contain necessary information such as transifex introduction 
all in one place, since many translators are wandering a jungle of 
information atm and some are even halting their translation activity for 
modules.
Thank you so much for devoting substantial time on this. I have learnt 
many from you again :) I'm sure to make good use of this newly learnt 
knowledge next time.
I also have added myself in default CC against the Bugzila/Fedora 
Documentation/translation-quick-start-guide component.

Btw, 'Fedora Documentation Style Guide' is quite lengthy, and I need 
more time to complete reading...

Many thanks
noriko


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