Fedora 7 Final translation date snapshot question

Hello,

I was very anxious to see the romanian translation for Fedora 7, wich I 
contributed a bit. However I couldn't help notice that Fedora 7 (final) 
actually has older translations than the test releases (in romanian)!? Files 
translated months ago have not even been used..
One has to ask, what happend ?

Regards,
Daniel

[Dimitris Glezos]

O/H visez.trance(a)gmail.com έγραψε:
>  Hello,
>  
>  I was very anxious to see the romanian translation for Fedora 7, wich I 
>  contributed a bit. However I couldn't help notice that Fedora 7 (final) 
>  actually has older translations than the test releases (in romanian)!? Files 
>  translated months ago have not even been used.. 
Daniel,

the final release having older translations than test releases sounds a bit odd.
If we knew which packages exactly have had this issue and some examples of the
strings in question, we could try to check what has happened and file a bug
against that component.

(BTW, I don't see Romanian in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams, can
someone from your team please fill it in, together with the coordinator's name?)

If anyone else has noticed that strings translated before the freeze date of 17
April 2007 were not included in the F7 final, please shout out so we throw the
maintainer in a pit with melted lava.

-d


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Thanks for your reply. All the packages appear to have older translations, not 
a specific one. But as an example, system-config-network is almost 
untraslated in the final build, even though it's completly translated in the 
cvs, and the last commit was 2007-02-28.

I'dd like to register on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams as I will 
spend more time translating in the future, but where can I find some info on 
how to do this ? (I'm sure this has been asked before, however I can't seem 
to find the answer..)

Regards,
Daniel

On Sunday 03 June 2007 22:46:16 Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>  O/H visez.trance(a)gmail.com έγραψε:
>  > Hello,
>  >
>  > I was very anxious to see the romanian translation for Fedora 7, wich I
>  > contributed a bit. However I couldn't help notice that Fedora 7 (final)
>  > actually has older translations than the test releases (in romanian)!?
>  > Files translated months ago have not even been used..
>
>  Daniel,
>
>  the final release having older translations than test releases sounds a bit
>  odd. If we knew which packages exactly have had this issue and some
>  examples of the strings in question, we could try to check what has
>  happened and file a bug against that component.
>
>  (BTW, I don't see Romanian in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams, can
>  someone from your team please fill it in, together with the coordinator's
>  name?)
>
>  If anyone else has noticed that strings translated before the freeze date
>  of 17 April 2007 were not included in the F7 final, please shout out so we
>  throw the maintainer in a pit with melted lava.
>
>  -d
>
>
>  --
>  Dimitris Glezos
>  Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B
>  http://dimitris.glezos.com/
>
>  "He who gives up functionality for ease of use
>  loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)

[Karsten Wade]

On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 20:12 +0300, visez.trance(a)gmail.com wrote:

>  I'dd like to register on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams
> as I will 
>  spend more time translating in the future, but where can I find some info on 
>  how to do this ? (I'm sure this has been asked before, however I can't seem 
>  to find the answer..) 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join

Step 5 covers Wiki account creation.

We're working on making it easier to get a Wiki account.  However,
you'll need the full Fedora Account System (FAS) account, as well as the
'cvsl10n' group, and that page explains all of how to get those.

- Karsten
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[Lauri Nurmi]

su, 2007-06-03 kello 20:46 +0100, Dimitris Glezos kirjoitti:
>  O/H visez.trance(a)gmail.com έγραψε:
>  > Hello,
>  > 
>  > I was very anxious to see the romanian translation for Fedora 7, wich I 
>  > contributed a bit. However I couldn't help notice that Fedora 7 (final) 
>  > actually has older translations than the test releases (in romanian)!? Files 
>  > translated months ago have not even been used..
>  
>  Daniel,
>  
>  the final release having older translations than test releases sounds a bit odd.
>  If we knew which packages exactly have had this issue and some examples of the
>  strings in question, we could try to check what has happened and file a bug
>  against that component. 
Hi,

Daniel mentioned system-config-network as an example.  Maybe it's just
me, but I don't see any kind of a Romanian translation file for
system-config-network in either the final release, or test4.


>  If anyone else has noticed that strings translated before the freeze
>
>  date of 17 April 2007 were not included in the F7 final, please shout
>  out so we throw the maintainer in a pit with melted lava. 
It is worth noting that the most recent PO-Revision-Date for any
translation in the system-config-network package is from beginning of
October 2006.  Anyone can find this out simply by saying:

$ locate system-config-network.mo | xargs -n1 msgunfmt | grep
PO-Revision | sort

In the translation CVS, however, there are 24 files that have a
PO-Revision-Date which is between October 2006 and the translation
freeze date in April 2007.

So, anyone having worked on system-config-network translation after 2nd
October 2006 has more or less wasted his/her time as far as the F7
release is concerned.

-LN

[Dimitris Glezos]

O/H Lauri Nurmi έγραψε:
>  Daniel mentioned system-config-network as an example.  Maybe it's
> just
>  me, but I don't see any kind of a Romanian translation file for
>  system-config-network in either the final release, or test4. 
This should definitely be filed as a bug report for system-config-network. Two
reminders were sent to -devel-list requesting repackaging, not only before
final, but also test releases [1,2].

[1]:http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg00273.html
[2]:http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00050.html

>  It is worth noting that the most recent PO-Revision-Date for any
>  translation in the system-config-network package is from beginning of
>  October 2006.  Anyone can find this out simply by saying:
>  
>  $ locate system-config-network.mo | xargs -n1 msgunfmt | grep
>  PO-Revision | sort
>  
>  In the translation CVS, however, there are 24 files that have a
>  PO-Revision-Date which is between October 2006 and the translation
>  freeze date in April 2007. 
The best thing would be to be able to find about these repackaging issues before
a release. So, anyone knows of a way to check whether the to-be-included RPMs
are were packaged after a certain date (probably using koji)? (CCing Jesse Keating)

The other issue we'd need to manage is strings getting added after the string
freeze date. That's much easier though and can be solved by monitoring the CVS
updates of the POT files with a script and raising a warning, or at least
notifying this list.

-d


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[Xavi Conde]

Hi,

some weeks ago I found there were some POT files outdated; when I
deleted the POT and regenerated it, new strings were added. The
problem was that "make" on "po" directory wasn't creating a new
POT
file:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-May/msg00023.html

Anyway, I think it's important to include updated translations and
push them as updates through the update system, since it is an
important bug.

Regards.

2007/6/5, Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt;:
>  O/H Lauri Nurmi έγραψε:
>  > Daniel mentioned system-config-network as an example.  Maybe it's just
>  > me, but I don't see any kind of a Romanian translation file for
>  > system-config-network in either the final release, or test4.
>
>  This should definitely be filed as a bug report for system-config-network. Two
>  reminders were sent to -devel-list requesting repackaging, not only before
>  final, but also test releases [1,2].
>
>  [1]:http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-March/msg00273.html
>  [2]:http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00050.html
>
>  > It is worth noting that the most recent PO-Revision-Date for any
>  > translation in the system-config-network package is from beginning of
>  > October 2006.  Anyone can find this out simply by saying:
>  >
>  > $ locate system-config-network.mo | xargs -n1 msgunfmt | grep
>  > PO-Revision | sort
>  >
>  > In the translation CVS, however, there are 24 files that have a
>  > PO-Revision-Date which is between October 2006 and the translation
>  > freeze date in April 2007.
>
>  The best thing would be to be able to find about these repackaging issues before
>  a release. So, anyone knows of a way to check whether the to-be-included RPMs
>  are were packaged after a certain date (probably using koji)? (CCing Jesse Keating)
>
>  The other issue we'd need to manage is strings getting added after the string
>  freeze date. That's much easier though and can be solved by monitoring the CVS
>  updates of the POT files with a script and raising a warning, or at least
>  notifying this list.
>
>  -d
>
>
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>  http://dimitris.glezos.com/
>
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>  loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)
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[Karsten Wade]

On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 10:40 +0200, Xavier Conde Rueda wrote:

>  Anyway, I think it's important to include updated translations
> and
>  push them as updates through the update system, since it is an
>  important bug. 
+10

Fortunately, it matters less these days if something was in the
"release" or updated later.  Still, it is disappointing not to be
included ... :(

- Karsten
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[Jesse Keating]

On Monday 04 June 2007 23:47:54 Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>  The best thing would be to be able to find about these repackaging
> issues
>  before a release. So, anyone knows of a way to check whether the
>  to-be-included RPMs are were packaged after a certain date (probably using
>  koji)? (CCing Jesse Keating) 
There are queries to koji that can be done to find out if a package in a 
package list was built before or after a specific time.

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Release Engineer: Fedora