6:37 p.m.
Here's a huge thank-you to Ricky, Dmitris, and everyone else who has
helped to get Fedora's Transifex instance upgraded to version 0.7.4.
Amongst a whole host of new features is the one that the docs team and
localization team have been eagerly awaiting -- the ability to handle
multiple PO files per project! This means that Transifex can serve the
multiple PO files that make up documents build with Publican.
Docs writers, we now need to do one last split of the PO files, so that
all the work done by Fedora translators on the big, merged files is
carried across to the individual, Publican files. This should actually
take place in new branches of the git repository for each file. Please
co-ordinate with me on this -- I will email out detailed instructions
(and rationales) shortly.
Translators, we are temporarily disabling submissions to all docs
projects so that we can complete this work and make sure that you don't
lose any translated content that you have submitted. I will notify
trans-list again when this work is completed. We will also (finally) be
able to offer Publican's Common Content files to translators in a sane
way and not rely on emailing updates back-and-forth.
Submissions are temporarily closed for:
Fedora 12 (Docs :: Release Notes) - True
Fedora 12 (Docs :: Deployment Guide) - True
Fedora 12 (Docs :: Installation Quick Start Guide) - True
Fedora 12 (Docs :: Readme) - True
Fedora 12 (Docs :: About Fedora) - True
Fedora 12 (Docs :: User Guide) - True
Fedora 12 (Docs :: Virtualization Guide) - True
Fedora 12 (Docs :: Readme Live Image) - True
Fedora 12 (Docs :: Installation Guide) - True
Fedora 12 (Docs :: Readme Burning ISOs) - True
master (Docs :: Translation Quick Start Guide) - True
trunk (Docs :: SELinux User Guide) - True
trunk (Docs :: Security Guide) - True
Again, thanks to everyone who made this happen!
Cheers
Rudi
6:45 p.m.
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Ruediger Landmann
<r.landmann(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Here's a huge thank-you to Ricky, Dmitris, and everyone else who
has
helped to get Fedora's Transifex instance upgraded to version 0.7.4.
Amongst a whole host of new features is the one that the docs team and
localization team have been eagerly awaiting -- the ability to handle
multiple PO files per project! This means that Transifex can serve the
multiple PO files that make up documents build with Publican.
Thanks to all who have helped, especially ricky. I'm really happy to
see this get done.
A kind note to mention that Donations to Transifex are always welcome
and appreciated. =)
http://trac.transifex.org/wiki/Donate
Donations are used to buy books, organize developer sprints, pay a
pizza or two when we stay up late hacking, and some hosting costs.
Thanks!
-d
--
Dimitris Glezos
Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/
6:58 p.m.
Congratulation to all!
Thank you for all people involved.
Now it was supposed to start F13 Beta Release notes on 2010-03-11, but I
heard that the schedule is behind due to Alpha slip. Also it should need
sometime for setting publican style rel-note to Tx 0.7.4 as Rudi said.
Docs team, it would be nice if any update for dates we can hear.
noriko
9:16 p.m.
On 03/12/2010 10:58 AM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
Docs team, it would be nice if any update for dates we can hear.
I think we still need to iron out some issues in the schedule :(
Docs is not scheduled to start moving the "beats" (Release Notes raw
material) from the Wiki into XML until 11 March (item 25 on Docs
Schedule[0]), so until then, any POT files we build will be empty.
This process is scheduled to finish on 15 March -- Hopefully, we can be
finished not long after that.
The 25 days allowed for Release Notes translation (item 21 on Trans
schedule [1]) should start on 15 March, when there is actually some
content to translate... until then, there's only section headings and
other "boilerplate" text that's the same from one release to the other
anyway...
However, for anyone wants to start a translation in a new language, I
will have this material available in the next day or two when we finish
transitioning docs to the new and awesome Transifex.
Cheers
Rudi
[0] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-tasks.html
[1] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-trans-tasks.html
12:12 a.m.
Docs team,
I need your urgent attention.
Ruediger Landmann さんは書きました:
On 03/12/2010 10:58 AM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
> Docs team, it would be nice if any update for dates we can hear.
>
I think we still need to iron out some issues in the schedule :(
Docs is not scheduled to start moving the "beats" (Release Notes raw
material) from the Wiki into XML until 11 March (item 25 on Docs
Schedule[0]), so until then, any POT files we build will be empty.
This process is scheduled to finish on 15 March -- Hopefully, we can be
finished not long after that.
How is the progress of 'port wiki'?
Can we, translators expect to have POs for beta-rel-note translation in
a day or two?
The 25 days allowed for Release Notes translation (item 21 on Trans
schedule [1]) should start on 15 March, when there is actually some
content to translate... until then, there's only section headings and
other "boilerplate" text that's the same from one release to the other
anyway...
This may need to be adjusted by John...
* 'Translate Beta Release Notes 2010-03-11 2010-04-15' in Trans Task
=> Start date to be associated with End date of 'Port Wiki to Publican
2010-03-11 2010-03-15' in Docs Task, which is 2010-03-15
=> End date to be associated with 'Translation Deadline: Beta Release
Notes', which is 2010-03-22.
It is 16-Mar today, Brisbane time. We have less than a week for beta-rel
translation now.
noriko
However, for anyone wants to start a translation in a new language, I
will have this material available in the next day or two when we finish
transitioning docs to the new and awesome Transifex.
Cheers
Rudi
[0] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-tasks.html
[1] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-trans-tasks.html
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10:11 a.m.
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 03:12:36PM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
Docs team,
I need your urgent attention.
Ruediger Landmann さんは書きました:
> On 03/12/2010 10:58 AM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
>> Docs team, it would be nice if any update for dates we can hear.
>>
> I think we still need to iron out some issues in the schedule :(
>
> Docs is not scheduled to start moving the "beats" (Release Notes raw
> material) from the Wiki into XML until 11 March (item 25 on Docs
> Schedule[0]), so until then, any POT files we build will be empty.
>
> This process is scheduled to finish on 15 March -- Hopefully, we can be
> finished not long after that.
How is the progress of 'port wiki'?
Can we, translators expect to have POs for beta-rel-note translation in
a day or two?
>
> The 25 days allowed for Release Notes translation (item 21 on Trans
> schedule [1]) should start on 15 March, when there is actually some
> content to translate... until then, there's only section headings and
> other "boilerplate" text that's the same from one release to the other
> anyway...
This may need to be adjusted by John...
* 'Translate Beta Release Notes 2010-03-11 2010-04-15' in Trans Task
=> Start date to be associated with End date of 'Port Wiki to Publican
2010-03-11 2010-03-15' in Docs Task, which is 2010-03-15
=> End date to be associated with 'Translation Deadline: Beta Release
Notes', which is 2010-03-22.
It is 16-Mar today, Brisbane time. We have less than a week for beta-rel
translation now.
Noriko, thanks for this reminder. I just rejoined email from being at
an event for the last four days, and sent some email to both Docs and
L10n lists to go over the schedule and detail what needs to be done.
One point that we should make is that the Beta release notes
translation is a "soft" deadline. There may be some changes between
Beta and GA in the release notes content. I've reminded Docs
contributors that we should try to minimize those changes wherever
possible.
If translators do not finish their work by the Beta deadline, they are
still able to continue working through the GA deadline on that
content, which is about a month or so later. We will try to keep POT
regenerated quickly during that time so that changes are seen as early
as possible.
Are those details helpful?
--
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7:41 p.m.
Paul W. Frields さんは書きました:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 03:12:36PM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
> Docs team,
> I need your urgent attention.
>
> Ruediger Landmann さんは書きました:
>> On 03/12/2010 10:58 AM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
>>> Docs team, it would be nice if any update for dates we can hear.
>>>
>> I think we still need to iron out some issues in the schedule :(
>>
>> Docs is not scheduled to start moving the "beats" (Release Notes raw
>> material) from the Wiki into XML until 11 March (item 25 on Docs
>> Schedule[0]), so until then, any POT files we build will be empty.
>>
>> This process is scheduled to finish on 15 March -- Hopefully, we can be
>> finished not long after that.
> How is the progress of 'port wiki'?
> Can we, translators expect to have POs for beta-rel-note translation in
> a day or two?
>
>> The 25 days allowed for Release Notes translation (item 21 on Trans
>> schedule [1]) should start on 15 March, when there is actually some
>> content to translate... until then, there's only section headings and
>> other "boilerplate" text that's the same from one release to the
other
>> anyway...
> This may need to be adjusted by John...
>
> * 'Translate Beta Release Notes 2010-03-11 2010-04-15' in Trans Task
> => Start date to be associated with End date of 'Port Wiki to Publican
> 2010-03-11 2010-03-15' in Docs Task, which is 2010-03-15
> => End date to be associated with 'Translation Deadline: Beta Release
> Notes', which is 2010-03-22.
>
> It is 16-Mar today, Brisbane time. We have less than a week for beta-rel
> translation now.
Noriko, thanks for this reminder. I just rejoined email from being at
an event for the last four days, and sent some email to both Docs and
L10n lists to go over the schedule and detail what needs to be done.
One point that we should make is that the Beta release notes
translation is a "soft" deadline. There may be some changes between
Beta and GA in the release notes content. I've reminded Docs
contributors that we should try to minimize those changes wherever
possible.
If translators do not finish their work by the Beta deadline, they are
still able to continue working through the GA deadline on that
content, which is about a month or so later. We will try to keep POT
regenerated quickly during that time so that changes are seen as early
as possible.
Are those details helpful?
Yup, definitely I do understand especially the 'soft' part, thank you.
One day after this post, I had the chat with rudi.
Because it is 'soft' deadline, I rather started worrying about if docs
is suffering from 'translate beta rel-note' item. What if we remove this
task, then does it help docs to have a little more time to concentrate
on beats without porting by very last minutes?
If so, I think of what trans miss out from here then is the chance of
translation inclusion for Beta PA. But as already pointed, we are still
able to work the GA.
noriko
8:13 p.m.
2010/3/17 Noriko Mizumoto <noriko(a)redhat.com>:
One day after this post, I had the chat with rudi.
Because it is 'soft' deadline, I rather started worrying about if docs
is suffering from 'translate beta rel-note' item. What if we remove this
task, then does it help docs to have a little more time to concentrate
on beats without porting by very last minutes?
Hey guys, don't worry too much about this.
Beta rel-note is not so important.
I would prefer not to bother the docs team, and let them do their work for GA.
After all, they always do what we ask them to do. And the quality is good.
2010/3/17 Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>:
One point that we should make is that the Beta release notes
translation is a "soft" deadline. There may be some changes between
Beta and GA in the release notes content.
I would prefer not to work on a Beta release notes if there's a chance
of change for GA.
But, we need at least one week before GA compose, to work on release
notes translations.
kind regards
Domingo Becker (es)
10:58 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:41:58AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
Paul W. Frields さんは書きました:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 03:12:36PM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
>> Docs team,
>> I need your urgent attention.
>>
>> Ruediger Landmann さんは書きました:
>>> On 03/12/2010 10:58 AM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
>>>> Docs team, it would be nice if any update for dates we can hear.
>>>>
>>> I think we still need to iron out some issues in the schedule :(
>>>
>>> Docs is not scheduled to start moving the "beats" (Release Notes
raw
>>> material) from the Wiki into XML until 11 March (item 25 on Docs
>>> Schedule[0]), so until then, any POT files we build will be empty.
>>>
>>> This process is scheduled to finish on 15 March -- Hopefully, we can be
>>> finished not long after that.
>> How is the progress of 'port wiki'?
>> Can we, translators expect to have POs for beta-rel-note translation in
>> a day or two?
>>
>>> The 25 days allowed for Release Notes translation (item 21 on Trans
>>> schedule [1]) should start on 15 March, when there is actually some
>>> content to translate... until then, there's only section headings and
>>> other "boilerplate" text that's the same from one release to
the other
>>> anyway...
>> This may need to be adjusted by John...
>>
>> * 'Translate Beta Release Notes 2010-03-11 2010-04-15' in Trans Task
>> => Start date to be associated with End date of 'Port Wiki to Publican
>> 2010-03-11 2010-03-15' in Docs Task, which is 2010-03-15
>> => End date to be associated with 'Translation Deadline: Beta Release
>> Notes', which is 2010-03-22.
>>
>> It is 16-Mar today, Brisbane time. We have less than a week for beta-rel
>> translation now.
>
> Noriko, thanks for this reminder. I just rejoined email from being at
> an event for the last four days, and sent some email to both Docs and
> L10n lists to go over the schedule and detail what needs to be done.
>
> One point that we should make is that the Beta release notes
> translation is a "soft" deadline. There may be some changes between
> Beta and GA in the release notes content. I've reminded Docs
> contributors that we should try to minimize those changes wherever
> possible.
>
> If translators do not finish their work by the Beta deadline, they are
> still able to continue working through the GA deadline on that
> content, which is about a month or so later. We will try to keep POT
> regenerated quickly during that time so that changes are seen as early
> as possible.
>
> Are those details helpful?
>
Yup, definitely I do understand especially the 'soft' part, thank you.
One day after this post, I had the chat with rudi.
Because it is 'soft' deadline, I rather started worrying about if docs
is suffering from 'translate beta rel-note' item. What if we remove this
task, then does it help docs to have a little more time to concentrate
on beats without porting by very last minutes?
If so, I think of what trans miss out from here then is the chance of
translation inclusion for Beta PA. But as already pointed, we are still
able to work the GA.
I can't speak for the whole team, obviously. :-) But I think that the
Beta relnotes are a worthwhile goal. We need that milestone to make
sure that developers are getting content in. If we wait until the
Beta -> GA phase to ask for them, the problem will get worse and not
better. Rather, we ought to do a better job of observing the schedule
that we passed earlier in the cycle, and communicating within the Docs
team if we're running a risk of not hitting something, so that many
people can participate where needed. Last night we proved we have the
ability to make things happen quickly, it's just better not to have to
do it! :-)
It looks like we will have POT coming out by 2010-03-19 UTC 0300. At
last night's session, I believe the Docs team committed to keeping POT
more regularly up to date, and getting RPMs into the updates stream
for F13 so that they can see their work as it progresses. I'll be
helping wherever I can as well.
--
Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/
gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com
7:45 p.m.
Paul W. Frields さんは書きました:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:41:58AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
> Paul W. Frields さんは書きました:
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 03:12:36PM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
>>> Docs team,
>>> I need your urgent attention.
>>>
>>> Ruediger Landmann さんは書きました:
>>>> On 03/12/2010 10:58 AM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:
>>>>> Docs team, it would be nice if any update for dates we can hear.
>>>>>
>>>> I think we still need to iron out some issues in the schedule :(
>>>>
>>>> Docs is not scheduled to start moving the "beats" (Release
Notes raw
>>>> material) from the Wiki into XML until 11 March (item 25 on Docs
>>>> Schedule[0]), so until then, any POT files we build will be empty.
>>>>
>>>> This process is scheduled to finish on 15 March -- Hopefully, we can be
>>>> finished not long after that.
>>> How is the progress of 'port wiki'?
>>> Can we, translators expect to have POs for beta-rel-note translation in
>>> a day or two?
>>>
>>>> The 25 days allowed for Release Notes translation (item 21 on Trans
>>>> schedule [1]) should start on 15 March, when there is actually some
>>>> content to translate... until then, there's only section headings and
>>>> other "boilerplate" text that's the same from one release
to the other
>>>> anyway...
>>> This may need to be adjusted by John...
>>>
>>> * 'Translate Beta Release Notes 2010-03-11 2010-04-15' in Trans Task
>>> => Start date to be associated with End date of 'Port Wiki to Publican
>>> 2010-03-11 2010-03-15' in Docs Task, which is 2010-03-15
>>> => End date to be associated with 'Translation Deadline: Beta Release
>>> Notes', which is 2010-03-22.
>>>
>>> It is 16-Mar today, Brisbane time. We have less than a week for beta-rel
>>> translation now.
>> Noriko, thanks for this reminder. I just rejoined email from being at
>> an event for the last four days, and sent some email to both Docs and
>> L10n lists to go over the schedule and detail what needs to be done.
>>
>> One point that we should make is that the Beta release notes
>> translation is a "soft" deadline. There may be some changes between
>> Beta and GA in the release notes content. I've reminded Docs
>> contributors that we should try to minimize those changes wherever
>> possible.
>>
>> If translators do not finish their work by the Beta deadline, they are
>> still able to continue working through the GA deadline on that
>> content, which is about a month or so later. We will try to keep POT
>> regenerated quickly during that time so that changes are seen as early
>> as possible.
>>
>> Are those details helpful?
>>
> Yup, definitely I do understand especially the 'soft' part, thank you.
>
> One day after this post, I had the chat with rudi.
> Because it is 'soft' deadline, I rather started worrying about if docs
> is suffering from 'translate beta rel-note' item. What if we remove this
> task, then does it help docs to have a little more time to concentrate
> on beats without porting by very last minutes?
>
> If so, I think of what trans miss out from here then is the chance of
> translation inclusion for Beta PA. But as already pointed, we are still
> able to work the GA.
I can't speak for the whole team, obviously. :-) But I think that the
Beta relnotes are a worthwhile goal. We need that milestone to make
sure that developers are getting content in. If we wait until the
Beta -> GA phase to ask for them, the problem will get worse and not
better. Rather, we ought to do a better job of observing the schedule
that we passed earlier in the cycle, and communicating within the Docs
team if we're running a risk of not hitting something, so that many
people can participate where needed. Last night we proved we have the
ability to make things happen quickly, it's just better not to have to
do it! :-)
It looks like we will have POT coming out by 2010-03-19 UTC 0300. At
last night's session, I believe the Docs team committed to keeping POT
more regularly up to date, and getting RPMs into the updates stream
for F13 so that they can see their work as it progresses. I'll be
helping wherever I can as well.
Paul, thank you so much for clarification and amazing team work!
noriko
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