Translation Project on the Wiki

[Paul W. Frields]

Hi all you wonderful translators,

It was pointed out to me today that there was not a lot of content for
the Translation Project on the fedoraproject.org wiki.  I filled in a
quick "sketch" page at:

  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Translation

If anyone would like to take up the cause of creating or migrating
content there from the fedora.redhat.com site, I would be happy to
assist with edits or anything else.  Thanks for all the hard work you
guys have put into translation.  While out here at LinuxWorld, I've
already heard a number of "oohs" and "aahs" about all the languages
we
have supported.  Great job!

-- 
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[Paul Gampe]

On Thursday 06 April 2006 13:23, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  Hi all you wonderful translators,
>
>  It was pointed out to me today that there was not a lot of content for
>  the Translation Project on the fedoraproject.org wiki.  I filled in a
>  quick "sketch" page at:
>
>    http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Translation
>
>  If anyone would like to take up the cause of creating or migrating
>  content there from the fedora.redhat.com site, I would be happy to
>  assist with edits or anything else.  Thanks for all the hard work you
>  guys have put into translation.  While out here at LinuxWorld, I've
>  already heard a number of "oohs" and "aahs" about all the languages
> we
>  have supported.  Great job! 
Hi Paul, was there any discussion about what to have on fedora.redhat.com 
then?  We have a number links to the localisation workflow that we need to 
know how to integrate into online content? 

Cheers, Paul

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 20:47 -0400, Paul Gampe wrote:
>  On Thursday 06 April 2006 13:23, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > Hi all you wonderful translators,
>  >
>  > It was pointed out to me today that there was not a lot of content for
>  > the Translation Project on the fedoraproject.org wiki.  I filled in a
>  > quick "sketch" page at:
>  >
>  >   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Translation
>  >
>  > If anyone would like to take up the cause of creating or migrating
>  > content there from the fedora.redhat.com site, I would be happy to
>  > assist with edits or anything else.  Thanks for all the hard work you
>  > guys have put into translation.  While out here at LinuxWorld, I've
>  > already heard a number of "oohs" and "aahs" about all the
> languages we
>  > have supported.  Great job!
>  
>  Hi Paul, was there any discussion about what to have on fedora.redhat.com 
>  then?  We have a number links to the localisation workflow that we need to 
>  know how to integrate into online content?  
Hi Paul G.,

I'm not sure exactly which content you're referring to.  My only concern
was to see that the fp.o wiki had a presence for an important
subproject, even if it's just an interim page that redirects to things
at f.r.c or i18n.r.c.  I was hoping a Translation Project person would
have time to examine the "summary" page I wrote, and improve and expound
on it.

As for the "localisation workflow," can you hit me over the head with a
clue?  Thanks.

-- 
Paul W. Frields, RHCE                          http://paul.frields.org/
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 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/

[Paul Gampe]

On Thursday 06 April 2006 21:03, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  Hi Paul G.,
>
>  I'm not sure exactly which content you're referring to.  My only concern
>  was to see that the fp.o wiki had a presence for an important
>  subproject, even if it's just an interim page that redirects to things
>  at f.r.c or i18n.r.c.  I was hoping a Translation Project person would
>  have time to examine the "summary" page I wrote, and improve and expound
>  on it. 
Sure no worries. Sounds like Aman has volunteered to get that updated then :) 
My concern is to ensure we know what information is authoritative and where 
it is.  If we can resolve the fedora.redhat.com/fp.o content decision then 
that would be beneficial to clearing up any confusion on my part.  Apologies 
if this has been covered already.

>  As for the "localisation workflow," can you hit me over the
> head with a
>  clue?  Thanks. 
Sorry for just posting urls, but perhaps you have not seen these pages?

http://fedora.redhat.com/About/Projects/translations/translation-faq.html
http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/

Cheers, Paul

Translating Gnome Top Level Menus

[Essien Ita Essien]

Hiya all,

I'm on a team that's currently translating Fedora into some three major 
Nigerian Languages.
Currently, we're translating Gnome and my approach is to start from 
highly visible packages and span outwards.

I have identified these areas so far:

gnome-panel-2.0 [contains strings for the panel 'Application', 'Places', 
'Desktop', 'Run Applications', 'Lock Screen', etc]
gnome-session [contains strings for the splash screen, etc]
nautilus [contains strings for the Desktop icons 'Computer' 'Trash', etc]

So far... i have not been able to identify the po file that contains the 
strings for the top level MenuItems like 'Graphics', 'Internet', 
'Programming', 'Accessories', etc.

I decided to play Sherlock Holmes on the matter, and I logged in with 
the Danish locale. Made sure the menus where all in Danish. Then I 
proceded to delete _all_ .mo files in /usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES 
and I logged out, restarted my system and logged in again... but.. 
voila!!! The Top level menus are still in Danish when i log in with the 
Danish locale! infact, i'm looking at them... right now 'Grafik', 
'Kontor', 'Progremmering', etc.

My question is... which file contains these strings?

I had thought it was gnome-desktop, gnome-menus or redhat-menus, but 
after deleting _ALL_ the files in /usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES, i 
don't think so anymore (tho looking at these po files, i see the same 
strings repeated thru out the three files)

Any ideas first.. which program is responsible for generating those 
strings... and then which po files contain them.

Thanks and Cheers,
Essien

Translating Gnome Top Level Menus

[Xavi Conde]

Hi Essien,

i think you can see which .mo files are being accessed for an
application. Just run gnome-system-monitor, select a process and look
at its memory map or shared dlls. The .mo objects used should be
displayed as shared objects.

I think this question arised some weeks ago on this list too.

Hope this help.

2006/4/7, Essien Ita Essien <essien(a)wazobialinux.com&gt;:
>  Hiya all,
>
>  I'm on a team that's currently translating Fedora into some three major
>  Nigerian Languages.
>  Currently, we're translating Gnome and my approach is to start from
>  highly visible packages and span outwards.
>
>  I have identified these areas so far:
>
>  gnome-panel-2.0 [contains strings for the panel 'Application', 'Places',
>  'Desktop', 'Run Applications', 'Lock Screen', etc]
>  gnome-session [contains strings for the splash screen, etc]
>  nautilus [contains strings for the Desktop icons 'Computer' 'Trash',
> etc]
>
>  So far... i have not been able to identify the po file that contains the
>  strings for the top level MenuItems like 'Graphics', 'Internet',
>  'Programming', 'Accessories', etc.
>
>  I decided to play Sherlock Holmes on the matter, and I logged in with
>  the Danish locale. Made sure the menus where all in Danish. Then I
>  proceded to delete _all_ .mo files in /usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES
>  and I logged out, restarted my system and logged in again... but..
>  voila!!! The Top level menus are still in Danish when i log in with the
>  Danish locale! infact, i'm looking at them... right now 'Grafik',
>  'Kontor', 'Progremmering', etc.
>
>  My question is... which file contains these strings?
>
>  I had thought it was gnome-desktop, gnome-menus or redhat-menus, but
>  after deleting _ALL_ the files in /usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES, i
>  don't think so anymore (tho looking at these po files, i see the same
>  strings repeated thru out the three files)
>
>  Any ideas first.. which program is responsible for generating those
>  strings... and then which po files contain them.
>
>  Thanks and Cheers,
>  Essien
>
>  --
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>  Fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com
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>  

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hackers (and creative people in general) should never be bored or
have to drudge at stupid repetitive work, because when this
happens it means they aren't doing what only they can do —
solve new problems.

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Translating Gnome Top Level Menus

[Essien Ita Essien]

Xavier Conde Rueda wrote:
>  Hi Essien,
>
>  i think you can see which .mo files are being accessed for an
>  application. Just run gnome-system-monitor, select a process and look
>  at its memory map or shared dlls. The .mo objects used should be
>  displayed as shared objects.
>     
Hi Xavier,

That does help a bit to see which .mo files are used by which 
applications. Thanks a lot.
But i don't know which application is responsible for generating the 
those menusitems under "Applications", for instance "Accessories", 
"Graphics", "Programming" etc,

Anyone know which app does that? Is it metacity? or gnome-panel? or 
gnome-session?

Is there any caching that goes on when a .mo file is accessed? Like is 
there any thing that could lead to an app caching its .mo file contents 
_away_ from the /usr/share/locale/[xx]/LC_MESSAGES folder? if this can 
happen then this may explain my issues.
>  I think this question arised some weeks ago on this list too.
>     
oh yeah? Lemme search around see what i can find. Any more info is much 
appreciated.
>  Hope this help.
>
>  2006/4/7, Essien Ita Essien <essien(a)wazobialinux.com&gt;:
>    
> > Hiya all,
> >
> > I'm on a team that's currently translating Fedora into some three major
> > Nigerian Languages.
> > Currently, we're translating Gnome and my approach is to start from
> > highly visible packages and span outwards.
> >
> > I have identified these areas so far:
> >
> > gnome-panel-2.0 [contains strings for the panel 'Application',
> 'Places',
> > 'Desktop', 'Run Applications', 'Lock Screen', etc]
> > gnome-session [contains strings for the splash screen, etc]
> > nautilus [contains strings for the Desktop icons 'Computer' 'Trash',
> etc]
> >
> > So far... i have not been able to identify the po file that contains the
> > strings for the top level MenuItems like 'Graphics', 'Internet',
> > 'Programming', 'Accessories', etc.
> >
> > I decided to play Sherlock Holmes on the matter, and I logged in with
> > the Danish locale. Made sure the menus where all in Danish. Then I
> > proceded to delete _all_ .mo files in /usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES
> > and I logged out, restarted my system and logged in again... but..
> > voila!!! The Top level menus are still in Danish when i log in with the
> > Danish locale! infact, i'm looking at them... right now 'Grafik',
> > 'Kontor', 'Progremmering', etc.
> >
> > My question is... which file contains these strings?
> >
> > I had thought it was gnome-desktop, gnome-menus or redhat-menus, but
> > after deleting _ALL_ the files in /usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES, i
> > don't think so anymore (tho looking at these po files, i see the same
> > strings repeated thru out the three files)
> >
> > Any ideas first.. which program is responsible for generating those
> > strings... and then which po files contain them.
> >
> > Thanks and Cheers,
> > Essien
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-trans-list mailing list
> > Fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list
> >
> >     
>
>
>  --
>
>  Google talk: xavi.conde a gmail.com
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Hackers (and creative people in general) should never be bored or
>  have to drudge at stupid repetitive work, because when this
>  happens it means they aren't doing what only they can do —
>  solve new problems.
>
>  Eric Steven Raymond (http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html)
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  --
>  Fedora-trans-list mailing list
>  Fedora-trans-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list
>
>

Translating Gnome Top Level Menus

[Christian Rose]

On 4/7/06, Essien Ita Essien <essien(a)wazobialinux.com&gt; wrote:
>  So far... i have not been able to identify the po file that contains
> the
>  strings for the top level MenuItems like 'Graphics', 'Internet',
>  'Programming', 'Accessories', etc.
>
>  I decided to play Sherlock Holmes on the matter, and I logged in with
>  the Danish locale. Made sure the menus where all in Danish. Then I
>  proceded to delete _all_ .mo files in /usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES
>  and I logged out, restarted my system and logged in again... but..
>  voila!!! The Top level menus are still in Danish when i log in with the
>  Danish locale! infact, i'm looking at them... right now 'Grafik',
>  'Kontor', 'Progremmering', etc.
>
>  My question is... which file contains these strings? 
My guess would be localized entries in an XML file.


Christian

Translating Gnome Top Level Menus

[Essien Ita Essien]

>  My guess would be localized entries in an XML file.
>
>
>  Christian
>     
EUREKA!!!

Christian, you're sooo right.
I found this link: 
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gtp/translate-gnome/menus.html

And searched for the .directory files. And boom!!! they're all there:

/usr/share/desktop-directories/foobar.directory

By the way, it seems kde doesn't use those very same .directory files, 
there are some kde-foobar.directory files.

Anyways, I hope this information helps someone else.

Cheers,
Essien

[A S Alam]

Paul W. Frields ਨੇ ਲਿਖਿਆ:
>  Hi all you wonderful translators,
>
>  It was pointed out to me today that there was not a lot of content for
>  the Translation Project on the fedoraproject.org wiki.  I filled in a
>  quick "sketch" page at:
>
>    http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Translation
>
>  If anyone would like to take up the cause of creating or migrating
>  content there from the fedora.redhat.com site, I would be happy to
>  assist with edits or anything else.  Thanks for all the hard work you
>  guys have put into translation.  While out here at LinuxWorld, I've
>  already heard a number of "oohs" and "aahs" about all the languages
> we
>  have supported.  Great job!
>
>     
hi Paul,
I started New page at following page
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N  
This contains information regarding translation, but starting 
translation is better idea
It contains entire content of fedora.redhat.com page.

wait for suggestion.

regards

-- 
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