Wrong language in PO file for desc module

[Renato Pavičić]

Hi,

I don't know what was done while updating desc, but now Croatian PO is in  
Hungarian language. I hope this did not go into any distribution.

Also, once more, many thanks to whoever had a bright idea to include  
spelling and minor editing corrections together with new lines. Nothing  
compares to the pleasure to see some 500 perfectly good lines going into  
fuzzy on account of added or removed full stop at the end of sentence.

While on the subject, make up your mind - are those lines going to end in  
full stop or not? Every once a while somebody removes full stops, and  
SIMULTAOUNSLY adds full stops.

[Domingo Becker]

2007/10/17, Renato Pavičić :
> Hi,

Renato,
welcome back !!

[Renato Pavičić]

Dana Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:57:45 +0200, Domingo Becker  
 napisali ste:
> 2007/10/17, Renato Pavičić :
> > Hi,
>
> Renato,
> welcome back !!

Yo! Thanks. what have I missed? Apart from course in Hungaian language :D
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> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list

[Domingo Becker]

2007/10/17, Renato Pavičić :
> Yo! Thanks. what have I missed? Apart from course in Hungaian language :D

Not to say you missed something important.
As you can see, some things still happens.
You already pointed them out before (as far as I remember).
But things are improving.

The new is FLP Meetings,  transifex, and the new translate.fp.o interface.
The interface: http://translate.fedoraproject.org/
Transifex: https://publictest5.fedora.redhat.com/submit/module/

You may find more info in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N

regards

Domingo Becker

[Renato Pavičić]

Thanks for reply. It provokes more questions:
1. Are those pages to be official for localization from some point of time?

2. Under stats for Fedora 7 (for my language, Croatian) it says:
    "All modules	3% (900/457/25826)" ??!?!?! Where is this stats pulled  
from?
whats the purpose of stats on page:
http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status
I mean, do they draw stats from different sources?

3. Some minor items on the pages from your links are already translated.  
How can I check who did that?

4. I've just spent two hours trying to figure out how to make proper gpg  
and the other key. I give up. I will create them myself only if someone  
pays me.

5. Why to I have to create some keys (which I do not know nothing about  
and are obviously comlicated for me to create and upload anywhere) if I  
already have CVS access?

6. Dude, there is so much instructions on those pages that I have  
absolutely no intention to read them. Why? Well, this is not onyl  
localization project in the world, but it is most certainly the most  
complicated.
Dude, just give me username and password. I'm not working on a space  
shuttle or for some secret anti-terrorist organization. I don't need this  
level of security.
I have a special notebook for about 20 usernames and passowrd and I'll be  
damned if I write anything else in that notebook.

I'm willing to do my share, but I'm TRANSLATOR.

Dude!

Dana Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:03:09 +0200, Domingo Becker  
 napisali ste:
> 2007/10/17, Renato Pavičić :
> > Yo! Thanks. what have I missed? Apart from course in Hungaian language  
> > :D
>
> Not to say you missed something important.
> As you can see, some things still happens.
> You already pointed them out before (as far as I remember).
> But things are improving.
>
> The new is FLP Meetings,  transifex, and the new translate.fp.o  
> interface.
> The interface: http://translate.fedoraproject.org/
> Transifex: https://publictest5.fedora.redhat.com/submit/module/
>
> You may find more info in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N
>
> regards
>
> Domingo Becker
>
> --
> Fedora-trans-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list

[Bart Couvreur]

Op woensdag 17-10-2007 om 21:20 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Renato
Pavičić:
> Thanks for reply. It provokes more questions:
> Are those pages to be official for localization from some point of time?

Well, they actually are the official pages. Do take with a grind of
salt: transifex aka the submit-part isn't completely deployed yet.
> Under stats for Fedora 7 (for my language, Croatian) it says:
>  "All modules	3% (900/457/25826)" ??!?!?! Where is this stats pulled
>
> from?
> whats the purpose of stats on page:
> http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status
> I mean, do they draw stats from different sources?

Yeah, the update-stats script is doing weird stuff. Fedora Infra is
trying to sort out the problem. Translate.fp.o *should* be the official
resource for translation stats, i18n.rh.c will disappear. The reason is
that translate.fp.o is more tied into all our different types of VCS
(CVS, SVN, hg, git) and a lot of the stuff on i18n.rh.c has moved to
fedora infrastructure.

(Dimitris, if you'd like to tune in I could send you a log).
> Some minor items on the pages from your links are already translated.
>
> How can I check who did that?

the website: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/web/?root=l10n
> I've just spent two hours trying to figure out how to make proper gpg
>
> and the other key. I give up. I will create them myself only if someone  
> pays me.
> Why to I have to create some keys (which I do not know nothing about
>
> and are obviously comlicated for me to create and upload anywhere) if I  
> already have CVS access?

The infrastructure has changed. You probably can still use your ssh-key
you were using for i18n. A gpg-key is required to check your account
More info:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/NewAccount
> Dude, there is so much instructions on those pages that I have
>
> absolutely no intention to read them. Why? Well, this is not onyl  
> localization project in the world, but it is most certainly the most  
> complicated.
> Dude, just give me username and password. I'm not working on a space  
> shuttle or for some secret anti-terrorist organization. I don't need this  
> level of security.
> I have a special notebook for about 20 usernames and passowrd and I'll be  
> damned if I write anything else in that notebook.

Heh, yeah, *the* source of frustration :-). Let me try and explain (and
fail miserably):

L10N was a fairly unknown project in the Fedora world to a lot of the
Fedora developers and was considered as something we as translators did
for Red Hat and as such Fedora had benefit from it.

A lot of stuff has changed in the last couple of months. We've brought
L10N closer to the Fedora project, moving a lot of the modules off of
i18n.rh.c, for the benefit of both developers as translators.

To do this, we've created infrastructure on fedoraproject.org to host
stats (both the old i18n stats as stuff that wasn't part of i18n),
transifex (a web-based gui to submit your translations, so you don't
have to remember all different switches for different VCS's), invoked
account infrastructure in the Fedora Account System that's been used by
all other Fedora projects except us, set up meetings, ....

As you see a lot of work has been done already, some still needs to get
done and clarifying some procedures (like joining) is one.

If you need any help, please drop a note to the list or join us in
#fedora-l10n on irc.freenode.net.
> I'm willing to do my share, but I'm TRANSLATOR
>
> Dude!

Hope this helps (even a little)

Bart

[Renato Pavičić]

Hi Bart,

Many thanks for your detailed explanation!
> the website: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/web/?root=l10n

Hm, nope, nothing there.. Any chance that something from regular Wikipedia  
(which is localized) is used on this pages?
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/NewAccount

Ouch! More reading :S I have some big job to finish, so I'll give it a go  
when I find more time :(

Thanks again.

Now, what about Hungarian spies in Croatian PO ;)
I've tried to updated older version of PO (from my own personal backup,  
hehe) with latest POT, but my PC constanly frozes on that. I guees its to  
much for oldtimer :(

Cheers!
Renato

Dana Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:49:39 +0200, Bart Couvreur   
napisali ste:
> Op woensdag 17-10-2007 om 21:20 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Renato
> Pavičić:
> > Thanks for reply. It provokes more questions:
> > Are those pages to be official for localization from some point of
> >
> > time?
>
> Well, they actually are the official pages. Do take with a grind of
> salt: transifex aka the submit-part isn't completely deployed yet.
> > Under stats for Fedora 7 (for my language, Croatian) it says:
> >  "All modules	3% (900/457/25826)" ??!?!?! Where is this stats pulled
> >
> > from?
> > whats the purpose of stats on page:
> > http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status
> > I mean, do they draw stats from different sources?
>
> Yeah, the update-stats script is doing weird stuff. Fedora Infra is
> trying to sort out the problem. Translate.fp.o *should* be the official
> resource for translation stats, i18n.rh.c will disappear. The reason is
> that translate.fp.o is more tied into all our different types of VCS
> (CVS, SVN, hg, git) and a lot of the stuff on i18n.rh.c has moved to
> fedora infrastructure.
>
> (Dimitris, if you'd like to tune in I could send you a log).
> > Some minor items on the pages from your links are already translated.
> >
> > How can I check who did that?
>
> the website: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/web/?root=l10n
> > I've just spent two hours trying to figure out how to make proper gpg
> >
> > and the other key. I give up. I will create them myself only if someone
> > pays me.
> > Why to I have to create some keys (which I do not know nothing about
> >
> > and are obviously comlicated for me to create and upload anywhere) if I
> > already have CVS access?
>
> The infrastructure has changed. You probably can still use your ssh-key
> you were using for i18n. A gpg-key is required to check your account
> More info:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/NewAccount
> > Dude, there is so much instructions on those pages that I have
> >
> > absolutely no intention to read them. Why? Well, this is not onyl
> > localization project in the world, but it is most certainly the most
> > complicated.
> > Dude, just give me username and password. I'm not working on a space
> > shuttle or for some secret anti-terrorist organization. I don't need  
> > this
> > level of security.
> > I have a special notebook for about 20 usernames and passowrd and I'll  
> > be
> > damned if I write anything else in that notebook.
>
> Heh, yeah, *the* source of frustration :-). Let me try and explain (and
> fail miserably):
>
> L10N was a fairly unknown project in the Fedora world to a lot of the
> Fedora developers and was considered as something we as translators did
> for Red Hat and as such Fedora had benefit from it.
>
> A lot of stuff has changed in the last couple of months. We've brought
> L10N closer to the Fedora project, moving a lot of the modules off of
> i18n.rh.c, for the benefit of both developers as translators.
>
> To do this, we've created infrastructure on fedoraproject.org to host
> stats (both the old i18n stats as stuff that wasn't part of i18n),
> transifex (a web-based gui to submit your translations, so you don't
> have to remember all different switches for different VCS's), invoked
> account infrastructure in the Fedora Account System that's been used by
> all other Fedora projects except us, set up meetings, ....
>
> As you see a lot of work has been done already, some still needs to get
> done and clarifying some procedures (like joining) is one.
>
> If you need any help, please drop a note to the list or join us in
> #fedora-l10n on irc.freenode.net.
> > I'm willing to do my share, but I'm TRANSLATOR
> >
> > Dude!
>
> Hope this helps (even a little)
>
> Bart