Transifex Website translation info are wrong, keep translating !

[Thomas Canniot]

Hello

Juste a general warning abour wrong stats in Transifex for Fedora 
Websites » master-fedoraproject

At the moment, it displays 685 entries in the pot file. HOWEVER, there 
are 697 entries... don't think the work is done yet :)

Happy translation to all !!

Thomas

[Piotr Drąg]

2010/10/28 Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)mrtomlinux.org&gt;:
>  Juste a general warning abour wrong stats in Transifex for Fedora
>  Websites » master-fedoraproject
>
>  At the moment, it displays 685 entries in the pot file. HOWEVER, there
>  are 697 entries... don't think the work is done yet :)
>  
I have manually refreshed Transifex cache and it seems like there are
685 strings in current POT file.

The POT file needs update, but that's another issue. Websites team,
could you please refresh POT/PO files after every change in original
strings? If you don't do that regularly, English text appears on the
webpage which we cannot translate.

Thanks,

-- 
Piotr Drąg
http://raven.pmail.pl/

[Besnik Bleta]

Më 10/28/2010 10:02 AM, Thomas Canniot shkrojti:
>  Hello
>
>  Juste a general warning abour wrong stats in Transifex for Fedora
>  Websites � master-fedoraproject
>
>  At the moment, it displays 685 entries in the pot file. HOWEVER, there
>  are 697 entries... don't think the work is done yet :)
>
>  Happy translation to all !!
>
>  Thomas
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>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>  
Git repository doesn't have anything newer than the changes made by 
Mairin two days ago.

cheers
Besnik

[Elad]

2010/10/28 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  2010/10/28 Thomas Canniot <thomas.canniot(a)mrtomlinux.org&gt;:
> > Juste a general warning abour wrong stats in Transifex for Fedora
> > Websites » master-fedoraproject
> >
> > At the moment, it displays 685 entries in the pot file. HOWEVER, there
> > are 697 entries... don't think the work is done yet :)
> >
>
>  I have manually refreshed Transifex cache and it seems like there are
>  685 strings in current POT file.
>
>  The POT file needs update, but that's another issue. Websites team,
>  could you please refresh POT/PO files after every change in original
>  strings? If you don't do that regularly, English text appears on the
>  webpage which we cannot translate.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  --
>  Piotr Drąg
>  http://raven.pmail.pl/
>  --
>  websites mailing list
>  websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites 
We are not going to refresh the POT for the Fedora 14 -> Fedora 13
change, because it will only create more work for translators (they
will have to translate it again after GA if we do that).
as discussed in #fedora-websites IRC channel, we are going to update
the POT again after the release of Fedora 14.

-- 
-Elad.

[Piotr Drąg]

2010/10/28 Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt;:
>  We are not going to refresh the POT for the Fedora 14 -> Fedora
> 13
>  change, because it will only create more work for translators (they
>  will have to translate it again after GA if we do that).
>  as discussed in #fedora-websites IRC channel, we are going to update
>  the POT again after the release of Fedora 14.
>  
I don't necessarily agree with that decision (there will be English
text on the site for a week), but I can live with it.

Also these problems could be avoided if we would use markup like this
(found in the actual code):

${Markup(_('Fedora %s Desktop Edition') % '13')}

-- 
Piotr Drąg
http://raven.pmail.pl/

[Elad]

2010/10/28 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  2010/10/28 Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt;:
> > We are not going to refresh the POT for the Fedora 14 -> Fedora 13
> > change, because it will only create more work for translators (they
> > will have to translate it again after GA if we do that).
> > as discussed in #fedora-websites IRC channel, we are going to update
> > the POT again after the release of Fedora 14.
> >
>
>  I don't necessarily agree with that decision (there will be English
>  text on the site for a week), but I can live with it.
>
>  Also these problems could be avoided if we would use markup like this
>  (found in the actual code):
>
>  ${Markup(_('Fedora %s Desktop Edition') % '13')}
>
>  --
>  Piotr Drąg
>  http://raven.pmail.pl/
>  
+1

-- 
-Elad.

[Kévin Raymond]

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt; wrote:
>  2010/10/28 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> > 2010/10/28 Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt;:
> >> We are not going to refresh the POT for the Fedora 14 -> Fedora 13
> >> change, because it will only create more work for translators (they
> >> will have to translate it again after GA if we do that).
> >> as discussed in #fedora-websites IRC channel, we are going to update
> >> the POT again after the release of Fedora 14.
> >>
> >
> > I don't necessarily agree with that decision (there will be English
> > text on the site for a week), but I can live with it.
> >
> > Also these problems could be avoided if we would use markup like this
> > (found in the actual code):
> >
> > ${Markup(_('Fedora %s Desktop Edition') % '13')}
> >
> > --
> > Piotr Drąg
> > http://raven.pmail.pl/
> >
>  +1
>
>  --
>  -Elad.
>  --
>  trans mailing list
>  trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans 
I have thought of that ;)
We just wanted the translators to finish their current translations,
while updating most important strings only, before marking all others
as translatable.

+1 for updating before the Release date. (I will be happy to do so,
but we need to agree :) )

-- 
Kévin Raymond
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

[Elad]

2010/10/28 shaiton <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt;
> wrote:
> > 2010/10/28 Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >> 2010/10/28 Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt;:
> >>> We are not going to refresh the POT for the Fedora 14 -> Fedora 13
> >>> change, because it will only create more work for translators (they
> >>> will have to translate it again after GA if we do that).
> >>> as discussed in #fedora-websites IRC channel, we are going to update
> >>> the POT again after the release of Fedora 14.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I don't necessarily agree with that decision (there will be English
> >> text on the site for a week), but I can live with it.
> >>
> >> Also these problems could be avoided if we would use markup like this
> >> (found in the actual code):
> >>
> >> ${Markup(_('Fedora %s Desktop Edition') % '13')}
> >>
> >> --
> >> Piotr Drąg
> >> http://raven.pmail.pl/
> >>
> > +1
> >
> > --
> > -Elad.
> > --
> > trans mailing list
> > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>
>  I have thought of that ;)
>  We just wanted the translators to finish their current translations,
>  while updating most important strings only, before marking all others
>  as translatable.
>
>  +1 for updating before the Release date. (I will be happy to do so,
>  but we need to agree :) )
>
>  --
>  Kévin Raymond
>  GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2
>  --
>  websites mailing list
>  websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites 
If we do update before the release, i think we should use
${Markup(_('Fedora %s Desktop Edition') % '13')} as Pitor suggested,
it will save extra work for translators.
we just need to get an approval from the translators, they probably
really annoyed because of the many POT updates we did.

-- 
-Elad.

[Piotr Drąg]

2010/10/28 Elad <el.il(a)doom.co.il&gt;:
>  If we do update before the release, i think we should use
>  ${Markup(_('Fedora %s Desktop Edition') % '13')} as Pitor suggested,
>  it will save extra work for translators.
>  we just need to get an approval from the translators, they probably
>  really annoyed because of the many POT updates we did.
>  
You don't need approval for this kind of string change, since it's
already in English on the webpage and updating POT file can't make it
any worse. :) Actually, we have this in our guidelines:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Freezes#What_changes_are_not_affected...

-- 
Piotr Drąg
http://raven.pmail.pl/

[Thomas Canniot]

Le 28/10/2010 12:31, Elad a écrit :
>  2010/10/28 shaiton<shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org>:
> > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Elad<el.il(a)doom.co.il>  wrote:
> >> 2010/10/28 Piotr Drąg<piotrdrag(a)gmail.com>:
> >>> 2010/10/28 Elad<el.il(a)doom.co.il>:
> >>>> We are not going to refresh the POT for the Fedora 14 ->  Fedora 13
> >>>> change, because it will only create more work for translators (they
> >>>> will have to translate it again after GA if we do that).
> >>>> as discussed in #fedora-websites IRC channel, we are going to update
> >>>> the POT again after the release of Fedora 14.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't necessarily agree with that decision (there will be English
> >>> text on the site for a week), but I can live with it.
> >>>
> >>> Also these problems could be avoided if we would use markup like this
> >>> (found in the actual code):
> >>>
> >>> ${Markup(_('Fedora %s Desktop Edition') % '13')}
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Piotr Drąg
> >>> http://raven.pmail.pl/
> >>>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Elad.
> >> --
> >> trans mailing list
> >> trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
> >
> > I have thought of that ;)
> > We just wanted the translators to finish their current translations,
> > while updating most important strings only, before marking all others
> > as translatable.
> >
> > +1 for updating before the Release date. (I will be happy to do so,
> > but we need to agree :) )
> >
> > --
> > Kévin Raymond
> > GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2
> > --
> > websites mailing list
> > websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
>
>  If we do update before the release, i think we should use
>  ${Markup(_('Fedora %s Desktop Edition') % '13')} as Pitor suggested,
>  it will save extra work for translators. 
Very good idea.


>  we just need to get an approval from the translators, they probably
>  really annoyed because of the many POT updates we did.
>  
Not that annoyed, as long as everybody continues communicating on extra 
POT updates as this has been done until now. I prefer to be informed 
about updates with a kind email (even if someone made a mistake - that 
happens !!) than having nothing in my mailbox and bad surprises on 
Transifex.

Thomas

[Kévin Raymond]

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  You don't need approval for this kind of string change, since it's
>  already in English on the webpage and updating POT file can't make it
>  any worse. :) Actually, we have this in our guidelines:
>
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Freezes#What_changes_are_not_affected...
>
>  --
>  Piotr Drąg 
good point.

Therefore, I'll work on updating those strings tonight, do a full
msgmerge and notify the trans team.
I think really few strings would be marked as fuzzy. Gonna check it
before the push.

(if someone is already working on it, let me know :) )


On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Thomas Canniot
<thomas.canniot(a)mrtomlinux.org&gt; wrote:
[snip]
> > we just need to get an approval from the translators, they
> probably
> > really annoyed because of the many POT updates we did.
> >
>
>  Not that annoyed, as long as everybody continues communicating on extra
>  POT updates as this has been done until now. I prefer to be informed
>  about updates with a kind email (even if someone made a mistake - that
>  happens !!) than having nothing in my mailbox and bad surprises on
>  Transifex.
>
>  Thomas 
Yup, that's our intention :)

Cheers,

-- 
Kévin Raymond
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

[Petr Pisar]

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 01:05:58PM +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote:
>  Le 28/10/2010 12:31, Elad a écrit :
>  > we just need to get an approval from the translators, they probably
>  > really annoyed because of the many POT updates we did.
>  >
>  
>  Not that annoyed, as long as everybody continues communicating on extra 
>  POT updates as this has been done until now. I prefer to be informed 
>  about updates with a kind email (even if someone made a mistake - that 
>  happens !!) than having nothing in my mailbox and bad surprises on 
>  Transifex.
>   
And that's exactly the problem of Transiflex. Translators must manually and
regularly check some web pages to get know whether there is something new to
traslate.

E.g. GNU Translation Project robot sends e-mail to national mailig list if
a catalogue has untranslated strings.

-- Petr

[Thomas Canniot]

Le 29/10/2010 09:51, Petr Pisar a écrit :
>  On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 01:05:58PM +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote:
> > Le 28/10/2010 12:31, Elad a écrit :
> >> we just need to get an approval from the translators, they probably
> >> really annoyed because of the many POT updates we did.
> >>
> >
> > Not that annoyed, as long as everybody continues communicating on extra
> > POT updates as this has been done until now. I prefer to be informed
> > about updates with a kind email (even if someone made a mistake - that
> > happens !!) than having nothing in my mailbox and bad surprises on
> > Transifex.
> >
>  And that's exactly the problem of Transiflex. Translators must manually and
>  regularly check some web pages to get know whether there is something new to
>  traslate.
>
>  E.g. GNU Translation Project robot sends e-mail to national mailig list if
>  a catalogue has untranslated strings. 

One of the next version of Trnasifex has this kind of feature. I should 
check if it is 0.9 or 1.0

Thomas

[Kévin Raymond]

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Thomas Canniot
<thomas.canniot(a)mrtomlinux.org&gt; wrote:
>  Le 29/10/2010 09:51, Petr Pisar a écrit :
> > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 01:05:58PM +0200, Thomas Canniot wrote:
> >> Le 28/10/2010 12:31, Elad a écrit :
> >>> we just need to get an approval from the translators, they probably
> >>> really annoyed because of the many POT updates we did.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not that annoyed, as long as everybody continues communicating on extra
> >> POT updates as this has been done until now. I prefer to be informed
> >> about updates with a kind email (even if someone made a mistake - that
> >> happens !!) than having nothing in my mailbox and bad surprises on
> >> Transifex.
> >>
> > And that's exactly the problem of Transiflex. Translators must manually and
> > regularly check some web pages to get know whether there is something new to
> > traslate.
> >
> > E.g. GNU Translation Project robot sends e-mail to national mailig list if
> > a catalogue has untranslated strings.
>
>
>  One of the next version of Trnasifex has this kind of feature. I should
>  check if it is 0.9 or 1.0
>
>  Thomas
>
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>  trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>  
At least there will be (trustable) rss feed.

* News about POT update: it is coming soon :) *

-- 
Kévin Raymond
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2