Procedure for external projects to use Fedora Weblate

[Benson Muite]

Hi,

What is the procedure for external projects to request use of the Fedora Weblate instance?
Of particular interest is Translation of TuxPaint:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxpaint/
https://github.com/tux4kids/Tuxpaint-Android

Regards,
Benson

[Yaron Shahrabani]

If it's not directly tied to Fedora you might want to try and apply for a
hosted Weblate hosting:
https://hosted.weblate.org/about/

It might take a while but you'll get an account that you can manage your
localization with and add team members etc.

I'm helping managing some project, if you need any assistance I'll be glad
to do so.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020, 12:57 Benson Muite <benson_muite(a)emailplus.org&gt; wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>  What is the procedure for external projects to request use of the Fedora
>  Weblate instance? Of particular interest is Translation of TuxPaint:
>  https://sourceforge.net/projects/tuxpaint/
>  https://github.com/tux4kids/Tuxpaint-Android
>
>  Regards,
>  Benson
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[Jean-Baptiste Holcroft]

Le 2020-03-30 12:56, Yaron Shahrabani a écrit :
>  If it's not directly tied to Fedora you might want to try and
> apply
>  for a hosted Weblate hosting:
>  https://hosted.weblate.org/about/ 
Well, it's true, but I wish could have a better answer.

>  It might take a while but you'll get an account that you can
> manage
>  your localization with and add team members etc. 
Same for https://translate.fedoraproject.org
As main admin, I do first config to help project to get onboard, but I 
also promote a user as admin.

>  On Mon, Mar 30, 2020, 12:57 Benson Muite
> <benson_muite(a)emailplus.org&gt;
>  wrote:
>  
> > Hi,
> > 
> > What is the procedure for external projects to request use of the
> > Fedora Weblate instance? Of particular interest is Translation of
> > TuxPaint: 

 From my point of view any open-source license project is welcome in 
Fedora translation platform. They only have to open an issue there: 
https://pagure.io/fedora-l10n/tickets

What makes us different with https://hosted.weblate.org?

We are a structured community sharing open-source values with 
experienced translators
* Structured community: we have language teams 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Teams and a global translator 
mailing list 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]/
* we have open-source values: 
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/#_freedom

The main question we may ask, is what do we ask in exchange?
Fedora community has a budget, part of this budget goes to pay for 
Weblate hosting.

Do we want projects to respect some rules?
Rule examples:
* announce translation readiness to translators one week before release?
* include translators in credits
* allow translation of website and man-pages

Jean-Baptiste

[Yaron Shahrabani]

>   From my point of view any open-source license project is welcome in
>  Fedora translation platform. They only have to open an issue there:
>  https://pagure.io/fedora-l10n/tickets 
Seriously? I had no idea that RH is up for that, I'm so glad to hear, this
is great news!
How about a dedicated boarding process? Any thoughts?

>  What makes us different with https://hosted.weblate.org?
>  
Basically nothing, and I think it's a great opportunity for many parties,
might also take some load off of Hosted Weblate.


>  We are a structured community sharing open-source values with
>  experienced translators
>  * Structured community: we have language teams
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Teams and a global translator
>  mailing list
>
>  https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]/
>  * we have open-source values:
>  https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/#_freedom
>
>  The main question we may ask, is what do we ask in exchange?
>  Fedora community has a budget, part of this budget goes to pay for
>  Weblate hosting.
>
>  Do we want projects to respect some rules?
>  Rule examples:
>  * announce translation readiness to translators one week before release?
>  * include translators in credits
>  * allow translation of website and man-pages
>  
It seems as if this whole thing needs some extra attention from the team
but these are great news and I can't wait to offer this option to some
projects who considered Weblate in the past (once the details are settled).
Thanks!

>  Jean-Baptiste
>

[Benson Muite]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
>  
> >  From my point of view any open-source license project is welcome in 
> >  Fedora translation platform. They only have to open an issue there: 
> > https://pagure.io/fedora-l10n/tickets
>  Seriously? I had no idea that RH is up for that, I'm so glad to hear, this is great
> news!
>  How about a dedicated boarding process? Any thoughts? 
Yes, may be helpful to have
some guidelines. Where is a good place for a draft collaborative document?
> > 
> > 
> > What makes us different withhttps://hosted.weblate.org?
>  Basically nothing, and I think it's a great opportunity for many parties, might also
> take some load off of Hosted Weblate.
> > 
> > We are a structured community sharing open-source values with
> >  experienced translators
> >  * Structured community: we have language teams 
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Teams and a global translator 
> >  mailing list 
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]/
> >  * we have open-source values: 
> > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/#_freedom
> > 
> >  The main question we may ask, is what do we ask in exchange?
> >  Fedora community has a budget, part of this budget goes to pay for 
> >  Weblate hosting.
> > 
> >  Do we want projects to respect some rules?
> >  Rule examples:
> >  * announce translation readiness to translators one week before release?
> >  * include translators in credits
> >  * allow translation of website and man-pages
>  It seems as if this whole thing needs some extra attention from the team but these are
> great news and I can't wait to offer this option to some projects who considered
> Weblate in the past (once the details are settled).
>  Thanks! 
> > 
> > Jean-Baptiste
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[Jean-Baptiste Holcroft]

Le 2020-03-31 12:41, Benson Muite a écrit :
>  On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
>  
> >> From my point of view any open-source license project is welcome
> >> in
> >> 
> >> Fedora translation platform. They only have to open an issue
> >> there:
> >> 
> >> https://pagure.io/fedora-l10n/tickets
> > 
> > Seriously? I had no idea that RH is up for that, I'm so glad to
> > hear, this is great news! 
Well, Red Hat don't really have a choice. Red Hat projects also are 
hosted by fedora project translation platform, and we don't select what 
has a clear impact on Fedora and what doesn't.

Hosting non Fedora specific project makes our community growing, which 
makes us more effective, which also brings benefits to Red Hat.

To show we are mature and consistent with our values, our translator 
community should be ready to welcome projects who have different 
technical choices from those Fedora implements.

Simple example: if Perl projects want to get hosted in our platform, I 
feel like it's fine, whatever Perl is becoming less and less important 
in our community.

Sensible example: if a packaging system project want to get hosted in 
our platform, I feel like it's fine, whatever Fedora encourage flatpak 
and rpm.


It's important we are really clear about this: if it fits our values, 
whatever the project is, it can be hosted.


Le 2020-03-31 12:41, Benson Muite a écrit :
>  On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
> > 
> > How about a dedicated boarding process? Any thoughts?
>  
>  Yes, may be helpful to have some guidelines.  Where is a good place
>  for a draft collaborative document?
>   
Great!

If you feel like learning Asciidoc, here is the right place:
https://pagure.io/fedora-l10n/docs/

If you don't, create a wiki page and share the link with us.

Jean-Baptiste

[Benson Muite]

>  > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Yaron Shahrabani wrote:
>  >> 
>  >> How about a dedicated boarding process? Any thoughts?
>  > 
>  > Yes, may be helpful to have some guidelines.  Where is a good place
>  > for a draft collaborative document?
>  > 
>  
>  Great!
>  
>  If you feel like learning Asciidoc, here is the right place:
>  https://pagure.io/fedora-l10n/docs/ 
There is a pull request
>