Name for our domain

[Dimitris Glezos]

The Infra group is in the process of deploying our website on non-testing Fedora
servers and they are asking us about our domain name. So we have two choices:

 1. l10n.fedoraproject.org
 2. translate.fedoraproject.org

The first one is more precise, because we are not only doing translations but
work on the whole spectrum of making Fedora more reachable in local communities.
Also, it is in line with GNOME, KDE, and other projects.

The problem with it is that people don't know what L10n is (let alone that some
read it as 110). Even experienced programmers don't know its difference with
i18n (last week I answered at least 4 such questions). The difference is neither
important nor precisely distinguishable, especially in Fedora. Most people I've
talked with agree to use 2 and keep the technical details on our wiki pages.

So, if there are no objections, I'll give Infra the green light. :)

-d


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[Justin Towson]

No objections here!

On 6/20/07, Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt; wrote:
>  The Infra group is in the process of deploying our website on non-testing
>  Fedora
>  servers and they are asking us about our domain name. So we have two
>  choices:
>
>   1. l10n.fedoraproject.org
>   2. translate.fedoraproject.org
>
>  The first one is more precise, because we are not only doing translations
>  but
>  work on the whole spectrum of making Fedora more reachable in local
>  communities.
>  Also, it is in line with GNOME, KDE, and other projects.
>
>  The problem with it is that people don't know what L10n is (let alone that
>  some
>  read it as 110). Even experienced programmers don't know its difference with
>  i18n (last week I answered at least 4 such questions). The difference is
>  neither
>  important nor precisely distinguishable, especially in Fedora. Most people
>  I've
>  talked with agree to use 2 and keep the technical details on our wiki pages.
>
>  So, if there are no objections, I'll give Infra the green light. :)
>
>  -d
>
>
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>  loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)
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[Karsten Wade]

On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 21:35 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>  The Infra group is in the process of deploying our website on
> non-testing Fedora
>  servers and they are asking us about our domain name. So we have two choices:
>  
>   1. l10n.fedoraproject.org
>   2. translate.fedoraproject.org
>  
>  The first one is more precise, because we are not only doing translations but
>  work on the whole spectrum of making Fedora more reachable in local communities.
>  Also, it is in line with GNOME, KDE, and other projects. 
We can save l10n.fp.o for that whole spectra idea.

Since this current website is focused on translations (tools,
statistics, etc.), it seems safe to call it translate.fp.o.  Think of it
as a subset of l10n.fp.o?
>  
>  The problem with it is that people don't know what L10n is (let alone that some
>  read it as 110). Even experienced programmers don't know its difference with
>  i18n (last week I answered at least 4 such questions). The difference is neither
>  important nor precisely distinguishable, especially in Fedora. Most people I've
>  talked with agree to use 2 and keep the technical details on our wiki pages. 
+1

You aren't the only one who answers that question all the time ...

>  So, if there are no objections, I'll give Infra the green light.
> :) 
Does every country use "red, yellow, green" for traffic lights?

Personally, I've always wondered why car taillights are red instead of
green.   "Green" == driving without breaking; change to "red" ==
I'm
braking, watch out!

- Karsten
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[Domingo Becker]

>  >  1. l10n.fedoraproject.org
>  >  2. translate.fedoraproject.org 
2 is ok for me.

>  >
>  > The problem with it is that people don't know what L10n is (let alone that some
>  > read it as 110). Even experienced programmers don't know its difference with
>  > i18n (last week I answered at least 4 such questions). The difference is neither
>  > important nor precisely distinguishable, especially in Fedora. Most people I've
>  > talked with agree to use 2 and keep the technical details on our wiki pages.
>
>  +1
>
>  You aren't the only one who answers that question all the time ...
>  
How about writing a wiki page to explain this ?

regards,
DomingoBecker (es)

[Miloš Komarčević]

On 6/19/07, Domingo Becker <domingobecker(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > >  1. l10n.fedoraproject.org
>  > >  2. translate.fedoraproject.org 
I think 1. is also good because people familiar with l10n (e.g.
already working on l10n on other FOSS projects) will get straigth
where they should with a first guess.

Also, any reason why we can't have both? E.g. with translate.fp.o
redirecting to l10n.fp.o (or the other way around) for the time being
while we're filling that spectrum, as Dimitris and Karsten put it.

Either way, making sure Google indexes the site properly so it comes
out top in searches for "fedora translation", "fedora l10n", etc., is
a must.

Regards,
Miloš

[Diego Búrigo Zacarão]

2007/6/19, Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com&gt;:
>  The Infra group is in the process of deploying our website on non-testing
>  Fedora
>  servers and they are asking us about our domain name. So we have two
>  choices:
>
>  1. l10n.fedoraproject.org
>  2. translate.fedoraproject.org
>
>  The first one is more precise, because we are not only doing translations
>  but
>  work on the whole spectrum of making Fedora more reachable in local
>  communities.
>  Also, it is in line with GNOME, KDE, and other projects.
>
>  The problem with it is that people don't know what L10n is (let alone that
>  some
>  read it as 110). Even experienced programmers don't know its difference
>  with
>  i18n (last week I answered at least 4 such questions). The difference is
>  neither
>  important nor precisely distinguishable, especially in Fedora. Most people
>  I've
>  talked with agree to use 2 and keep the technical details on our wiki
>  pages.
>
>  
Well, I think the first one (1) better, because we will have a website to
"localization". The word "translate" is not localizable in URL. So,
in
languages no-english can be more easy/friendly to use "l10n".

L10N is used in our page at wiki already. (
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N)

If the problem is the people don't know what L10N is, we must to explain
more about that in our websites/docs.
Mainly in translation-quick-start-guide and /wiki/L10N/Join

A person that want to work on localization of the Fedora Project must to
know what is L10N!

my $0.02

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