TPM measurement during a PXEboot

[Li, David]

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn't explicitly mention what to do in
a PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement.  Sounds like this should fall into the
general category of kernel measurement into PCR4 and 5.  Now in my case, this is a gray
area in reality. Typically PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the
motherboard BIOS.  What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM while
the PXE ROM doesn't measure the loader and kernel image at all?  In other words, if my
chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is there any other way to solve this
problem?

Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC

[Cihula, Joseph]

You could try a dynamic root of trust, which can be initiated from a PXE-booted image and
won't depend on whether the PXE ROM measures it or not.

Joe

From: trusted-computing-bounces(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Li, David
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:08 PM
To: trusted-computing(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
Subject: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn't explicitly mention what to do in
a PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement.  Sounds like this should fall into the
general category of kernel measurement into PCR4 and 5.  Now in my case, this is a gray
area in reality. Typically PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the
motherboard BIOS.  What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM while
the PXE ROM doesn't measure the loader and kernel image at all?  In other words, if my
chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is there any other way to solve this
problem?

Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC

[Li, David]

I searched TCG and it's not obvious to me. Is there a TCG standard on DRTM?

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
Tel. [phone] (work)
        650-224-3891 (cell)

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:00 AM
To: Li, David; trusted-computing(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
Subject: RE: TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You could try a dynamic root of trust, which can be initiated from a PXE-booted image and
won't depend on whether the PXE ROM measures it or not.

Joe

From:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
On Behalf Of Li, David
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:08 PM
To:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn't explicitly mention what to do in
a PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement.  Sounds like this should fall into the
general category of kernel measurement into PCR4 and 5.  Now in my case, this is a gray
area in reality. Typically PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the
motherboard BIOS.  What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM while
the PXE ROM doesn't measure the loader and kernel image at all?  In other words, if my
chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is there any other way to solve this
problem?

Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC

[George Wilson]

Hi David,

It is being worked on now.  If you are a TCG member, you should be able to
get access to a draft.  Adding Lee Wilson on copy as he chairs that WG.

Regards,
George Wilson
IBM Linux Technology Center
Security Architect & Team Lead
512-286-9271


                                                                           
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I searched TCG and it’s not obvious to me. Is there a TCG standard on DRTM?

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
Tel. [phone] (work)
        650-224-3891 (cell)

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:00 AM
To: Li, David; trusted-computing(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
Subject: RE: TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You could try a dynamic root of trust, which can be initiated from a
PXE-booted image and won’t depend on whether the PXE ROM measures it or
not.

Joe

From: trusted-computing-bounces(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Li,
David
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:08 PM
To: trusted-computing(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
Subject: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn’t explicitly mention
what to do in a PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement.  Sounds
like this should fall into the general category of kernel measurement into
PCR4 and 5.  Now in my case, this is a gray area in reality. Typically
PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the motherboard
BIOS.  What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM
while the PXE ROM doesn’t measure the loader and kernel image at all?  In
other words, if my chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is
there any other way to solve this problem?

Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
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[Cihula, Joseph]

For those who are not TCG members or who want to work with existing systems, you can find
out about Intel’s D-RTM implementation, Intel® Trusted Execution Technology, at
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/truste...

Joe

From: George Wilson [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:47 AM
To: Li, David
Cc: Cihula, Joseph; trusted-computing(a)lists.fedorahosted.org; Lee Wilson
Subject: Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot


Hi David,

It is being worked on now. If you are a TCG member, you should be able to get access to a
draft. Adding Lee Wilson on copy as he chairs that WG.

Regards,
George Wilson
IBM Linux Technology Center
Security Architect & Team Lead
512-286-9271

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Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot








I searched TCG and it’s not obvious to me. Is there a TCG standard on DRTM?

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
Tel. [phone] (work)
650-224-3891 (cell)

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:00 AM
To: Li, David;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You could try a dynamic root of trust, which can be initiated from a PXE-booted image and
won’t depend on whether the PXE ROM measures it or not.

Joe

From:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:%5Bmailto:[e-mail]%5D>
On Behalf Of Li, David
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:08 PM
To:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn’t explicitly mention what to do in a
PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement. Sounds like this should fall into the
general category of kernel measurement into PCR4 and 5. Now in my case, this is a gray
area in reality. Typically PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the
motherboard BIOS. What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM while
the PXE ROM doesn’t measure the loader and kernel image at all? In other words, if my
chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is there any other way to solve this
problem?

Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
_______________________________________________
Trusted-computing mailing list
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
https://fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/trusted-computing

[Li, David]

Joe,

This is interesting! My server has TPM,  5520 chipset and 5650 processors which are
required to support TXT. I am also using RHEL6 which may have tboot code. The only
variable is BIOS. My BIOS supports basic SRTM (PCR0-7 measurements) but probably is not
TXT-enabled. So the questions are:

1.       Can I still use TXT to ensure trusted boot of my Linux kernel and apps?

2.       Can TXT work in a PXEboot environment?
Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:56 AM
To: George Wilson; Li, David
Cc: trusted-computing(a)lists.fedorahosted.org; Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

For those who are not TCG members or who want to work with existing systems, you can find
out about Intel’s D-RTM implementation, Intel® Trusted Execution Technology, at
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/truste...

Joe

From: George Wilson
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:47 AM
To: Li, David
Cc: Cihula, Joseph;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot


Hi David,

It is being worked on now. If you are a TCG member, you should be able to get access to a
draft. Adding Lee Wilson on copy as he chairs that WG.

Regards,
George Wilson
IBM Linux Technology Center
Security Architect & Team Lead
512-286-9271

[cid:image001.gif@01CC7D0A.E4E6FCF0]"Li, David" ---09/27/2011 11:19:17
AM---"Li, David" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
"Li, David" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent by:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>

09/27/2011 10:21 AM


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<[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>,
"[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>"
<[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>


cc




Subject


Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot








I searched TCG and it’s not obvious to me. Is there a TCG standard on DRTM?

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
Tel. [phone] (work)
650-224-3891 (cell)

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:00 AM
To: Li, David;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You could try a dynamic root of trust, which can be initiated from a PXE-booted image and
won’t depend on whether the PXE ROM measures it or not.

Joe

From:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:%5Bmailto:[e-mail]%5D>
On Behalf Of Li, David
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:08 PM
To:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn’t explicitly mention what to do in a
PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement. Sounds like this should fall into the
general category of kernel measurement into PCR4 and 5. Now in my case, this is a gray
area in reality. Typically PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the
motherboard BIOS. What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM while
the PXE ROM doesn’t measure the loader and kernel image at all? In other words, if my
chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is there any other way to solve this
problem?

Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
_______________________________________________
Trusted-computing mailing list
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
https://fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/trusted-computing

[Cihula, Joseph]

You can determine if your system’s BIOS supports TXT from the list of supported platforms
at
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/truste....

Assuming that it does support TXT, you can use it to PXE boot a trusted Linux kernel. 
Extending the trust to apps will require something like IMA or SELinux, etc.

Joe

From: Li, David [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:45 AM
To: Cihula, Joseph; George Wilson
Cc: trusted-computing(a)lists.fedorahosted.org; Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

Joe,

This is interesting! My server has TPM,  5520 chipset and 5650 processors which are
required to support TXT. I am also using RHEL6 which may have tboot code. The only
variable is BIOS. My BIOS supports basic SRTM (PCR0-7 measurements) but probably is not
TXT-enabled. So the questions are:

1.       Can I still use TXT to ensure trusted boot of my Linux kernel and apps?

2.       Can TXT work in a PXEboot environment?
Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC

From: Cihula, Joseph
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:56 AM
To: George Wilson; Li, David
Cc:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

For those who are not TCG members or who want to work with existing systems, you can find
out about Intel’s D-RTM implementation, Intel® Trusted Execution Technology, at
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/truste...

Joe

From: George Wilson
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:47 AM
To: Li, David
Cc: Cihula, Joseph;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot


Hi David,

It is being worked on now. If you are a TCG member, you should be able to get access to a
draft. Adding Lee Wilson on copy as he chairs that WG.

Regards,
George Wilson
IBM Linux Technology Center
Security Architect & Team Lead
512-286-9271

[Inactive hide details for "Li, David" ---09/27/2011 11:19:17 AM---"Li,
David" <LiD(a)cloudshield.com&gt;]&quot;Li, David" ---09/27/2011 11:19:17
AM---"Li, David" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
"Li, David" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent by:
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09/27/2011 10:21 AM


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"[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>"
<[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>


cc




Subject


Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot








I searched TCG and it’s not obvious to me. Is there a TCG standard on DRTM?

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
Tel. [phone] (work)
650-224-3891 (cell)

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:00 AM
To: Li, David;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You could try a dynamic root of trust, which can be initiated from a PXE-booted image and
won’t depend on whether the PXE ROM measures it or not.

Joe

From:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:%5Bmailto:[e-mail]%5D>
On Behalf Of Li, David
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:08 PM
To:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn’t explicitly mention what to do in a
PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement. Sounds like this should fall into the
general category of kernel measurement into PCR4 and 5. Now in my case, this is a gray
area in reality. Typically PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the
motherboard BIOS. What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM while
the PXE ROM doesn’t measure the loader and kernel image at all? In other words, if my
chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is there any other way to solve this
problem?

Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
_______________________________________________
Trusted-computing mailing list
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
https://fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/trusted-computing

[Li, David]

Unfortunately my server is not on the list.  Is BIOS support needed to initialize the TXT
chipset?  What if I only care about OS measurement? Can I start MLE at boot loader and end
it when OS is loaded?

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:54 AM
To: Li, David; George Wilson
Cc: trusted-computing(a)lists.fedorahosted.org; Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You can determine if your system’s BIOS supports TXT from the list of supported platforms
at
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/truste....

Assuming that it does support TXT, you can use it to PXE boot a trusted Linux kernel. 
Extending the trust to apps will require something like IMA or SELinux, etc.

Joe

From: Li, David [mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:45 AM
To: Cihula, Joseph; George Wilson
Cc:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

Joe,

This is interesting! My server has TPM,  5520 chipset and 5650 processors which are
required to support TXT. I am also using RHEL6 which may have tboot code. The only
variable is BIOS. My BIOS supports basic SRTM (PCR0-7 measurements) but probably is not
TXT-enabled. So the questions are:

1.       Can I still use TXT to ensure trusted boot of my Linux kernel and apps?

2.       Can TXT work in a PXEboot environment?
Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC

From: Cihula, Joseph
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:56 AM
To: George Wilson; Li, David
Cc:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

For those who are not TCG members or who want to work with existing systems, you can find
out about Intel’s D-RTM implementation, Intel® Trusted Execution Technology, at
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/truste...

Joe

From: George Wilson
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:47 AM
To: Li, David
Cc: Cihula, Joseph;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot


Hi David,

It is being worked on now. If you are a TCG member, you should be able to get access to a
draft. Adding Lee Wilson on copy as he chairs that WG.

Regards,
George Wilson
IBM Linux Technology Center
Security Architect & Team Lead
512-286-9271

[cid:image001.gif@01CC7D18.5715B7F0]"Li, David" ---09/27/2011 11:19:17
AM---"Li, David" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
"Li, David" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent by:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>

09/27/2011 10:21 AM


To


"Cihula, Joseph"
<[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>,
"[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>"
<[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>


cc




Subject


Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot








I searched TCG and it’s not obvious to me. Is there a TCG standard on DRTM?

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
Tel. [phone] (work)
650-224-3891 (cell)

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:00 AM
To: Li, David;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You could try a dynamic root of trust, which can be initiated from a PXE-booted image and
won’t depend on whether the PXE ROM measures it or not.

Joe

From:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:%5Bmailto:[e-mail]%5D>
On Behalf Of Li, David
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:08 PM
To:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn’t explicitly mention what to do in a
PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement. Sounds like this should fall into the
general category of kernel measurement into PCR4 and 5. Now in my case, this is a gray
area in reality. Typically PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the
motherboard BIOS. What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM while
the PXE ROM doesn’t measure the loader and kernel image at all? In other words, if my
chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is there any other way to solve this
problem?

Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
_______________________________________________
Trusted-computing mailing list
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
https://fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/trusted-computing

[Cihula, Joseph]

BIOS support is needed to set up TXT and cannot be handled by the OS or other post-BIOS
SW.  Without TXT you will not be able to have a D-RTM and you will need to have a complete
trust chain.

Joe

From: Li, David [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:21 PM
To: Cihula, Joseph; George Wilson
Cc: trusted-computing(a)lists.fedorahosted.org; Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

Unfortunately my server is not on the list.  Is BIOS support needed to initialize the TXT
chipset?  What if I only care about OS measurement? Can I start MLE at boot loader and end
it when OS is loaded?

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC

From: Cihula, Joseph
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:54 AM
To: Li, David; George Wilson
Cc:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You can determine if your system’s BIOS supports TXT from the list of supported platforms
at
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/truste....

Assuming that it does support TXT, you can use it to PXE boot a trusted Linux kernel. 
Extending the trust to apps will require something like IMA or SELinux, etc.

Joe

From: Li, David [mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:45 AM
To: Cihula, Joseph; George Wilson
Cc:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

Joe,

This is interesting! My server has TPM,  5520 chipset and 5650 processors which are
required to support TXT. I am also using RHEL6 which may have tboot code. The only
variable is BIOS. My BIOS supports basic SRTM (PCR0-7 measurements) but probably is not
TXT-enabled. So the questions are:

1.       Can I still use TXT to ensure trusted boot of my Linux kernel and apps?

2.       Can TXT work in a PXEboot environment?
Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC

From: Cihula, Joseph
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:56 AM
To: George Wilson; Li, David
Cc:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: RE: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

For those who are not TCG members or who want to work with existing systems, you can find
out about Intel’s D-RTM implementation, Intel® Trusted Execution Technology, at
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/truste...

Joe

From: George Wilson
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:[mailto:[e-mail]]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:47 AM
To: Li, David
Cc: Cihula, Joseph;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>;
Lee Wilson
Subject: Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot


Hi David,

It is being worked on now. If you are a TCG member, you should be able to get access to a
draft. Adding Lee Wilson on copy as he chairs that WG.

Regards,
George Wilson
IBM Linux Technology Center
Security Architect & Team Lead
512-286-9271

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I searched TCG and it’s not obvious to me. Is there a TCG standard on DRTM?

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650-224-3891 (cell)

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:00 AM
To: Li, David;
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Subject: RE: TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You could try a dynamic root of trust, which can be initiated from a PXE-booted image and
won’t depend on whether the PXE ROM measures it or not.

Joe

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Subject: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn’t explicitly mention what to do in a
PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement. Sounds like this should fall into the
general category of kernel measurement into PCR4 and 5. Now in my case, this is a gray
area in reality. Typically PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the
motherboard BIOS. What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM while
the PXE ROM doesn’t measure the loader and kernel image at all? In other words, if my
chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is there any other way to solve this
problem?

Thanks.

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[Li, David]

I see the ver 1.0 Virtualized Trusted Platform Architecture Specification has just been
published.  Given that this is fairly new, are there any open source implementations or
activities focusing on this effort?

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Cloudshield Technologies
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Hi David,

It is being worked on now. If you are a TCG member, you should be able to get access to a
draft. Adding Lee Wilson on copy as he chairs that WG.

Regards,
George Wilson
IBM Linux Technology Center
Security Architect & Team Lead
512-286-9271

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Re: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot








I searched TCG and it’s not obvious to me. Is there a TCG standard on DRTM?

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
Tel. [phone] (work)
650-224-3891 (cell)

From: Cihula, Joseph [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:00 AM
To: Li, David;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: TPM measurement during a PXEboot

You could try a dynamic root of trust, which can be initiated from a PXE-booted image and
won’t depend on whether the PXE ROM measures it or not.

Joe

From:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
[mailto:[e-mail]]<mailto:%5Bmailto:[e-mail]%5D>
On Behalf Of Li, David
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:08 PM
To:
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: [Trusted-computing] TPM measurement during a PXEboot

I know the spec (TCG EFI Platform Spec v1.2) doesn’t explicitly mention what to do in a
PXEBoot regarding kernel image TPM measurement. Sounds like this should fall into the
general category of kernel measurement into PCR4 and 5. Now in my case, this is a gray
area in reality. Typically PXEboot is handed by the PXE ROM in a NIC card and not by the
motherboard BIOS. What if the main BIOS does its job but has to stop at the PXE ROM while
the PXE ROM doesn’t measure the loader and kernel image at all? In other words, if my
chain of trust stops (or breaks) at the PXE ROM, is there any other way to solve this
problem?

Thanks.

---
David Li
Cloudshield Technologies
SAIC
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