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DVDPro and Redhat 9/Fedora
by Alan 09 Oct '03

09 Oct '03

Has anyone gotten DVDPro and xcdroast to work with Redhat 9 and/or Fedora? On my system it locks the entire system hard when it starts to fixate the dvd. CD recording works fine. The only information in the logs is an error about an invalid command to the scsi device shortly before the hang. It worked fine under the Redhat 8 kernel. The drive is a Pioneer A-05 4x burner using the ide-scsi emulation. And, yes, it is a closed source driver. Does anyone have a good suggestion about a gui cd burner app that does data DVD-Rs that is not closed source?

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Mozilla mouseovers
by Brian C. Huffman 09 Oct '03

09 Oct '03

I know this is not unique to RedHat, but I don't know where else to post this... I have an issue with Mozilla in a web app that has text boxes displayed on the mouseover. The problem is that inside the popup text boxes they try to use carriage returns and they only show up as a strange "square-like" symbol. They show up correctly in IE. I heard in another forum that this was already in bugzilla (for mozilla), but I can't find it. Also, is there any work around? Brian

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Bugs...
by Miguel Angel Morales García 08 Oct '03

08 Oct '03

Hi. Sorry I dont speak english... Im spanish :-). PROBLEMS: Evolution 1.4 => Close Evolution application no respond. YUM => List very small of applications to download ¿? RedHat-Install-Packages => Install Finish no respond application

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Talked Fedora over a beer with Bruce Perens
by Christopher A. Williams 08 Oct '03

08 Oct '03

Bruce Perens was in Denver yesterday and today, and I had the chance to hang out with him in the hotel bar last night. He had just given a talk at the Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts (CLUE) meeting. The subject of Fedora came up and I thought this might be relevant here. Bruce cautioned that, if anyone posted what he had to say, to be certain we emphasize that HE HAS NOT THOUGHT ALL OF THIS OUT YET and so his thoughts and opinion are still subject to change. OK, re-read that paragraph just in case... Good! Now - He did have some interesting comments about the future of Linux, OOo 1.4, some ideas he has for Debian and how they relate to Fedora. First, he clearly favors Debian (so surprises there), however not necessarily for the reasons most people think. It has a lot more to do with full community ownership as opposed to opening up the possibility of companies taking their ball and going home. With respect to OOo, he said its success is critical to desktop Linux. He then noted version 1.1 provides 100% of the features 80% of the population needs, and we should all do everything we can to get a copy into the hands of everyone we know. Give them the Windows version if they run Windows, but get it to them. We discussed maybe marketing it as an upgrade to a free office suite. He also said the top priority for OOo has to be font support. Ugly font substitutions and those venerable question marks due to missing glyphs is definitely OOo's biggest obstacle in his mind. He pointed out most end-users see this as incompatibility with MS Office formats and that, even though it really isn't, perception is reality. Bruce expressed strong interest in delivering a community Linux project that has a *lot* of the same features and qualities that both Debian and the Fedora Project have, but also said the last thing we really need is yet another Linux distro. When I asked him what his issues were with Fedora, he said that really he had no issues with it other than that it is "dominated by Red Hat". He said if it were dominated by Red Hat and about 100 other companies, he thinks it would be great, and also seemed to be tossing around the idea that there might be a way to link up and cooperate between the Fedora Project and what he had in mind for doing with Debian - providing a base core of Linux that is fully owned by the community, available at no cost, and something that big companies would work together on. Again, he emphasized he hasn't worked all of this out yet and I am going from my own interpretation of the conversation. He noted that Red Hat has historically done the right thing when it comes to the community and he saw no reason why this would change, at least in the near term. But he also cautioned that every company has a "Multiple Personality Disorder" that requires the community always remain vigilant. That MPD is caused by the fact that a company's first responsibility is to its shareholders. He summarized it up by saying he wasn't really worried about what Red Hat is today, but he is concerned about what Red Hat *could* become tomorrow if the values of the company leadership changed. That, he said, is what happened to SCO - a good Open Source citizen that, through leadership changes, "became ferrule". He was definitely less positive about SUSE, by the way. The other criticism he had was that RHEL AS requires companies not disclose the contents of service bulletins that come from their support contracts. He said, "That means there could be a service bulletin about my software and I won't get to see it." He also said that one of Debian's biggest benefits is that it keeps companies like Red Hat honest - just in case that MPD crops up. Anyway, that's a short synopsis of what I remember over a very good, late-night Honey Wheat brew and a plate of hotel Chicken Fingers. Hopefully, this will be useful to someone here. Sounds like Bruce has certainly left the door open to cooperate with the Fedora Project, albeit somewhat cautiously. Cheers, Chris -- ==================================== "If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' someone else's dog around." --Cowboy Wisdom

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startup/stop init scripts for gdm/kdm
by Chris Spencer 08 Oct '03

08 Oct '03

Due to repeated failures on freshly burned CD's I ended up doing a minimal install and adding packages as I needed over the network. I am curious about why startup scripts for /etc/init.d weren't packaged with kdm or gdm when I added them. Anyone have any ideas? I can make them myself but just curious why they weren't created. Are they part of another package? Auto created by some other tool? -Chris "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

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"Powered By Fedora Project" image?
by Stefan Hoelldampf 08 Oct '03

08 Oct '03

Hi, are there any plans to offer an "Powered By Fedora Project" image like the one on http://www.redhat.com/legal/legal_statement.html for Red Hat Linux? I cannot find anything like this on http://fedora.redhat.com/ Regards, Stefan

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Building a Yum Repository
by Charles Curley 08 Oct '03

08 Oct '03

I'm cross-posting this to the yum list, of which I am not a member. Please CC me in your replies to that list. There have been some questions about using yum (Yellow dog Updater, Modified) on Fedora on various lists. I set up a yum repository, and wrote up my notes on how to do this. I currently have them in OpenOffice.org format, and have exported them to xml. As soon as I get my xml tools working correctly, I'll produce a somewhat more readable version. Eventually, when I get it whipped into shape and have had some peer review, I'll release it under the GFDL. Meanwhile, for your review are a raw text export from OpenOffice.org and a pdf export from OOo version. Sorry, the hyperlinks didn't export. http://www.charlescurley.com/yum.html -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB

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fedora versus fedora test?
by Robert P. J. Day 08 Oct '03

08 Oct '03

can someone explain the difference between the "fedora" and "fedora test" lists. given that fedora core is itself a beta, what is the distinction? rday

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Certification
by Dee-Ann LeBlanc 07 Oct '03

07 Oct '03

I know this topic has been vaguely discussed on this list already, but I haven't seen anything that is concrete regarding the future of the RHCE and RHCT. Specifically, I need a feeling for whether the RHCT and RHCE should be taught (as much as it can be taught) these days at all using Fedora Core or not. -- Dee-Ann LeBlanc, RHCE Lots of things Linux http://www.Dee-AnnLeBlanc.com/

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Re: Mozilla mouseovers
by C.M. Connelly 07 Oct '03

07 Oct '03

"BH" == Brian Huffman <sheep(a)graze.net> Brian, BH> The problem is that inside the popup text BH> boxes they try to use carriage returns and they only show BH> up as a strange "square-like" symbol. They show up BH> correctly in IE. BH> I heard in another forum that this was already in bugzilla BH> (for mozilla), but I can't find it. Also, is there any BH> work around? The bug is <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67127>. The workaround is to avoid carriage returns in your title attributes. If you're doing something scriptomatically, it should be pretty easy to avoid (just don't put in any newlines and don't wrap the text later!). If you're coding by hand, you usually get it to work by putting the ``title="<string>"'' on its own line (i.e., breaking the line just before the title attribute). Claire *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Claire Connelly cmc(a)math.hmc.edu Systems Administrator (909) 621-8754 Department of Mathematics Harvey Mudd College *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

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