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RE: Fedora and the System Administrator -- are my assumptions on SuSE incorrect?
by Jef Spaleta 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Buck wrote: > According to the SuSE rep, the Professional, Pro Upgrade and Personal > CD-ROMs may be copied and distributed as long as there is no profit > involved. That was this afternoon while I have been addressing these > questions. Maybe...you should take what the Suse sales rep has told you...with a grain of salt...and i think you need seriously come to come to gripes with the fact that Fedora is going to be about the best options for a better brighter freer future. Take a deep breath...you are not going to like this lecture one bit. I sort of actually feel bad about what I'm about to do in this post. Yes or no....is everything on the cd Suse is selling opensource? Are their 3rd party proprietary products on that cd? Do you know specifically what the licensing conditions on those 3rd party packages are? Does the Suse sales rep? And it also might depend exactly on what suse product you are getting is. http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/suse-product-strategy quoting footnote 4 and 5: [4] List of packages: http://www.suse.de/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages_personal/in… Regrettably, SuSE Linux AG doesn't make it easy to figure out what specific licensing terms pertain to each package, but, in theory, this list of all included packages would be one starting point in gleaning that information. As of SuSE Linux 8.2, packages that are not licensed for public redistribution include (at a minimum): Adobe Acroread Moneyplex Opera Web browser Real Networks RealPlayer8 [5] List of packages: http://www.suse.de/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages_professiona… As of SuSE Linux 8.2, packages that are not licensed for public redistribution include (at a minimum): Adobe Acroread Moneyplex OpenPBS Opera Web browser Real Networks RealPlayer8 <--END QUOTE--> Might I add that Opera seems to require you to REGISTER and AGREE to their distribution terms of their free browser....have fun with with that. http://distribute.opera.com/distribution/ to quote Opera's FREE download 7.11 version EULA: The Software is protected by Norwegian and United States copyright laws and international treaties. You may make one copy of the Software solely for backup or archival purposes or transfer it to a single hard disk provided you keep the original disk solely for backup or archival purposes. You may not rent or lease the Software or copy any written materials accompanying the Software, but you may transfer the Software and all accompanying materials on a permanent basis, if you retain no copies and the recipient agrees to the terms of this Agreement. Any transfer must include the most recent update and all prior versions. -jef"sure you CAN distribute opera for free..under certain conditions that are subject to change..including registering with them before you do it...better make SURE you know under what conditions Opera allows you to...and for god sakes...slap the crap out of that Suse salesperson for being SOOOOOO misleading"spaleta

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Re: Fedora and the System Administrator
by Miguel M 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Bill Anderson wrote 2003-10-01 >Well if you need no support from RH .... >-> Buy as many licenses as you feel you can, you can even use these on >your priority production machines for the support aspect >-> Download the SRPMS[1] >-> Use an installed system to build the SRPMS into a distro, since they >are GPLed.[2] >-> Deploy the GPL version to your other systems, "branding" it a "Common >Operating Environment" >There is a project already underway on making a system to build an >installable release from the SRPMS. Thank you very much for you ideas Bill! It's good to read at last a smart solution to the problem instead of "change Linux Distribution", etc. Do you know the name (or better yet the URL) of that "installable release from the SRPMS" project? Cheers, Miguel _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

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Re: Fedora and the System Administrator
by Jef Spaleta 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Erik Williamson wrote: > I've recently been asked/told to limit OS releases to every 2 years. > I feel that this is fair. You might want to sit down and make sure there are no breakable objects nearby. http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html Fedora Project: Update Lifetime 2-3 months after next release Now...before you go into a hulkish rage. Look at http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/terminology.html Fedora Legacy definition. If you are interested in seeing Fedora Legacy support for your boxen to the tune of the 2 year span you are interested in....you need to be part of the discussion and part of the community legacy effort sooner rather than later. Other options of course is to talk to Red Hat sales about working out some licensing options. I'm pretty sure Red Hat a rep has been on the fedora mailing list saying they are willing to talk about .edu about discussing things. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-September/msg00133.html -jef

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Re: Fedora and the System Administrator
by Miguel M 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

William Hooper wrote 2003-10-02 >Seems to me if you buy a copy of RHEL in order to do this rebuild (as >suggested) it would make more sense to just remove the non-distributable >bits and install it on all your machines. Which exactly are those non-distributable bits? How does one remove them? TNX Miguel _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa

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Is the Print Support and OpenOffice Yes/No really honored
by Matheesha 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Hi, I am asking this as I've just seen that some are experiencing issues with disabling the firewall. While I was installing Fedora Test 2 I chose not to install printing support and yet cups is installed and is active. Both Cups and the Cups libraries are installed. I am a newbie to Linux so I am not sure if Cups was installed as it may be required for some other reason. The same goes for Open Office. I chose not to install any Office/Productivity apps and yet Open Office libraries are installed. Is this expected behaviour? Thanks M@

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Framebuffer Booting Problems...I think
by Met ＠ Uber 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

If I remember correctly from someone else's description somewhere, I'm having frame buffer problems. I'm trying to install Fedora on my Dell Inspiron 8200 which has successfully run RedHat 8 and 9. But when I boot from the install CD my screen has funny lines drawn vertically all across. It looks like my computer is in jail. I believe I have to pass some sort of command into the boot sequence but I don't remember what or when to do it, that will make everything run correctly. Related specs: - Dell Inspiron 8200 - 64MB Nvidia Card - P4 2.0 Ghz Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, ~ Matthew

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Status and Road Map
by Met ＠ Uber 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Exactly how Beta is Fedora at the moment? Would it be fine to run as a desktop, or should I just leave it alone period? The latest greatest packages is what attracted me, but after reading the warning on boot I'm a little worried. Will the full release of 1.0 in November be stable, or still the same thing. I should also say that I'm not looking for server stable, but at least something I can get some work done on without it crashing daily. So basically, is this a possibility? Thanks in advance, ~ Matthew -- Met @ Uber <met(a)uberstats.com> Uberstats

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NVidia drivers cause Segmentation Faults in RH9 and Fedora Core beta
by Roberto J. Dohnert 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Hello folks, I seem to have a long running problem here. Under RH9 I had a major problem with Segmentation Faults, everything I did would cause a Segmentation Fault (see Troubled RH9 in archives), XMMS OpenOffice. Now I have associated this with the older NVidia drivers I was using, but when I upgraded the drivers to the most recent ones it did not cure the problem, I did save my QT apps by upgrading my QT which I needed to do anyway and they work. Is there anyway to save OpenOffice, xmms just says segmentation fault, but Open Office RC 4 and 1.0.2 say this: /usr/lib/tls/libGLcore.so.1 error: Line 697: Segmentation Fault : Aborting XMMS I really could give two craps about but is there anyway to save Open Office I have tried to Reinstall these apps with no luck. The Nvidia driver is version 4363 Now to the Fedora Core Team: With the Beta release of Fedora Core I have the same problem with NVidia drivers, and the additional problem is that the screen will splash the NVidia splash screen then all will go black and I have to do a force reboot. Once again upgrading thye NVidia drivers did not clear the problem up. Any suggestions would be helpful, if need be you can write me a private e-mail. -- To view my Linux help page and howto's goto http://www.geocities.com/kane121975/ I have information on x86 Linux and PowerPC Linux

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Apt repositories for svern II
by Terry Polzin 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

Anybody got a listing?

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No Nautilus Scripts
by Clifford Snow 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

I can not find Scripts in Nautilus 2.4.0-3. I've added scripts to .gnome2/nautilus-scripts but I don't even get a menu choice for scripts. (File - Open Scripts...) Running 9.0.93 Severn Is this a bug or am I missing some preference? Thanks, Clifford Snow glass-art(a)comcast.net

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