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Unable to bootstrap GNU Emacs 21.3 (segfault)
by David Ponce 24 Oct '03

24 Oct '03

Hi All, I installed FC3 on my laptop and enjoy very much this distrib. :-) Thanks to all the people that contributed to it! However, on that new box bootstraping GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (official) or 21.3.50.1 (devel) constantly fails with a segfault when dumping preloaded lisp code into the bare temacs executable :-( Here are some (I hope) useful informations: ? uname -a Linux maunakea 2.4.22-1.2097.nptl #1 Fri Oct 17 14:49:10 EDT 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux ? rpm -qa | grep gcc gcc-g77-3.3.1-6 gcc-java-3.3.1-6 gcc32-3.2.3-6 libgcc-3.3.1-6 gcc-c++-3.3.1-6 gcc-3.3.1-6 gcc-gnat-3.3.1-6 compat-gcc-7.3-2.96.118 ? rpm -qa | grep glibc glibc-common-2.3.2-98 glibc-devel-2.3.2-98 glibc-kernheaders-2.4-8.24 glibc-2.3.2-98 glibc-headers-2.3.2-98 And a gdb traceback I got: (gdb) backtrace #0 0x007f5edc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #1 0x0815b3d2 in unexec (new_name=0xa6493a8 "/home/ponce/installs/emacs/lisp/emacs", old_name=0xa6493d4 "/home/ponce/installs/emacs/lisp/temacs", data_start=137866864, bss_start=0, entry_address=0) at unexelf.c:925 #2 0x080d9492 in Fdump_emacs (filename=174516796, symfile=174516780) at emacs.c:2155 #3 0x081334ae in Feval (form=135861544) at eval.c:2078 #4 0x0813101a in Fprogn (args=-1094580120) at eval.c:408 #5 0x08130f69 in Fif (args=-1440425712) at eval.c:357 #6 0x081335ff in Feval (form=-2009624484) at eval.c:2025 #7 0x08130f48 in Fif (args=-1440424832) at eval.c:356 #8 0x081335ff in Feval (form=-2009624484) at eval.c:2025 #9 0x08146b73 in readevalloop (readcharfun=705765364, stream=0xa13e820, sourcename=1779655604, evalfun=0x8133174 <Feval>, printflag=0, unibyte=137870080, readfun=705652836) at lread.c:1376 #10 0x08145c54 in Fload (file=1779655604, noerror=705652836, nomessage=705652836, nosuffix=705652836, must_suffix=705652836) at lread.c:914 #11 0x081334fc in Feval (form=137863376) at eval.c:2092 #12 0x080da379 in top_level_2 () at keyboard.c:1301 #13 0x0813235e in internal_condition_case (bfun=0x80da368 <top_level_2>, handlers=705746516, hfun=0x80da070 <cmd_error>) at eval.c:1333 #14 0x080da3a5 in top_level_1 () at keyboard.c:1309 #15 0x08131efd in internal_catch (tag=137870080, func=0x80da37c <top_level_1>, arg=705652836) at eval.c:1094 #16 0x080da2f7 in command_loop () at keyboard.c:1270 #17 0x080d9e4c in recursive_edit_1 () at keyboard.c:987 #18 0x080d9f5c in Frecursive_edit () at keyboard.c:1043 #19 0x080d88b9 in main (argc=5, argv=0xbff00554) at emacs.c:1666 I tried gcc32 and gcc296 and got the same error. I also tried to build Emacs without X toolkit without success. Does anybody succeeded to do that? Or have an idea on what happens? FYI, I use RH 7.1+updates at home and never encountered any problem to build Emacs. Thanks in advance for any help. Sincerely, David

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Whats really new ?
by Lasse K. Christiansen 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Hi all, I've anxiously been following the list for quite some time hoping that Fedora Core would be the solution to most of my current issues with redhat 9. I've been jumping from Redhat 6 to mandrake (because i use KDE) to Suse 8 and now back to redhat 8 and redhat 9 (still using KDE). I still love redhat 9 because it actually made it possible for me to finally entirely remove my windows XP install on my laptop. And for that reason alone i've eagerly awaited Fedora Core. Btw i'm working on the system, not using tons of time to recompile kernels or do development. But suddenly it dawned on me ? Is there any real news in Fedora Core ? - Kernel update (well, we're kinda used to that) - Updated packages (used to that too) - Additional hardware support (normally always in any new release) What are the real news ? Graphical boot is offcourse interesting (i love eye-candy and it's important to me, i'll admit that). And yes i care about boot time since my laptops is moved around and is therefore booted several times a day. Why are Fedora not using the newer initscripts that can start services in parallel (hopefully making boots faster). What about the interactivity patches ? have they been compiled into the new kernel ? Would make life lots easier for desktop users. Most people that i've talked to think that K3b is the ultimate CD burning app. But for some reason it's not in Fedora ? Why not ? Neither firestarter nor guarddog is included ? I would think that intergrating some kind of personal firewalling thingy would be beneficial. The original tool included within redhat-config-packages does not seem to do that much. And monitoring like you can with watchdog would be great ! The new Suse includes configuration utilities for configuring DHCP Servers, Syslog and TFTP Servers. Since one of the reason why i use redhat/fedora are the config packages i would really love to see comparable GUI utilities from redhat. For some reason the configurations utilities from redhat, at least to me, seems like they are just better than whats included in the other distributions. Gnome 2.4 in probably a big thing. But the file selector in KDE is one of the reasons why i have never used Gnome for more than a few hours (although i like the look-and-feel of gnome). Ethereal is still at version 0.9.13 ? Why is that when there is a perfectly working version 0.9.15 out ? Was there not something about Fedora being a "bleeding-edge" distribution ? One thing which i'm awaiting with much anticipation is the ability to use yum and apt repositories. FINALLY .... that will make life several hundred times easier combined with up2date for day2day updates. Is this just a rant about how annoyed i am with the new release ! no it's not (even though it might sound a bit like it at times). I will most definetely download and use fedora core when it gets generally available. I just think that fedora could do better ! yum, apt, new gnome, graphical boot and changed bluecurve will all be great but lots of things that could have made it the ultimate desktop/mini-server bleeding-edge distribution are still missing. And i won't even start on multimedia :-) Regards Lasse PS: Now that i've complained i've gotta do my part. Downloading as we speak to help with as much bug hunting (probably the only thing i can help with) before the final release :-)

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k3b in fedora
by Desquerre Yohann 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Hi all, I'd like to install k3b but i don't find it (using apt) ??? thanks

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Apt xmule problem
by Desquerre Yohann 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Hi all, is anyone may explain what does it mean : "Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: xmule: Depends: libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0 but it is not installable Depends: libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0(WXGTK_2.4) but it is not installable E: Broken packages " thanks

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RE: nvidia thoughts
by Hazlett, Evan [EAC/FF] 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

I have a Ti4200, and have had it working in SuSE 8.2 Pro, RH8, RH9, Fedora...etc... According to SuSE, they said they cant include the actual drivers (for 3d) due to nVidia licensing, and the drivers included in SuSE are "dummy drivers"... What trouble are you having with it? Here is how I install it... I got the driver from nVidia, mine is called "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run" --Probably not the latest...-- I copy it to somewhere on my box -- i.e.- /tmp Then, I press Ctrl+Alt+F2 to switch to a console. I then do telinit 3 or init 3 -- this switches to runlevel 3 (no Xserver) Then cd to the dir where the driver is - cd /tmp And then run the driver install-- sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run Follow the onscreen instructions... Hope this helps... --evan hazlett

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up2date update
by Philip Balister 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Before rawhide shutdown, up2date worked fine for me. Rawhide appears to be back, well up2date says there are updates to retrieve, but when I run up2date it stalls fetching header info. This machine isn't registered, but skipping that has worked in the past ... Hints? Philip

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Fedora /Redhat article on Newsforge
by Andy Green 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/10/23/1156204 ...[Red Hat CTO Michael] Tiemann also said the software world "can no longer afford the folly of proprietary architecture." Red Hat seems to be taking a cue from Sun's support of OpenOffice.org as a 100% free project while selling essentially the same code, plus some add-ons, as StarOffice. OpenOffice.org experiments in ways that StarOffice does not. One example is an in-progress Mac OS X port. Successful experiments are available for later StarOffice inclusion. Fedora, said Tiemann, will provide "the stimulus and the R&D" behind many future Red Hat innovations. And while Fedora explores the leading edge of Linux, Red Hat will concentrate on producing stable, mature enterprise products -- and, obviously, on marketing those products. -Andy

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Configuration tools
by Scott Ware 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Is there any knowledge of any new server configuration tools in the upcoming Fedora Core 1 release?

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Re: Newcomer's questions - things are improving...
by David Jansen 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:35:15PM +0200, David Jansen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:02:47PM +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 17:33, Gerry Tool wrote: > > > On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 10:18, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > > >=20 > > > > One thing I forgot to ask about in my first message - Galeon was not > > > > included in the original Fedora installation - is it available now? > > > > Where can I find it? > > >=20 > > > Galeon has been deprecated in favor of epiphany, a newer replacement for > > > galeon. > > > > At the risk of being obtrusive ;-), you can grab Galeon-1.3 RPMS for FC > > at http://lisas.de/~nils/fedora/0.95/extras/ or (for YUM, up2date) > > http://lisas.de/~nils/yum/fedora/0.95/i386/extras/. > > > > Nils > > I was doing a fedora test 3 install just now, and was looking through > the "graphical internet" category, and galeon was still there. Haven't > installed it, since I was setting up a limited box as a print server for > testing, but I wonder what will get installed when you select galeon > from the list... > > David Jansen I started wondering why I saw galeon in the package list and a little experimenting showed me I did something silly: I did a nfs install from a directory which not only contained the severn isos, but also the RedHat 9 isos. So I guess anaconda read all of them and presented a combined list of packages, or something like that. When doing a cd-based install, or nfs after moving the isos to different subdirectories, the package selection was as it should be, and galeon was gone. So I apologize for the confusion (but at least i learned something interesting about the installer). David

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How to get up2date working again?
by Ernest L. Williams Jr. 22 Oct '03

22 Oct '03

How do we start with up2date again from scratch? Since, I have been trying to update from Rawhide it has been always busy!! So, I end up having to do a kill -9 on up2date so it does not wait for infinity. So, now I think some file somewhere related to the up2date process is corrupt. How do we start again? Below is the snippet of errors: ------------------------------------------------------------------ [root@matrix root]# up2date & [1] 9010 [root@matrix root]# Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/gui.py", line 1365, in onChannelsPageNext self.pList.run() File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/packageList.py", line 117, in run self.progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 315, in getAvailableAllArchPackageList package_list = availablePackageList( File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rhnPackageInfo.py", line 153, in availablePackageList progressCallback = progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpcServer.py", line 109, in doCall ret = apply(method, args, kwargs) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoDirector.py", line 20, in listPackages return self.handlers[channel['type']].listPackages(channel, msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/rpmSource.py", line 226, in listPackages msgCallback, progressCallback) File "/usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/repoBackends/yumRepo.py", line 197, in listPackages Thanks, -- Ernest L. Williams Jr. <ernesto(a)ornl.gov>

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