Re: Fedora and the System Administrator
by Miguel M
Erik Williamson wrote 2003-10-02
>I inquired about what would happen if one was to (after one year) simply
>get the SRPMS that are released as updates, compile and redistribute to
>existing machines... but that's a no-no.
And what would happen if (after one year) one downloads
the update SRPMS to existing machines and compiles
independently the same packages in everyone of them?
Thanks Erik,
Miguel
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20 years, 6 months
Clock Applet Problem
by Amit Bapat
Gnome Clock Applet Shows GMT time even when the system is set to PDT.
In xterm windows, the time is correct. For example:
-----------> in xterm <------------
$ date
Tue Oct 7 08:40:50 PDT 2003
But clock applet shows:
15:40
I looked at the preferences of clock applet, checking/unchecking 'Use UTC' option has no effect on time displayed.
If I login as other user, the clock applet shows the right time. So I know that this is specific to the user settings. But where are the clock applet settings stored?
-amit
20 years, 6 months
Re: Mozilla mouseovers
by Brian C. Huffman
Spam detection software, running on the system "graze.net", has
identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message
has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or block
similar future email. If you have any questions, see
the administrator of that system for details.
Content preview: Alright...this is gonna be ugly. This happens in a
web-based application (OpenGroupware) so it's difficult to send an
actual URL. But here is the line of generated HTML that causes the
offending mouseover: [...]
Content analysis details: (5.7 points, 5.0 required)
pts rule name description
---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
2.4 RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 Bulk email fingerprint (hash 2 v2) found
1.2 RATWARE_HASH_2 Bulk email fingerprint (hash 2) found
0.1 HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN BODY: HTML font color is unknown to us
0.8 HTML_30_40 BODY: Message is 30% to 40% HTML
0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message
1.1 HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10 BODY: HTML: images with 800-1000 bytes of words
20 years, 6 months
Fedora and the System Administrator
by Erik Williamson
Hi All,
I've looked around, read most of the archives on this list & have seen
the topic sort of mentioned, but not directly... so here goes:
I've got about 120 machines (servers & workstations) running 7.3 and 9.
I was going to roll RH9 out department-wide, but then realized that
it's end-of-life is scheduled for April 2004, which is smack-dab in the
middle of the semester.
I've recently been asked/told to limit OS releases to every 2 years. I
feel that this is fair.
I've looked into RHEL; my "higher-ups" are VERY squeamish about paying
for anything. I'm contemplating switching to another distribution with
longer life-cycles, but I'm very comfy with RHL, and don't want to switch.
(finally) My question is this: What is the anticipated life-cycle for
Fedora releases? I know that there will be core updates every four
months - by 'core' I gather this means kernel, gcc, glib, X, etc... but
how long will a core release last - is it based on popularity/stability?
I've seen lots of talk about other companies that provide support for
end-of-life RH releases, and can assume that it will continue with
Fedora, but for a university with a $50M+ defeceit this year, paying is
not an option.
Any thoughts/views would be greatly appreciated -
Cheers & Thanks!
Erik.
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e r i k w i l l i a m s o n erik(a)cpsc.ucalgary.ca
system admin . department of computer science . university of calgary
20 years, 6 months
Boot Problem
by Ozkan ALTUNER
Hi,
I downloaded and installed severn. After successful installation it doesn't
boot at all. I see the graphical boot screen but when it comes to "starting
printing system" it hangs.
How can i solve it?
Thanks,
Ozkan
20 years, 6 months
Re: Fedora and the System Administrator -- "have" -> "had"
by David Jansen
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 07:58:10AM -0500, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 07:41, Paul Gear wrote:
> > That's not what they claim. At http://fedora.redhat.com/about/rhel.html
> > they claim Fedora is for "Early adopters, enthusiasts, developers". The
> > rest of their products (WS, ES, AS) are for business. There is no
> > "consumer" product.
>
> Okay, change my "have" to "had" and I am now correct. Red Hat _used_ to
> refer to the RHL series as "consumer."
>
> Fedora is no longer "consumer" like RHL was. I stand corrected.
>
> We now have "Fedora" and "enterprise" : "ethusiast" and "business"
Thanks, that sums up what was on my mind while catching up on the last
couple of days of this list.
Let's home Fedora Legacy can provide the missing middle road between the
two existing options. Or some other third-party support service, we will
see what the future may bring.
David (who is also looking into ways to convince work (= university) to
allocate some budget for RHEL...)
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20 years, 6 months
Re: RE: Fedora and the System Administrator -- are my assumptions onSuSE incorrect?
by griffisb＠bellsouth.net
>
> Thanks, Bruce.
>
> If you are calling an older computer a "LUG" I have an IBM PC 300PL that
> I am using for that purpose. I have spent the last three days trying to
> get it to work. I just downloaded everything but the source code to a
> shared folder on my Windows computer but I still have a problem as I
> don't know what network card is in the IBM. This isn't the list for
> support on SUSE, (I am subscribed) so I won't ask for help here.
>
> I'll check out Fedora when it is actually released. Right now I just
> want a working Linux.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Buck
Nah - LUG would be a Linux User's Group - although the IBM might be a LUG, too -lol. Anyway- have you tried (er, ahem) Red Hat 9.0? You can download the ISO's and burn them to CD. Since Fedora is based on RH Consumer's Version, 9.0 might be a good place to start. I'm seriously thinking about kicking myself in that direction. I need to load up a laptop for my sister and mail it out to her. I was thinking of using Fedora, but was kindly and gently reminded that Fedora is beta - so I'll probably install RH, then go to Fedora when I visit her.
Another alternative would be to download Knoppix. It has good hardware detection. You could boot up Knoppix (it runs from CD) and see if it detects your Ethernet card. If so, you can do an lsmod to try and see the modules loaded for your Ethernet card. Since Knoppix runs from CD, you can use it as a rescue disk in case your installation gets hosed.
I'm not one to talk about trying RH. I haven't tried it yet - but it is on my short list. I've tried 3 other distributions and have combed through the "Running Linux 4th Edition" and "Multitool Linux" books. I downloaded the RH9.0 ISO's, but will probably just buy a boxed set so I can include a user's guide when I ship the laptop to my Sis.
20 years, 6 months
any decent docs on the new 2.6.0-based /etc/modprobe.conf?
by Robert P. J. Day
is there somewhere a decent intro on the new /etc/modprobe.conf file?
i've been running a 2.6.0-test kernel for a while now, but i've hung
on to my /etc/modules.conf file.
as a test this morning, i ran /sbin/generate-modprobe just to see
the output. the first time i tried it, i got a fairly lengthy output,
which was fine, as i noticed the utility was pulling information out
of /etc/modprobe.conf.dist.
the second time i ran it, it simply kept running and running and ...
and when i looked in /tmp, there were almost 4000 files with the name
/tmp/modprobe*, and /etc/modprobe.conf.dist was now empty. not
surprisingly, i don't really trust this program any more.
so, any decent HOWTOs on this?
rday
20 years, 6 months
NVidia on Severn2 -> It works.
by Rodrigo Del C. Andrade
First thing that happened when I installed the beta was the lack of X,
'cause I have a GeForce4, so if ppl are goin to install and use a NVidia
models GeForce or Tnt (I cant garantee for quadro or others), this info
will come in handy.
Here is how I installed NVidia drivers on Severn release 2:
Download the latest driver:
wget
ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-4496/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0...
If you try to run this as is, you will only got an error when it tries
to recompile a module for our kernel acusing diferent compilers, so lets
do this at comand line:
./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run --add-this-kernel
Gotta thanks the NVidia programmers for that one.
After it all done you can run the new installer:
./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2-custom.run
and everything should be fine. Update /etc/X11/XFree86Config you it
wasnt already prepared for their drivers and have fun with your bug
hunting with the possibility to watch dvds on tv-out during breaks :)
Vantroy
ps: Is this the definitive logo for Fedora Core? It is kinda ... basic...
ps2: I upgraded from Shrike and couldnt select pckages. Thats bad :(
20 years, 7 months
Re: Upgrade process for Fedora?
by Jef Spaleta
griffisb wrote:
> I'm considering installing Fedora on a new laptop and wanted to know
> what the upgrade process is. I am not familiar with Red Hat, so
> familiarity with Fedora is nill.
Right now the only thing available are TEST releases of Fedora Core.
It's very important to recognize that running TEST/BETA releases comes
with inherent risks. Once you install a test/beta release the
expectation that it will upgrade cleanly to the next official release is
unfounded. The expectation that a test2->test3 upgrade will run smoothly
is also unfounded. You have to think of the goals involved with the test
release process. The point of the test release process is to make it so
that you can upgrade from previous official releases to newer official
releases. If you upgrade from official->test or test->test or
test->official, then you should be expecting breakage...becuase the
engineering goals for the test releases are focused on making
official->official upgrades smooth.
I do have some experience with Mandrake, SuSE and Debian,though.
> If I install Severn (Test 2?), how would I upgrade to Severn (Test 3?)
when it comes out?
Better question...is upgrading from test2 to test3 WORTH testing?
The point of the test releases is to do testing....the upgrade path that
NEEDS testing is from rhl9,8,7.x->Fedora Core 1. Test3 will potential
have packaging fixes that make it impossible to cleanly upgrade from
test2 to test3. If you upgrade from test2 to test3...will the packagers
care much for your bugreports on the problems? My understanding that
making sure test2->test3 upgrades work correctly is a low priority in
the infinite list of things that should be working better.
> Would I need to download the ISOs and burn them to CD again? Or is
> there a Debian-like apt-get update, apt-get upgrade?
There are very clever ways to attempt to upgrade from test2->test3. And
they all fall in the "works for me" category sometimes. But if there is
a problem, you very well might not get much love from the bugzilla
trackers on the issues you have, becuase its outside the expected
upgrade path.
> When General Availability comes out in November, would I be burning
> another set of CD's?
general rule....there is no expected clean upgrade path from beta/test
releases. It can be done, it will most likely not be done as cleanly as
an official release->official release upgrade path. This is one of the
risks beta testers have to except as part of the process. The goal of
beta testing..is to not make beta testing easy...but to make official
release upgrading easy. Burn development to to ensure that test releases
will upgrade clean can very much get in the way of the technical
measures that need to happen to make sure official releases upgrade
well. Not all solutions are win-win, works for all situations,
solutions. If something has to be done to make an official->official
upgrade work well, at the cost of test->official upgrade...so be
it...the test/beta installers are told that test/beta releases are prone
to breakage...upgrading from them is no different.
> Would it be expecting too much to install Fedora, burn CD's as it goes
> GA, then ship and talk her through the upgrade process? Since Fedora >
is based on RH 9.0 (if I read right), could I assume RH9.0 User Guides >
would be appropriate?
this is TEST release...if she isn't competent enough to be an active
participant in the testing process...submitting bugreports and giving
feedback to developers about those bugs...she should NOT be trying to
use the fedora core 0.94 test release on a day to day basis. There is an
inherent expectation in the test/beta release that something could
serious break, and the people running the test/beta release better
understand that, and be prepared to give feedback on the bugs they find.
Wait for the official release of Fedora Core.
-jef
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20 years, 7 months
