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Can't find OpenOffice
by Simon Schwarz 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

Hi, I'am dump? I've installed OO correctly (via the Package Management) but there is no link and i can't find it if i search in the FS. Any idea what's wrong? THX! Simon

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RE: hoax or bad taste joke by Redhat's CEO?
by Cannon, Andrew 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

See my previous post, but they didn't say that linux was not ready for the desktop market, just the consumer market. They will still be supporting educational use. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Black [mailto:black_771@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:43 PM To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com Subject: RE: hoax or bad taste joke by Redhat's CEO? > Feel sorry for this, but GNU/Linux is not ready for the > desktop market, at least for the average user. I've been saying this for a while too, but as both a RedHat stockholder and administrator, I don't like to see this one bit. Once installed, the "basics" of computer use are there and VERY easy to use. For a true computer newbie, such as our elementary age kids, there is nothing to "unlearn". A perfect canvas to build the future of desktop Linux. I think RedHat missed on this one and apparently I'm not alone. To see this news on the same day as the SuSe\Novell announcement sent the stock down sharply. Is anyone listening? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list(a)redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list NNC's UK Operating Companies : NNC Holdings Limited (no. 3725076), NNC Limited (no. 1120437), National Nuclear Corporation Limited (no. 2290928), STATS-NNC Limited (no. 4339062) and Technica-NNC Limited (no. 235856). The registered office of each company is at Booths Hall, Chelford Road, Knutsford, Cheshire WA16 8QZ except for Technica-NNC Limited whose registered office is at 6 Union Row, Aberdeen AB10 1DQ. NNC's head office and principal address is Booths Hall and the switchboard number is 01565 633800. The NNC website is www.nnc.co.uk This email and any files transmitted with it have been sent to you by the relevant UK operating company and are confidential and intended for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the NNC system manager by e-mail at eadm(a)nnc.co.uk.

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BitTorrent Questions
by Justin L Croonenberghs 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

Hey all, just a quick question, if I may: Is there a BitTorrent download available for the current beta's ISO images? I typically have bad luck with FTP downloads, being behind a firewall and all.... -- Justin L Croonenberghs http://www.geekstuff.info/ "You're not a freak, you're just stupid!"

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Can I use Older redhat linux kernel in Fedora?
by Antti Aspinen 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

The main point is that can I patch older linux kernel to kernel that includes that bootsplash and it still works with other Fedora components? And then make it a .rpm paket? So that it can be installed to diffirent system thought anaconda? -Antti-

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RE: hoax or bad taste joke by Redhat's CEO?
by LoBue, Mark 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Hearns [mailto:john.hearns@clustervision.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:31 AM > To: 'fedora-list(a)redhat.com' > Subject: RE: hoax or bad taste joke by Redhat's CEO? > > > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, LoBue, Mark wrote: > > > Hey, I wasn't asking for a free program, just any program. > Macromedia won't > > write it, Quicken won't write it. > Politely - they WILL if there is a demand. Or someone else will. > Think of Visicalc.. > > > How could I possibly have the resources > > to meet with the bank, get transaction download specs, etc. > I'll pay for > > Quicken for Linux, but I don't have the time to write that. > OK - but some Perl wizard might. > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2003/01/22/mechanize.html > That is a good article, but, there is more detail in the direct Quicken interface to the bank than online banking provides. I'll give it some thought. -Mark

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RE: hoax or bad taste joke by Redhat's CEO?
by LoBue, Mark 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Hearns [mailto:john.hearns@clustervision.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:11 AM > To: 'fedora-list(a)redhat.com' > Subject: RE: hoax or bad taste joke by Redhat's CEO? > > > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, LoBue, Mark wrote: > > > "checkbook". Is there any software that will directly > connect to my bank's > > website and download transactions the way Quicken does? > How about the > > American Express and Discover sites? Quicken does that. > > > Market forces. > > Having just ranted against closed source DRIVERS (note the emphasis), > I don't see anything wrong with commercial software packages. > If enough of you and your friends get together and offer to pay > $$$ for a package to do that, it will appear. > Same as Quicken - someone had to sit down and write it and sell it. > (sorry if I'm talking twaddel and Quicken is free as in beer. > But I don't think it is). > > Heck - write one yourself. Start with Perl screen scraping code. > Hey, I wasn't asking for a free program, just any program. Macromedia won't write it, Quicken won't write it. How could I possibly have the resources to meet with the bank, get transaction download specs, etc. I'll pay for Quicken for Linux, but I don't have the time to write that. I'm just pointing out that RH9 is not good enough on the internet front even (especially) for kids. -Mark

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RE: Matthew Szulik is Stupid
by Cannon, Andrew 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

I have to take issue with this posting. Nowhere in the interview (the one I've read anyway), does Matt Szulik say that linux is not ready for the desktop. He says that the consumer market is not ready for Linux, and it isn't. How easy do sysadmins find adding new hardware to linux? How easy is it to get the 3D rendering on an NVidia FX graphics card in linux? To quote the ZDnet article: Matthew Szulik, chief executive of Linux vendor Red Hat, said on Monday that although Linux is capable of exceeding expectations for corporate users, home users should stick with Windows: "I would say that for the consumer market place, Windows probably continues to be the right product line," he said. "I would argue that from the device-driver standpoint and perhaps some of the other traditional functionality, for that classic consumer purchaser, it is my view that (Linux) technology needs to mature a little bit more." Where in there does he say that linux is not ready for the desktop? Let's stop and think about this before blowing our collective top. Where does Red Hat get most of it's revenue from? Not the consumer certainly. (How many of us actually buy our Red Hat CDs?) The Enterprise is where Red Hat are making their money. It makes sense to concentrate on the Enterprise market. Again from ZDnet: However, Szulik expects Linux to be ready in a couple of years after it has had time to mature. In the mean time, he is adamant that corporate users would be surprised by how much the operating system has to offer. "Consumers want USB drivers and digital camera support; but for the enterprise desktop, that is a little bit different -- that area is ripe," he said. "We think that the enterprise desktop market place is much more strategic and has buyers whose needs we can exceed." So he is not saying that RH is deserting the desktop market, just the home consumer. How many home consumers have got the time to install a second OS that doesn't play the games they want to play, needs lots of tweaking to get their printer to work, and will cost them money? Yes Windows is cr*p, but it IS easy to use for the average home user. Just my 2p. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Chris [mailto:tkchris@nvbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:33 PM To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com Subject: Re: Matthew Szulik is Stupid I think Matthew Szulik is a total moron. He should not have said those things about Linux not being ready for the desktop. I don't care if you think he is right or wrong, he just should not have said something like that. What a stupid moron. Oh, and Redhat stock has dropped like 30% in value in the past two days. Good going Stuplik. Oh, and I am going to be selling my RHAT stock now, because the CEO has his head lodged up his butt. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list(a)redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list NNC's UK Operating Companies : NNC Holdings Limited (no. 3725076), NNC Limited (no. 1120437), National Nuclear Corporation Limited (no. 2290928), STATS-NNC Limited (no. 4339062) and Technica-NNC Limited (no. 235856). The registered office of each company is at Booths Hall, Chelford Road, Knutsford, Cheshire WA16 8QZ except for Technica-NNC Limited whose registered office is at 6 Union Row, Aberdeen AB10 1DQ. NNC's head office and principal address is Booths Hall and the switchboard number is 01565 633800. The NNC website is www.nnc.co.uk This email and any files transmitted with it have been sent to you by the relevant UK operating company and are confidential and intended for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the NNC system manager by e-mail at eadm(a)nnc.co.uk.

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Problems with the Package System
by Simon Schwarz 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

Hi, I have problems with the Package System. I need to install the kernel source because of the NVIDIA drivers. After selecting the needed package and click on update the window with "blalabla need CD-ROM number 3" appears but the right CD is in the drive. This window comes as often I click on OK. Is this error known? Any suggestions? Thanks! Simon P.S: My mother language is german. Please forgive me some errors ;)

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Is there an announcement list as well?
by Christian Schlaefcke 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

Hi Folks, I´m running RH9 at the moment and folled the news about RH´s ambition to outsource the community-edition of the distribution to the fedora project. At the moment my system is stable and running well but I also want to follow the development within the fedora project. On the RH site I just found this mailing list and a developers mailing list. Because I don´t want to read all the stuff in this list (although it is interesting most of the time), I wonder if there is an announcement-only list for this project? Thank you for any information! Regards, Chris

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What about BootSplash?
by Antti Aspinen 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

http://www.bootsplash.org/ Can you gyes get that supported by Fedora Linux-kernel ? That would be cool "eye-candy" and by the way SuSE supports it already. I wanted couple years ago that RedHat should add that to their system. Is it possible to get it finaly to fedora? -AnXa-

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