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eol rh9-ximian and fedora...?
by Tim Kossack 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

hi, i just received (not surprisingly) the end-of-life notification from rhn for red hat 9. i'm currently using xd2 atop rh9, and afaik, red carpet uses my (free) subscription of rhn as a channel, means all the files/programs which haven't been replaced by ximians own (xd2-specific) are updated with the files/programs provided by red hat. now, if "Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004", do i have to install fedora afresh (because an update to fedora atop xd2 is afaik not possible) and then xd2/3 again (if ximian will continue to provide xd for fedora) to have my entire installation bugfixed (afaik i can use my existing rhn-channel with fedora as i currently do with rh9), or will ximian provide the bugfixing for the former rhn-provided rh9-parts, or... so what exactly is the way to go for xd-users such as myself? would be nice if someone could fill me in! thx.

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RE: "Granny - Just edit your Registry!" Re: hoax or bad taste jok e by Redhat's CEO?
by Cannon, Andrew 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

Linux is not ready for the home market. It's that simple. Yes, it has got good quality applications and it is more secure than Window$, BUT and it is a big but, the vast majority of M$ users use the computer to play games at some point. How many of them, do you think, want to download 2GB of ISO's, burn the disks and then have the technical savvy to know what a partition is, let alone what size each one should be? Yes, they can buy the CD retail pack, but what 'typical' pc user is going to want to spend £50+ on a second operating system, when the one that they have got runs their games, is able to go on the internet and prints off their letters with the minimum of messing around? Linux has got a long way to go before it can approach M$ in the 'usability' stakes. Just my 2p. Andy NNC's UK Operating Companies : NNC Holdings Limited (no. 3725076), NNC Limited (no. 1120437), National Nuclear Corporation Limited (no. 2290928), STATS-NNC Limited (no. 4339062) and Technica-NNC Limited (no. 235856). The registered office of each company is at Booths Hall, Chelford Road, Knutsford, Cheshire WA16 8QZ except for Technica-NNC Limited whose registered office is at 6 Union Row, Aberdeen AB10 1DQ. NNC's head office and principal address is Booths Hall and the switchboard number is 01565 633800. The NNC website is www.nnc.co.uk This email and any files transmitted with it have been sent to you by the relevant UK operating company and are confidential and intended for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the NNC system manager by e-mail at eadm(a)nnc.co.uk.

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mirror suggestion
by Matthew Boeckman 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

Hello list, I wanted to post a suggestion. It seems that only a very small handful of the 'redhat mirrors' actually carry severn. I tried > 12 mirrors that I've used in the past, not a one had it. After asking on IRC, I got one mirror. So far, bandwidth to it is about 5K/s (not my end), and of course ftp.redhat.com is hosted on a dialup. So my suggestion is simply to state the importance of mirror penetration, espescially before the upcoming release of core1. At least have a page up at fedora.redhat.com that accurately lists mirrors from which one can retrieve severn. thanks, and looking forward to my first fedora install. -- Matthew Boeckman (816) 777-2160 Manager - Systems Integration Saepio Technologies

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Re: What about BootSplash?
by Jef Spaleta 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

Arindam Dey wrote: > So anybody from the Fedora project care to comment as to why something > like this cannot be included ? While your asking...why not ask the mainline kernel developers why its not in the mainline 2.4 kernel..and more importantly why it was not in the 2.5 development series and is not going to be in the 2.6 kernels. <quote http://www.bootsplash.org/faq.html#4> 4) Will the bootsplash patch be included officially in future kernel versions? We would like to see that happen. But before that can happen, some things have to be cleaned up. The framebuffer interface of kernel 2.5/2.6 is completely different from 2.4, which means that large parts of the bootsplash have to be rewritten. Implementing other bit depths than 16bit, and other picture loaders than the jpg one are things that come to the mind. Also the userspace utility needs nicer config files. There is currently no code that works with 2.5. </quote> Now...maybe bootsplash is cool looking...and maybe its not. But from a forward looking maintenance standpoint if its not going to work with 2.6 kernels that are coming up its not necessarily a good idea patch it in now. And maybe its worse than that...maybe its not even a technically good solution even as an add-on patch for the 2.4 kernels. But if my wholly unqualified opinion on the matter isn't good enough to persuade you that the important people know best in regard to this issue, maybe this opinion holds a little more weight: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-September/msg00532.ht… -jef"cool kernel level eyecandy for eyecandy's sake is probably the fast track to an unstable kernel"spaleta

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Strange system freezes - Help!
by Erik Williamson 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

Hi All, I've got a machine with the following description: Dell Precision 530 Fully patched fedora Dual P4 Alteon Gigabit nic Services running: sshd, vsftpd, apache Periodically, it goes (mostly) dead. It looks like this: I can ping it. I can nmap it, and the services are all detected I cannot connect to any of the servers via a client (ie, ssh, ncftp, moz) I can telnet to the appropriate ports, and get connected. (I forget how to make an http server spew to a telnet client, but I've done it before) Both the terminal (through kvm) and console (serial, through to a concentrator on another machine) are dead in the water. If I unplug the fibre to the nic, the console + terminal report this. same for when I replug it in. Nothing happens with usb devices (just trying to see about waking it up) It's last uptime was a day and a half. this is the third time it's happened. I'm about to do hardware diagnostics on it, but am wondering if anyone has any idea about what else I should look at. I power-cycled the machine and booted off of a rescue CD - mounting the filesystems read-only - but there's nothing interesting that I can see (in /var/log, that is). If anyone knows of something I should look at, probable cause, etc - please let me know. Thanks for any help - Erik. e r i k w i l l i a m s o n erik(a)cpsc.ucalgary.ca system admin . department of computer science . university of calgary

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Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #142 - 32 msgs
by Christopher Wilber 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

>Red Hat network recently took $360 from me for my 6 linux systems >subscribed...... > >Looks like that support won't last the full year I paid for. > >Do I get a partial refund? Or put it down to experience. > >-- >Steve Withers >swithers(a)mmp.org.nz This was exactly my concern and despite 3 emails to Redhat customer services and 2 queries through the redhat web pages, I have had absolutely no reponse. With impeccable timing I took out a subscription in mid October principally because I wanted priority access to the ISOs and subsequent priority bandwidth allocation. Redhat are simply refusing to answer my questions about whether they will continue to provide priority access to their bandwidth. I don't mind paying RedHat - indeed I have bought 5.x, 7.x and 8.0 boxed CD sets in the past and then paid for an annual subscription. What irritates me is that they won't answer my questions about what happens to the 7 months updates I will have paid for when April comes by and RH 9 is no longer supported. Offering a discount on another service is not acceptable. But if they would just offer the priority bandwidth, or if they gave me the option of having the money transferred over as a gift to the Fedora project I would probably accept that. At the moment I have installed Fedora beta 3 (Severn 0.95) and cannot register that channel on RHN. Latest version available to register is Beta 2 according to their pages. In fact I can't even register that but that may be down to my mistake in the way I have my channels set up.

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upgrade from rh8
by Peter Ashford 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

I was looking for info about upgrading RH8 to Fedora. I looked around the Fedora site, but couldn't find what I was loolking for. Is there a faq or tutorial somewhere which covers this? TIA Peter.

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Re: Redhat to Fedora - up2date/RHN
by Jaroslav Kadlecek 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Piotr Goczal wrote: > > Use autorpm (www.autorpm.org) In my opinion it's much much better > > then up2date... > > Hmmmm. A good suggestion, though it runs afoul of the *other* > consideration I was hoping we had settled when choosing Red Hat, and that > was to have as much as possible a 'standard' uncustomized installation, > with as few extra downloads as possible. In theory, it would be perfect to > install 'standard' Fedora/RH from the disks then run the standard > 'up2date' and be done, though I've noticed that the packages are so far > behind that I had to download the new 'spamassassin' to have that filter > work effectively.... :-) If you want to use up2date, try http://current.tigris.org/ Current is an open-source implementation of an up2date server. I use it at many servers. it really works :) .... in my opinion up2date have solved dependencies and migrating to upper channels much better than autorpm :)) J.

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up2date???
by Craig Strom 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

I am in the process of downloading the ISOs for Fedora so I may be getting a little ahead of myself here, but how does up2date work with Fedora? Does it have a graphical setup that will allow you to choose from a list of servers to update from? Will I have to use the command line to point up2date to a server? Any instructions on how to setup up2date in Fedora would be appreciated. Hopefully when I install Fedora the up2date setup will let me choose which servers I want to get my updates from. Thanks.

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Visual Effects industry and RH
by Will Mendez 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

Hello All, I would like to know how Red Hat intends to deal with it's customers in the visual FX industry such as ILM, DreamWorks, Mainframe, etc which currently use RH 7.2 and above. Are they forced to upgrade to a RH enterprise or wing it and go to Fedora? Also why would Red Hat push perspective customers towards Windows? http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm Thanks! Will Mendez Mmmm...XSI www.xsibase.com

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