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server Crashing
by Gary Stainburn 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

Hi folks. I've got a new install FC4 box which keeps crashing. I've replaced the memory because it looked like a mem fault, but it's still happening, and has suddenly got worse. Looking in /var/log/messages shows entries like below. I've done a yum update this morning but it hasn't made any difference. Anyone got any ideas what's wrong?: Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000024 Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: printing eip: Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: c012daf9 Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: *pde = 00000000 Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: Oops: 0000 [#1] Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: Modules linked in: Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: CPU: 0 Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: EIP: 0060:[<c012daf9>] Not tainted VLI Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: EFLAGS: 00010246 (2.6.13-1.1532_FC4) Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: EIP is at do_exit+0x625/0x942 Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: eax: 00000000 ebx: c16d4550 ecx: df7e6c80 edx: 00000000 Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: esi: df7ec6c0 edi: 00000000 ebp: 00000001 esp: c16e6f54 Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: ds: 007b es: 007b ss: 0068 Oct 31 11:53:51 eddie kernel: Process udev (pid: 28, threadinfo=c16e6000 task=c16d4550) Oct 31 11:53:52 eddie kernel: Stack: 0000038d 00000000 bfe98750 bfe986b4 00000003 c16e6000 c01b1e69 0000038d Oct 31 11:53:52 eddie kernel: 0000ea00 ffffffea c1686500 0000ea00 c16e6000 c012df6d 00001000 00000000 Oct 31 11:53:52 eddie kernel: c16e6fbc c0414a2c 00000004 0000000e 0000000b 080d8078 ffffffea ffffffea Oct 31 11:53:52 eddie kernel: Call Trace: Oct 31 11:53:52 eddie kernel: [<c01b1e69>] sys_stat64+0x23/0x28 Oct 31 11:53:52 eddie kernel: [<c012df6d>] do_group_exit+0x12b/0x349 Oct 31 11:53:52 eddie kernel: [<c0104465>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb Oct 31 11:53:52 eddie kernel: Code: 89 d8 e8 7c 74 10 00 85 ed 74 1a 8b 83 6c 04 00 00 8b b8 98 00 00 00 85 ff 74 0a b8 01 00 00 00 e8 6a ea 17 00 8b 43 04 8b 40 04 <8b> 40 24 85 c0 74 0b ff 88 00 01 00 00 83 38 02 74 6e 8b 83 80 Oct 31 11:53:52 eddie kernel: <1>Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed! -- Gary Stainburn This email does not contain private or confidential material as it may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000

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RE: Linux killer!
by Timothy A. Holmes 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

-----Original Message----- From: fedora-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of STYMA, ROBERT E (ROBERT) Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:21 AM To: 'Robin.Laing(a)drdc-rddc.gc.ca'; 'For users of Fedora Core releases' Subject: RE: Linux killer! > > If they are not supposed to be watching the videos on the school > computers, then block them at the firewall as our business > does. When > they cannot watch them on Windows it won't make any difference. > I think the point is that if Linux is to make a bigger dent in the Windows desktop, more things have to "just work". In a similar experiment to the one which started this thread, I slowly converted a non-technical family with three computers from windows to Linux and recorded the issues which came up. (http://www.swlink.net/~styma/LinuxForTheMasses.shtml) The current distributions of Linux still need a technical person to get things working. The technical person would still have no clue as to how to get these things working. Many of them require a fair amount of research on the web. I understand the reasons mp3's and wmv's don't play right out of the box, but to get "Joe Sixpack" using Linux requires an update process simple enough for "Joe Sixpack" to use to get this functionality working. If making Linux really simple is not working out, another model might be to have pay subscriptions to remote maintenance services. The FC3 and FC4 boxes I maintain for my friends I can access remotely via SSH and VNC. On a Windows box, if tech support cannot talk you through the problem, the user ends up taking the box in and paying big bucks. ssh, /etc/hosts.allow, and iptables could provide a very effective support mechanism. On my friends boxes, I am the only one with the root password, not that they would understand what root was anyway. Just my 2 cents worth. My point is that Linux needs to be simple in addition to being better. Bob Styma -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list(a)redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list [Timothy A. Holmes] It goes again to the issue of what is the purpose of Linux -- if it is to replace or at least provide significant competition to Windows, then I agree, if it is to stay in its server / techie niche market, than it has achieved that. The linux community as a whole (all distros) needs to define its purpose and begin improvement based on that. A further area of difficulty is the installers. RPMs work most of the time, as does synaptic on Ubuntu, but once you get outside of that, forget it -- my experience with compiling from source is terrible at best (over 60 hours trying to get a satellite tracking program working on Fedora Core 3 (I finally gave up, reformatted the box, and installed windows -- the equivalent windows program installed in 3 minutes (including download) FOLKS THAT'S GOTTA CHANGE) if one thing will kill linux, it is the whole installer issue -- we gotta fix that. Right now, there is no way that I would consider taking our school to linux for front end applications (stuffs not available for linux, and wine DOES NOT WORK (that's a whole other story but the time total on that one was about 20 hours before I gave up) It comes down to one very very simple thing -- STUFFS GOTTA JUST WORK -- if we want to have linux become mainstream in our society Thanks for listening TIM Timothy A. Holmes IT Manager / Network Admin / Web Master / Computer Teacher Medina Christian Academy A Higher Standard... Jeremiah 33:3 Jeremiah 29:11 Esther 4:14

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RE: Linux killer!
by Styma, Robert E (Robert) 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

> ---- > Anticipation that a Linux Desktop is a easy swap replacement > for Windows > Desktop is simply a matter of expectations. It is what it is and where > it is any given place in time. Railing here on this list is the > equivalent to pissing in the wind. > > The thread began with issues relating to proprietary software using > proprietary codecs and if more people were using Linux, there would be > more pressure to adopt codecs that Linux users could utilize without > doing technical tango. > As you said, "It is what it is" and that seems to apply to the proprietary codecs also. The mplayer developers have done a marvelous job integrating the windows codecs. Searching out this information is non-trivial (without some luck) and difficult for the uninitiated. This mailing list has a pretty good cross section of current Fedora users and has some extremely intelligent and knowledgeable people on it. It may well be that since software installation does and should require some sort of administrative account (eg. root) and putting the root account in the hands of the uneducated can be a terrible thing, a different model is needed to further encroach upon Windows. Bob Styma

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RE: Linux killer!
by Styma, Robert E (Robert) 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

> > If they are not supposed to be watching the videos on the school > computers, then block them at the firewall as our business > does. When > they cannot watch them on Windows it won't make any difference. > I think the point is that if Linux is to make a bigger dent in the Windows desktop, more things have to "just work". In a similar experiment to the one which started this thread, I slowly converted a non-technical family with three computers from windows to Linux and recorded the issues which came up. (http://www.swlink.net/~styma/LinuxForTheMasses.shtml) The current distributions of Linux still need a technical person to get things working. The technical person would still have no clue as to how to get these things working. Many of them require a fair amount of research on the web. I understand the reasons mp3's and wmv's don't play right out of the box, but to get "Joe Sixpack" using Linux requires an update process simple enough for "Joe Sixpack" to use to get this functionality working. If making Linux really simple is not working out, another model might be to have pay subscriptions to remote maintenance services. The FC3 and FC4 boxes I maintain for my friends I can access remotely via SSH and VNC. On a Windows box, if tech support cannot talk you through the problem, the user ends up taking the box in and paying big bucks. ssh, /etc/hosts.allow, and iptables could provide a very effective support mechanism. On my friends boxes, I am the only one with the root password, not that they would understand what root was anyway. Just my 2 cents worth. My point is that Linux needs to be simple in addition to being better. Bob Styma

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Re: not able to make xmms
by Ian Malone 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

sujit sugathan wrote: > i have fc4 installed on my system. i wanted to install xmms onto it . > but when i tried to "make" the file there were some errors due to > which i couldnt compile the program. anyone please help me since > i'm relatively new to linux As others have said, what you probably want to do is install xmms from one of the repositories. # yum install xmms ^(as root) will do this for you. This is if all you want to do is use xmms and listen to music. Also google for 'unofficial fedora faq' for issues related to mp3 files with the standard fedora xmms. If you are for some reason bent on building it yourself there are a stack of dependencies (mainly libraries and header files which are used when building xmms) you need. Among them are _probably_ gtk+-devel, libogg-devel, libvorbis-devel and alsa-lib-devel, but the ./configure script you run before doing make will tell you what you're missing. These can mainly also be installed via yum, eg. # yum install gtk+-devel libogg-devel ... etc You *do not need* those packages unless you are going to be compiling from source. (A note on shell instructions notation, because it's an unspoken convention which might confuse if you're new to Li/U-nix: $ something indicates a line run as a normal user, because this is what the bash prompt will typically look like. # something indicates a line run as root, for the same reason. It's a bad idea to do everything as root.) -- imalone

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Automatic way of terminating a program
by Paul Smith 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

Dear All Is there some automatic way of terminating a program at a previously specified time? Thanks in advance, Paul

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X Server Configuration?
by Nathaniel Stickney 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

Yesterday afternoon I installed Fedora Core 4 on my main desktop, and as far as I can tell, everything is working correctly, but I cannot get any GUI sessions started, and I get a message "I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?" when I reboot; choosing <Yes> leads to a text login prompt; <No> does the same. I have not used Linux in a few years (due to being on a restrictive DoD network), but the Suse 9.0 that was on my computer before and a Knoppix disk both worked fine with my hardware -- relevant parts listed below. ABIT NF7-S v2.0 motherboard, bios 27 3x 512MB Corsair PC3200 ram ATI Radeon 9800XT video card Western Digital WD740GB and WD2500JB hard drives Any ideas would be tremendously appreciated! -- -Nathaniel H. Stickney Amendment II: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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RE: how to view an animated gif
by Yordanis Tornes Medina 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

> From: Claude Jones <claude_jones(a)levitjames.com> > Subject: how to view an animated gif > To: For users of Fedora Core releases > <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: > <200510312142.54447.claude_jones(a)levitjames.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm trying to open an animated gif - I can't seem to > find a tool in the > graphics programs that will play the animation. Can > someone point me to a > viewer that will play the animation? > -- > Claude Jones > Bluemont, VA, USA I use gThumb to view .gif files. Greetings ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es

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2 Projects -- Need advice/suggestions
by Timothy A. Holmes 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

Good Morning Everyone: I have 2 projects on tap this week (among a ton of others) that I could use your input on. First is setting up music sharing for iTunes and my iPod on a fedora core server. It has been suggested that the proper way to do this is to use HOWL and Daapd. I have looked over the websites for them, and it seems ok, I was wondering if anyone had done this, and any comments / suggestions / gotchas that I need be aware of. Also, if you know of any good "cookbook" style procedures out there, id appreciate it. The second one is Jabber, We need an instant message system in our building, and as far as I can tell Jabber is the way to go. The server will be Fedora Core 3 (my production web server) I have dug around the net and found a large number of jabber implementations, I am looking for one that is simple to set up, maintain and use. We will be interfacing with either Trillian (free) or Gaim. If anyone knows of another server / service that would be better, please let me know, im open to pretty much anything at this point, again as above -- any problems etc and any good procedures are always welcome. Thanks Timothy A. Holmes IT Manager / Network Admin / Web Master / Computer Teacher Medina Christian Academy A Higher Standard... Jeremiah 33:3 Jeremiah 29:11 Esther 4:14

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Running KDE on VNC
by Mark Brummett 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

I have an issue where, when I have both Gnome and KDE installed as my windows, I would like to select one on or the other. I've gone through several different websites telling me to change some settings in the startup script, with no luck. It always launches Gnome. Here is the configuration logging in with Gnome. #!/bin/sh # Uncomment the following two lines for normal desktop: unset SESSION_MANAGER exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc [ -x /etc/vnc/xstartup ] && exec /etc/vnc/xstartup [ -r $HOME/.Xresources ] && xrdb $HOME/.Xresources xsetroot -solid grey vncconfig -iconic & xterm -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & twm & I've changed the last line to startkde, but no luck. I've done several other things. Thanks for any help in advance. MB

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