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disk problem
by Chris Norman 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

Hi people, I have just put a 114 Gb disk in my machine and coppied a load of stuff over to it. The stuff seems fine, the disk is mounted on /media/hdb1 and I've remounted that folder to /var/ftp (for the ftp server). The only thing is, when I use df on either of my disks, I get this output: [chris@bob ~]$ df /dev/hda Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on - 249184 696 248488 1% /dev [chris@bob ~]$ df /dev/hdb Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on - 249184 696 248488 1% /dev Is that right? Shouldn't it say "ext2" in the filesystem column??? Cheers, Chris Norman  Selling cheap but functional shell accounts.

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firefox java plugin
by Ed Landaveri 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

I see many people strugling with the java plugin for firefox 1.0.7. It used to work with my old firefox 1.0.4 'till I upgraded. If you have the old java you don't need to download and install. This is what I did: 1. Download jre-1_5_0-linux-i586-.bin 2. su-->pwd-->mv jre-1_5_0-linux-i586-.bin to /usr/local 3. chmod a+x jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin 4. verify permissions: ls -l 5. ./jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin 6. Do you agree? Yes.-->Done 7. It's installed under: /usr/java/jre1.5.0 8. cd /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.4/plugins/ 9. ln -s /usr/local/jre1.5.0_04/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so 10.Edit > Preferences. Under Advanced category > Select Enable Java After upgrading Firefox: [root@tuxie ~]# cd /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.7/plugins/ [root@tuxie plugins]# ln -s /usr/local/jre1.5.0_04/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so [root@tuxie plugins]# cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [root@tuxie plugins]#ln -s /usr/local/jre1.5.0_04/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so Remember not to download the latest version, but use the previous one. If you already have it under firefox 1.0.4 just od the last two steps. Eddie --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 270
by Mirco Scara 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

Hi there guys, I urgently need advice on how to set up a home network between 2 computers both dual bootingWINXP and Fedora 4 both on separate internal hard disks. Both are connected via ethernet to a ZOOM adsl router and the router is obviously connected to a hub/switch from which the two separate ethernet cables go to the two separate ethernet cards on the two separate computers. Now the problem is: Both computers can get connected to the internet at one time but never together at the same time. Is there any document on the net I can read so that I can shed some light onto this LAN TUNNELL?????? THANKS A LOT MIRCO

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Re: Why questions don't get answered, or "No, I've already RTFM, tell me the answer!"
by David G. Miller (aka DaveAtFraud) 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

mike.mccarty(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 16:44, Mike McCarty wrote: >> >>> John Summerfied wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I reckon your expectations are a little steep. >>>> >>>> I don't think you will find the kind of information you desire >>>> comes with any implementation of any programming language, >>>> certainly for peecees. Have you noticed the proliferation of >>>> Windows books? >>> >>> >>> Au contraire, mon ami. Borland C, for example, comes with a nice >>> tutorial on the C programming language. >> >> >> >> But that doesn't tell you anything about the existing system >> utilities or how to use them. Most of the things you might >> want to do are already handled nicely by programs included >> with the system. If you only know a low-level tool like >> C, you are doomed to re-invent a lot of things unnecessarily. > > > Not at all. I just don't glue them together with long complicated > shell scripts. > > I'm not against anyone learning how to use all the tools available > to do the things they do best. And not all languages are equally > suited to any given task. Using the shell as a programming language > is undesirable for a number of reasons, among them are > (1) it unnecessarily complicates the command line parser. Since the > CLI gets sooo much use it is desirable to make it simple, hence > correct > (2) Shell scripts are inherently less portable between systems > than languages designed with portability in mind, like C. > (3) Each part of a system should do the things it does best. I > find that when I need something relatively complicated, but > not enormously complicated, often a program written in more > than one language is best. I use the shell to process the > directory tree, and use the tools available where I can, > but if I need special processing then I write a one-off > C program to do the specialized processing, which gets called > perhaps like this: > > $ find /path/to/somewhere -name "file*globbing*stuff*" -print | > my_special_program \; > > I might even use a loop or two in the shell stuff. > But I do *not* do the complicated logic using the shell. > > Mike > -- > p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > This message made from 100% recycled bits. > You have found the bank of Larn. > I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. > I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that! Funny. At a prior job, I ended up slowly implementing a document management system a few features at a time in c-shell. Nobody ever said, "Go develop a document management system," it was just develop yet another shell script that does this or one that does that. The final effort was about 3,500 lines of csh that was never intended to do anything but support the folks using it (i.e., it didn't need to be portable). Likewise, I just used features of csh that were also easily exercisable from a command prompt (makes testing a lot easier) so I would hardly consider that requiring the shell be extensible to this sort of effort overly complicated the shell. On the other hand, this would have taken a programming staff of probably ten to twenty people working over several years to develop in anything other than a scripting language. Anything other than an iterative, "Is this what you want?" development approach also would have been futile since the people I was supporting didn't really know what they needed the system to do but had some really good ideas about what would make their job easier and more accurate. BTW, the guy who replaced me said he frequently referred to the overall script set as kind of a guide to Unix commands since I used (in his opinion) about every command possible at some point. The system remained in use until the venture using it was disbanded. The company had purchased Documentum for this purpose but was never able to implement the customizations needed (visual basic) for it to support what we were doing. Given experiences like this, I find most people who disparage shell programming to be at best uninformed. Cheers, Dave

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Installation of Firefox 1.5 on FC4.
by Erik P. Olsen 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

I don't get it! Installation of firefox 1.5 includes a download of firefox-1.5.tar.gz, untar same and then what? I've been on Firefox' web pages, searched forums and google and found nothing. There doesn't seem to be an installer with the untar'ed files and the readme refers to http://getfirefox.com/releases which does not contain that sort of information. Please help! -- Regards, Erik P. Olsen

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Zoom ADSL /router Fedora Home Lan SETUP HELP Fedora4 /WinXP ;
by Mirco Scara 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

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Re: Max usable disk space (Les Mikesell)
by Jason Ragsdale 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

I will be putting /boot and /var /tmp onto 2 80gb RAID1 mirrored drives, the RAID5 Devices will be used for datastorage only. > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:35:42 -0600 > From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Max usable disk space > To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: <1135960542.18911.31.camel(a)moola.futuresource.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 03:21, Thomas Cameron wrote: >> > > All, >> > > I am looking to build a NSF server starting with: >> > > 4 x 300GB drives RAID5, and adding 4 more 500GB RAID5 drives later. >> > > Is there a max filesystem size limit with fedora core 4? Or are there >> > > any other options that may cause me issues later down the road? >> > > Thanks in advance. >> > > -Jason >> > > >> > I just found out that fdisk doesn't like raw devices > 2TB. Don't know >> > of a way around that limitation, but that's the only one I can think of. >> >> I believe parted will work on partitions over 2TB. >> >> FC 4 will address filesystems up to 8TB, so you should be fine. > > Note that you can't boot from partions over 2TB and I'm not > sure if grub knows enough to use them as the root partition > either. With something that size, I think I'd put both > /boot and / on separate partitions, and perhaps leave spares > so that the next OS version could be loaded without destroying > the existing one to minimize chances of extended downtime > later. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell(a)gmail.com > > > >

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Man pages
by 198mdk＠oninet.pt 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

Man pages - Each time I try get some help from man pages I get disappointed. Wich is the proper way to learn some more from console? If I call --help I just get confused. Am I dummy? I think the first way to learn should be the man pages. I can imagine this is a basic need for a newbie. TIA, Joao. ____________________________________ A minha patria é a lingua portuguesa

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Re: Why questions don't get answered, or "No, I've already ...
by 198mdk＠oninet.pt 30 Dec '05

30 Dec '05

Time to time lists need to express this way their feelings... There are several reasons to post a question: - newbe - no web, just email - trust in list - other reasons I must say I learned a lot with this list and magazines. But When I have a question, the 1st thing is post at fedora-list. Is that correct? To me is the only way I have, because I don't have net during working period, just email. But according my experience, we must read topics (digest) because many questions we have, we'll find answer there. Happy New Year. Joao. ____________________________________ A minha patria e a lingua portuguesa

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RE: FC4 Users? [added Eclipse and Tomcat comments]
by Dan Thurman 30 Dec '05

30 Dec '05

>From: fedora-list-bounces(a)redhat.com >[mailto:fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of alan >Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:01 PM >To: For users of Fedora Core releases >Subject: RE: FC4 Users? [added Eclipse and Tomcat comments] > > >On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > >> Well, as of this time, the *fix* is not there yet. I HAVE >> gotten Eclipse / Tomcat to "work" but it is MANUAL at this >> time because apparently this is caused by Eclipse itself >> (and not necessarily by Fedora port because I tried the >> Eclipse version directly and the problem is the same) but >> it appears that somehow the WTP tomcat plugins are not finding, >> translating, copying the files over properly to the .metadata >> and Servers locations properly for which Tomcat needs before it >> can even start. >> >> Specifically: >> >> Servers >> tomcat v5.5 Server @ localhost-config >> <<< missing required files >>> >> >> And in the .metadata tree is missing: >> >> .metadata >> .plugins >> org.eclipse.wst.server.core >> tmp0 >> <<<< sometimes directories here get messed up >>> >> webapps >> <<< missing or corrupted files >>> >> >> So basically - the plug-ins are not able to locate the needed >> files to properly construct the base files for which Tomcat >> can proceed. > >I wonder if this is the same bug that fubars the ftp and sftp plug-ins >for Eclipse as well. > Not sure what you are talking about here. Did you pursue more details and post it somewhere? From my issues, I am focusing exclusively on the interaction between Tomcat and Eclipse but I cannot see how ftp and sftp has anything to do with it. If you hadn't posted your issue, please get as much information as you can and post it. Since I figured that since Eclipse started as a Java based IDE, I posted most of my complaints to the Fedora-Java newsgroup, and I have yet to hear of anyone working on these issues. Perhaps Fedora-Java is the wrong newsgroup, so I think I may have to (re)complain in the Eclipse-webtools newsgroup. I wonder who is keeping track of Eclipse on Fedora issues and informing the responsible developers? Beats me. Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 12/29/2005

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