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Is there a defined process/script for creating a set of F7 CD's from the DVD?
by Stanley A. Klein 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

I have several systems to update to F7. They are in different locations and an install from some kind of network server is not an option. Some of the systems have DVD reader drives, but some have only CD drives. I want to do the same kind of Gnome + KDE install that I have been running on the machines under FC5. The installs also need to be more than just desktops. Development tools need to be included, just like on the FC5 installs from CD sets. If I obtain the DVD (either by download or by purchase) is there a defined process (like some kind of script) by which I can then create a set of CD's to do a multiple CD install on the systems that have only CD drives? Stan Klein

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Re: Fedora Core 6 HUGE problem - Binary drivers.
by Gilboa Davara 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 22:51 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Gilboa Davara wrote: > > > OK. > > I use Linux -because- I get a chance to do what I want with the kernel. > > Doesn't suite you? Fine! > > Yes, I thought unix was fairly complete when sysvr4 incorporated the BSD > additions in the early 90's. I was happy the first time I had a year of > uptime with one of those and I just want one that works. > > You are using the -wrong- OS. > > If you want a stable kernel ABI that doesn't break every 3 months, you > > -really- have no business using Fedora. > > That's a great description. Can you arrange to have that put in large > letters on the home and download pages? "Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases the ====latest==== in free and open source software. Fedora is always free for anyone to use, modify, and distribute. It is built by people across the globe who work together as a community: the Fedora Project. The Fedora Project is open and anyone is welcome to join." If do not agree with this "mission statement" and such, you have no business using it. It is as simple as that. > > You are looking for stable ABI, slow update rate less breakage. > > In short, you are looking for RHEL/CentOS/Etch/SLES. > > As I said, you are using the wrong distribution. > > The enterprise versions are good for running server software which, like > unix kernel design, has been stable and mostly feature-complete for > ages. It doesn't work for desktop software which is still evolving > rapidly and good versions will come out any day now. Same goes for driver support. SATA, RAID, SCSI, graphics cards, etc. You want a stable ABI but new drivers... though. Unless you are willing to port the new drivers yourself (which is not always possible), you'll have to choose. Stable ABI with lacking driver support or better driver support with unstable ABI. ... Hey, but if you don't agree with me, it's GPL, you are free to create your own "bleeding edge desktop, stable kernel" distro. Heck, you can even use RHEL/CentOS as your base for free! > What we need is a distro where the kernel and device related utilities never have to be > updated other than with security patches but the applications can be > kept current without having to build your own distro from parts. We? Sorry, I don't agree with you. Never the less, if your really believe in that "we" part, you should really consider creating your own distribution, as opposed to trying to change Fedora to what it will never be. > An occasional application crash is a lot easier to tolerate (and would be > even more so if you had the option to revert to the prior version > easily) than a kernel that no longer works with your devices. True. Though... at least in my case, if Evolution, VIM and/or firefox stops working for a long duration, it is just as bad as a kernel crash. - Gilboa

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SELinux message
by A.J. Bonnema 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Hi all, This morning I got several of the following message: Raw Audit Messages avc: denied { search } for comm="procmail" dev=sdb6 egid=0 euid=0 exe="/usr/bin/procmail" exit=-13 fsgid=0 fsuid=0 gid=0 items=0 name="root" pid=4585 scontext=system_u:system_r:procmail_t:s0 sgid=0 subj=system_u:system_r:procmail_t:s0 suid=0 tclass=dir tcontext=system_u:object_r:default_t:s0 tty=(none) uid=0 It looks like procmail is trying to do *something*. I would just like to find out what it is that procmail is trying to do. So I could see whether it is legitemate. I do assume procmail knows what it is doing, but before I relable the system (as indicated in the explanation) I would just like to know: shouldn't the SELinux be fitted to procmail in some way? Is there a way I can get this accomplished i.e. can I report this to procmail as a bug? Guus Bonnema -- happily running FC7 since this morning -- P.S. I include the complete message, maybe it helps. ============ Explanatory message ====================== Summary SELinux is preventing access to files with the default label, default_t. Detailed Description SELinux permission checks on files labeled default_t are being denied. These files/directories have the default label on them. This can indicate a labeling problem, especially if the files being referred to are not top level directories. Any files/directories under standard system directories, /usr, /var. /dev, /tmp, ..., should not be labeled with the default label. The default label is for files/directories which do not have a label on a parent directory. So if you create a new directory in / you might legitimately get this label. Allowing Access If you want a confined domain to use these files you will probably need to relabel the file/directory with chcon. In some cases it is just easier to relabel the system, to relabel execute: "touch /.autorelabel; reboot" Additional Information Source Context system_u:system_r:procmail_t Target Context system_u:object_r:default_t Target Objects root [ dir ] Affected RPM Packages procmail-3.22-19.fc7 [application]filesystem-2.4.6-1.fc7 [target] Policy RPM selinux-policy-2.6.4-8.fc7 Selinux Enabled True Policy Type targeted MLS Enabled True Enforcing Mode Enforcing Plugin Name plugins.default Host Name athene.abonnema.xs4all.nl Platform Linux athene.abonnema.xs4all.nl 2.6.21-1.3194.fc7 #1 SMP Wed May 23 22:47:07 EDT 2007 x86_64 x86_64 Alert Count 2 First Seen Fri 01 Jun 2007 02:22:25 PM CEST Last Seen Fri 01 Jun 2007 02:54:17 PM CEST Local ID 789f2a56-fe70-440b-83a6-d85bc17715ae Line Numbers Raw Audit Messages avc: denied { search } for comm="procmail" dev=sdb6 egid=0 euid=0 exe="/usr/bin/procmail" exit=-13 fsgid=0 fsuid=0 gid=0 items=0 name="root" pid=4585 scontext=system_u:system_r:procmail_t:s0 sgid=0 subj=system_u:system_r:procmail_t:s0 suid=0 tclass=dir tcontext=system_u:object_r:default_t:s0 tty=(none) uid=0 -- A.J. Bonnema, Leiden The Netherlands, user #328198 (Linux Counter http://counter.li.org)

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Weird disk problem
by A.J. Bonnema 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Hi all, I have been running FC for a long time now. While switching from FC6 to FC7 I came across the following weird problem. I have two 250G disks on SATA. Using QTParted I discovered the second disk has a lot of free space (like 120G). But QTParted refuses to do anything other than show its properties. I can not use it to allocate a new partition, be it primary or extended. All commands are greyed out. So I thought, hey, I have still got fdisk. But fdisk doesn't recofnize the space at all. Neither as a partition, nor as free space. Okee, so I started installing F7. As long as I leave that particular piece of "free space" alone all is well. But, if I want to define a new partition (primary, extended or logical) the install utility anaconda crashes! And forces a reboot. And I have no idea how to save the debug output it serves. Who has any idea what I can look for? I was thinking along the following lines: 1. Is it a hardware problem? How can I determin that? Or rather eliminate that? 2. If it is not hardware, what could it be? ===== start fdisk output ============== [root@athene]~# fdisk /dev/sdb The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 30401. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK) Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/sdb: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 131 1052226 83 Linux /dev/sdb2 132 11227 89128620 5 Extended /dev/sdb3 11228 11358 1052257+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb4 11359 14622 26218080 83 Linux /dev/sdb5 132 7964 62918541 83 Linux /dev/sdb6 7965 11227 26210016 83 Linux Command (m for help): n No free sectors available Command (m for help): ====== end fdisk output =============== Guus. -- A.J. Bonnema, Leiden The Netherlands, user #328198 (Linux Counter http://counter.li.org)

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Intel Sound Problem
by Thomas Paine 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

I'm having a problem with the sound on my laptop. It has the intel 82801 ICH7 soundcard in it, and it doesn't seem to want to work properly. During install it detected and played fine, but now that I've got logged in after a reboot it refuses to work. I had this problem with FC6, and it seems to have carried over to F7. One thing to note, my system seems to detect two sound devices. The snd-hda-intel as well as usb sound. U0x46d:0x8c6. Any ideas I can try to get it working? Thanks. -- -=/>Thom

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post install issue -- hangs after booting kernel
by Terry 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Hello! Dell Latitude D620. Install went just fine. However, after the splash screen it says "Ok, booting kernel" then hangs. No errors, anything. Any ideas?

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way OT: Time extraction
by Jamie Bohr 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Sorry the below is so off topic, I posted it to a PHP/MySQL forum and have not gotten a response and was hoping some one here could point me to a resource. The manager that is asking for this says M$ Excel can do what he is asking, I have my doubts that is can. ---- I have a request to produce a report for server availability for business hours only, M-F 8AM-5PM. I have an example table below that houses all the data but am having trouble understanding how to extract the data. The table looks something like: id startDate startTime endDate endTime 1 2007-03-01 06:00:00 2007-05-01 17:00:00 2 2007-04-16 09:30:00 2007-04-16 13:00:00 3 2007-05-23 00:00:00 2007-05-26 19:00:00 .... id represents a system system 1 was down for a total of 198 hours between 3/01 - 3/31. 22 workdays * 9 hours a day system 2 was down for a total of 3.5 hours system 3 was down for 24 hours I can do it by hand, how do I do it using SQL/PHP? What if I wanted a report that showed downtime for April? system one would have a down time figure of 189 hours + systems 2 downtime of 3.5 hours. (567 workhours - 189 hours down for system 1 - 3.5 hours for system 2) / 567 * 100 = % system were available. Please tell me there is an easy way to calculate the hours of downtime? And in that vain the number of working hours in a given month. -- Jamie Bohr

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F7 torrent advice please
by Gene Heskett 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Greetings; When I awoke this morning I expected to see FG7 ready to burn, but whatever filtering vz is doing was quite successfull and had managed to stop azureas in its tracks with about half a gig to go. So I shut it down and loaded up ktorrent. I set it up with the same 2 files as I am also sharing the kubuntu-6.06-x86-dvd.iso because its used as the basis for emc2, the cnc machine control program. ktorrent has managed to get things going again, but when I added the Kubuntu iso for upload, it appears to be hogging the upload bandwidth, which in turn has slowed the download average to about 60kbyte a second. So, in Ktorrent, can the upload bandwidth be throttled on the individual file somehow, so that there is enough bandwidth to properly handle the downloading of the other file, or do I have to disable that share until the other is finished? I've not succeeded in finding such an option in its menus as yet. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Mathematics deals exclusively with the relations of concepts to each other without consideration of their relation to experience. -- Albert Einstein

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Where is Fedora 7 "Everything" spin?
by Marko Vojinovic 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

What happened to Fedora Everything spin? I can't seem to find any CD or DVD iso's of it. Is there a link that I missed? How am I to install F7 on a machine with no network? Best regards, :-) Marko Marko Vojinovic Institute of Physics University of Belgrade ====================== e-mail: vmarko(a)phy.bg.ac.yu

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How To (Respin)
by Browder, Tom 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Given the problems with my four attempted F 7 installations so far (three systems: only one successful [on the second attempt]), and assuming fixes and new rpms, I probably will want to do my own respin of an installation DVD which is supposed to be one of the highlights of F 7. Question: Where is the documentation for that? Thanks. -Tom

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