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Removing Labels from fstab
by R. G. Newbury 01 Oct '07

01 Oct '07

Fedora 8rc2 like Fedora 6 and 7 uses labels in fstab. Anyone have any thoughts on what happens if I just replace the labels with /dev/sdaXX references? -- R. Geoffrey Newbury

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FC6: kernel upgrade breaks Synaptic Touchpad support
by D. Hugh Redelmeier 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

On my 3-year-old HP Pavilion zv5000z notebook, running Fedora Core 6 for x86_64, I just applied all the available updates. Now, when it tries to go into X, it balks. The problem is that the mouse (a Synaptics touch pad) is no longer found. If I boot with kernel 2.6.22.7-57.fc6, I get this problem. If I boot with the previous kernels 2.6.20-1.2962.fc6 or 2.6.20-1.3002.fc6xen, I have no problem. So something has changed in the kernel. dmesg in both cases makes no mention of the Synaptics device, at least under that name. Here is a portion of a diff of the Xorg.0.logs of a working and a failing run: @@ -769,8 +769,8 @@ (**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off" (**) Keyboard0: CustomKeycodes disabled (II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 0.14.4 (1404) -(--) Synaptics auto-dev sets device to /dev/input/event2 -(**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event2" +Synaptics no synaptics event device found (checked 16 nodes) +(**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" (**) Option "LeftEdge" "120" (**) Option "RightEdge" "830" (**) Option "TopEdge" "120" @@ -780,9 +780,11 @@ (**) Option "MaxTapMove" "110" (**) Option "VertScrollDelta" "20" (**) Option "HorizScrollDelta" "20" -(--) Synaptics touchpad found -(**) Option "CorePointer" -(**) Synaptics: Core Pointer +Query no Synaptics: 6003C8 +(EE) Synaptics no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device +(EE) Synaptics Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware. +(EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics" +(II) UnloadModule: "synaptics" (**) Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" (**) Mouse0: Device: "/dev/input/mice" (**) Mouse0: Protocol: "IMPS/2" In both dmesg ouputs, I see: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice and input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint as /class/input/input2 Here is the section of my xorg.conf dealing with the touchpad: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics" Driver "synaptics" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" Option "LeftEdge" "120" Option "RightEdge" "830" Option "TopEdge" "120" Option "BottomEdge" "650" Option "FingerLow" "14" Option "FingerHigh" "15" Option "MaxTapMove" "110" Option "VertScrollDelta" "20" Option "HorizScrollDelta" "20" Option "MinSpeed" "0.3" Option "MaxSpeed" "0.75" EndSection I didn't find anything relevant in bugzilla. (I would like to run the new kernel -- it might let me use my stupid Broadcom wireless interface. It is inconvenient that the new and old kernels require different Broadcom firmware.) Any ideas?

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F7 yum complains of names
by Beartooth 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

In a yum update just finished, I find something very curious : Cleanup : libgcj ####################### [39/44] ts_done name in te is xscreensaver should be libgcj Cleanup : kernel ####################### [40/44] ts_done name in te is libgcj should be kernel Cleanup : libgomp ####################### [41/44] ts_done name in te is kernel should be libgomp Cleanup : xscreensaver-extras ####################### [42/44] ts_done name in te is libgomp should be xscreensaver-extras Cleanup : kernel-headers ####################### [43/44] ts_done name in te is xscreensaver-extras should be kernel-headers I have no idea what any of it is even talking about ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.

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symbolic links, dosemu and /etc/skel
by Frank Cox 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

I have had this happen before, but just now figured out exactly what's going on. I still don't know why. I create a user and run dosemu, then go into ~/.dosemu/drive_c and make a symbolic link to another directory: ln -s /opt/data/test . Now I have a link in ~/.dosemu/drive_c that goes to /opt/data/test and if I load dosemu and type "cd test" it takes me to /opt/data/test just like it should. I use that user's home directory to create a /etc/skel directory for creating new users home directories from. When I create a new user with that /etc/skel in place, I have a link to /opt/data/test in ~/.dosemu/drive_c just like I should. But: dosemu doesn't see it. In the dosemu window, I type "dir" and cant' see TEST listed at all. "cd test" doesn't work. Removing ~/.dosemu from the new user's directory and running dosemu and adding the link works as expected. The short form of the story is that I can't have a symbolic link in ~/.dosemu/drive_c as part of an /etc/skel profile and have it actually work. Everything else in/etc/skel works as expected. What could be going on here? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com

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Re: Thank you list
by dreeser2-store＠yahoo.com 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

> Yes, if you mean messages of the "this doesn't work > again" variety. > That's business as usual for a fedora release. If you > don't want to > participate in testing and debugging the new set of >changes, just don't > upgrade until the next version is several months old. > Personally I > usually wait for the k12ltsp release partly for the >additional content > and partly because it is a respin that includes all >the updates at the > time it is released after testing. That is what I have tried to do with pretty good results. I started with fc4 and then a "yum upgrade" to fc5 when fc6 came out and to fc6 when fc7 came out.. I had been hoping to continue longer with the "Legacy" updates", but that went out. I had planned to skip a level and do an upgrade once a year. What is "k12ltsp release" ? I am getting ready to do another yum upgrade but I view this one with trepidation because I have pata drives and, through no fault of my own, am using lvm (the install put that on by default). I have been watching a bug report that of a kernel panic on first boot for raid and lvm systems. There is apparently a patch out but no updated package yet. I haven't seen any reports of successful yum upgrades for f7 lvm systems. I know that yum upgrades are not recommended, but I figure the worst that can happen will be a failure followed by a clean install. The other choice is to go directly to a clean install followed by a bunch of updates. Almost equal except for the personal changes I have made. My main reason for upgrading is to get security updates. Any comment or advice would be welcome. I really appreciate the education I get on the list.

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libPropList RPM?
by Globe Trotter 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

Does any one know where I can get this for F7? Many thanks and best wishes, Trotter ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz

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Thank You list
by Karl Larsen 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

From about 3 months ago I was happy running FC4 because I was not aware what the later versions could do. Then I d/l FC6 thinking that was what I wanted. A week later I bought a new DVD drive because the old one was full of dirt and d/l F7. I tried F7 before there were 10 updates. I discovered as you all know, that the new Fedora is going to be rough before it gets updates to clear up the many problems. I got disgusted with F7 and went back to FC6. A few weeks later I again went to F7 and got the many updates and it started working a lot better. Then I put F7 on my laptop and over a couple of weeks where the List helped me over the hump and F7 on my laptop started working with WiFi. It was a lot of fun since then because I had no idea so many WiFi sources are in town. Now F7 is working well and we are awaiting the arrival of F8 and this whole thing will start over again, Now there are 20 messages a day. When F8 is available it will jump to 100 messages a day. -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org.

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What are modules - (cont'd) ?
by Bill Case 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

Hi Mikkel; Quote from Mikkel L. Ellertson <mikkel(a)infinity-ltd.com> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Moving F7 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 "Before that can be answered, we need your definition of drivers. Kernel modules can provide an interface between the kernel and hardware. (Driver?) They can let the kernel access different file system formats. They can let the kernel use different networking protocols. They extend the function of the kernel. Most modules can also be built into the kernel instead. Modules have a defined format. Most modules are written specifically for use by the Linux kernel, and are not drivers designed for something else with a C wrapper around them. (There are modules that are basically wrappers that let you use other format drivers.) Unless extra steps are taken, modules are limited to the version of the kernel they were compiled ageist. Some kernel options also make a difference. For example, a 64 bit module in not going to work on a 32 bit processor, or be loadable by a 32 bit kernel. It is possible to build a kernel that does not have any loadable modules, or even support for loadable modules. This works well for embedded systems where the requirements are not going to change. For a laptop, it may make sense to build a kernel optimized for the processor in the laptop, build in support for the hardware in that laptop, and for the file systems always used. You would only enable modules for the hardware you expect to be using. (No support for PCI or ISA SCSI controllers, or multi-port serial cards. But maybe support for PCMCIA and/or cardbus SCSI cards.) But while a custom kernel may make sense for a specific machine, it does not make sense for a distribution's kernel. So most things are build as modules, and you load the modules for your specific needs. Mikkel" Before that can be answered, we need your definition of drivers. "A device driver, or software driver is a computer program allowing higher-level computer programs to interact with a computer hardware device. A driver typically communicates with the device through the computer bus or communications subsystem to which the hardware is connected. When a calling program invokes a routine in the driver, the driver issues commands to the device. Once the device sends data back to the driver, the driver may invoke routines in the original calling program. Drivers are hardware-dependent and operating-system-specific. They usually provide the interrupt handling required for any necessary asynchronous time-dependent hardware interface." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_driver I am not being pedantic. The above wikipedia quote pretty well sums up my understanding of a (device) driver. My simplest example of the driver versus module question is: I have a NVIDA graphics chip integrated into my mother board. xorg.conf tells me I am using the Fedora "nv" driver. I want to try out Beryl. I have been told to download the "nvida" proprietary driver through livna.repo. How do those two drivers fit in with the use of modules in the kernel? If those particular drivers are not applicable to the question, you should be able to, nonetheless, see what I am getting at. -- Regards Bill

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duplicate postings
by Aaron Konstam 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

I am getting certain postings twice. Is it just me or is there a general problem with the mailing list? -- Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net>

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php-gd depency problem
by Danny.Terweij 30 Sep '07

30 Sep '07

[root@v234 named]# yum install php-gd Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package php-gd.i386 0:5.2.2-3 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: php-common = 5.2.2-3 for package: php-gd --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: php-common = 5.2.2-3 is needed by package php-gd [root@v234 named]# rpm -qa | grep php php-common-5.2.4-1.fc7 php-5.2.4-1.fc7 php-pdo-5.2.4-1.fc7 php-cli-5.2.4-1.fc7 php-mbstring-5.2.4-1.fc7 php-pear-1.5.0-3 phpMyAdmin-2.11.0-1.fc7 php-mysql-5.2.4-1.fc7 [root@v234 named]# Could someone fix that? Danny.

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