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recovering from the unthinkable
by Joel Rees 24 Mar '11

24 Mar '11

The excuse: Trying to get all my precious files from the usb drive after 10:00 PM. So, is anyone willing me to remind me of the name of the program that goes searching through a drive that has been the victim of the old rm -f and re-constructs the file system? I'm pretty sure I've used it before, when I lost an lvm volume once. Can't remember what it was called, and searching via google for "disk recovery tools" now returns a whole lot of links I sure wouldn't want to trust.

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Having trouble connecting to google and youtube
by JD 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

Using firefox-3.6.15-1.fc13.i686 I can connect to just about any site except google and youtube. I checked my firewall - I am not blocking any outgoing traffic, and certainly not blocking traffic specifically from either google or youtube. What linux tool is there that will help me diagnose the problem? Cheers, JD

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Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread
by stan 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

Hi, Just thought I would make an observation about the direction of Fedora after reading some of the comments in the OT morons thread, that has morphed into grumbling about Gnome 3. I was looking at the list archives http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/ for another reason and I noticed a trend that might be relevant. Five years ago the gzipped text for a month of list traffic ran in the 4 to 5 MB range. Today it runs less than a MB. Now, there can be many reasons for that: - the traffic has been split to more specific lists - people are using other means to get help, such as forums and chat - Fedora has become so easy to use there aren't as many issues raised - people are voting with their feet and deserting Fedora If it is the last reason, that is troubling for the future. And it begs the question of *why* people might be deserting Fedora. Is it related to the sort of grumbling and dissatisfaction seen on the OT morons thread? I know there is some truth for me in that. It seems that the people doing the work want it to be trendy, in some cases just for trendiness' sake, while I care more about stability and functionality. That can also be viewed as making Fedora cutting edge, and it is hard to argue with that. Perhaps Fedora is shifting away from the sweet spot of my use, and I'll eventually have to look elsewhere. From another perspective, I suppose it means I'm not keeping up with Fedora. I can view that as an opportunity to change, I guess.

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[WAYYY OT] Begs the question
by Tom Horsley 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

From "Right to Die": Whipple: "They think it has a basis, but it hasn't." Wolfe: "That begs the question. I'll try again. Why do they think it has a basis?" Whipple: "Because I was there. Because she and I - we were friends. Because she was white and I'm black. Because of the billy, the club that killed her." Apparently Nero Wolfe is willing to make contact with the expression "begs the question" :-).

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automount messages from old system
by Raman Gupta 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

I often get these messages from automount in /var/log/messages: Mar 21 13:27:38 xxx automount[30662]: key "oldmount1" not found in map source(s). Mar 21 13:27:38 xxx automount[30662]: key "oldmount2" not found in map source(s). Mar 21 13:27:38 xxx automount[30662]: key "oldmount3" not found in map source(s). Mar 21 13:28:40 xxx automount[30662]: key "oldmount1" not found in map source(s). Mar 21 13:28:40 xxx automount[30662]: key "oldmount2" not found in map source(s). Mar 21 13:28:40 xxx automount[30662]: key "oldmount3" not found in map source(s). Mar 22 11:11:37 xxx automount[30662]: key "oldmount2" not found in map source(s). Mar 22 11:11:37 xxx automount[30662]: key "oldmount3" not found in map source(s). Mar 22 11:11:37 xxx automount[30662]: key "oldmount1" not found in map source(s). oldmount1/2/3 are NFS mounts from a machine that no longer exist since the source machine was turned off. None of the /etc/auto.* files reference these mounts at all, nor does /etc/fstab. Even reboots have not helped -- oldmount1/2/3 have not existed for a few months now. Does anyone know how to "reset" automount to forget about these obsolete values? Cheers, Raman

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Managing fedora installations behind firewall
by andreas palsson 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

Hello. Imagine a fairly large network, with from 50-100 workstations running Fedora. Due to security, none of these machines have access to Internet. Now to the question; how to keep all those machines up to date with the latest packages? First, I imagine I have to set up a complete package repository. Using the contents of the Fedora DVD should be sufficient? Next, since the server is not connected to Internet either.. How do I keep the repository manually updated and synchronized with the official mirrors? Last, how can I make a package which users can simply install to point their machines to update from the above mentioned server only, and remove the other install sources? Thank you. :) // andreas

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TVTime in F14
by Bill Case 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

Hi, Fix for TVTime not fixed in F14. I sent the following post the Fedora Users list last September after the F13 install. > I have a Hauppauge WinTv-HVR 1800 tuner with an analog Cable TV (NTSC - > Canada). In F12 I received a near perfect video picture from my cable > TV. In F13, the picture is black and white with various degrees of > interference lines depending on the tv channel. > > I have played with (used) TVTime quite a bit in the last 3 or 4 years so > I am familiar with all the menu settings and the configuration file. No > matter what I try, I can't get the proper reception back. > > I still have no analog sound for this tuner, but I see that as a > separate Alsa problem. Followed by: "My video has returned in full glorious colour after my latest upgrade this morning. I spent a few hours trying to chase this problem down. I am curious, does anybody know (off the top of your head) what might have fixed the video? My downloads were: Installed: opencc-0.1.1-1.fc13.x86_64 Updated: libfprint-0.2.0-1.fc13.x86_64 Updated: fprintd-0.2.0-1.fc13.x86_64 Updated: fprintd-pam-0.2.0-1.fc13.x86_64 Updated: empathy-2.30.3-1.fc13.x86_64 Updated: xorg-x11-xinit-1.0.9-18.fc13.x86_64 Installed: kernel-2.6.34.6-47.fc13.x86_64 Updated: ibus-pinyin-db-android-1.3.10-1.fc13.noarch Updated: 1:control-center-filesystem-2.30.1-3.fc13.x86_64 Updated: 1:control-center-2.30.1-3.fc13.x86_64 Updated: 1:control-center-extra-2.30.1-3.fc13.x86_64 Updated: ibus-pinyin-1.3.10-1.fc13.x86_64 Updated: kernel-headers-2.6.34.6-47.fc13.x86_64 Installed: kernel-devel-2.6.34.6-47.fc13.x86_64 Updated: perf-2.6.34.6-47.fc13.noarch " Except in F14, my video has NOT returned in full glorious colour. Any suggestions welcome. -- Regards Bill Fedora 14, Gnome 2.32 Evo.2.32, Emacs 23.2.1

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How is it determined if a package needs to be rebuilt for a newer Fedora version?
by Richard Shaw 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

I see regularly where new(er) users wonder why they see packages installed with dist tags from previous versions of Fedora. I understand why this occurs but now that I've gotten into building some of my own packages I started to wonder how it is determined if a package needs to be rebuilt or not. Do we rely on the package maintainer to make a call or is there some definitive way to test a package? Thanks, Richard

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Re: Urgent help needed for rpmfusion catalyst 10.12 f14
by Michael Schwendt 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:56:14 +0100, Peter wrote: > Hello, > > I have to use the rpmfusion catalyst driver for my ATI Radeon HD 3470 on > my F14 system because of a bug in the open source driver since f12 for > that specific model. The catalyst driver worked fine with version > kmod-catalyst-10.12-1 / xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-10.12-2. > > But since an update (mar 19) to kmod-catalyst-11.2-1 / > xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-11.2 I encounter regular kernel crashes, the > panel crashes when I start audacious, and many other programms don't > work anymore, especially some devel tools I need for my work on an open > source cms project. > > Unfortunately I couldn't find the old files > > xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-libs-10.12-2.fc14.x86_64 > xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-10.12-2.fc14.x86_64 > > anywhere on the web. I searched all mirrors, asked google without success. > > Does anybody have those files at hand and can send them to my mail > address? You could research on how to retrieve the old src.rpm package contents from cvs.rpmfusion.org (via anonymous access) and then rebuild the binary rpms yourself. [ http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/?root=nonfree ]

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Re: Urgent help needed for rpmfusion catalyst 10.12 f14
by Zoltan Hoppar 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

HI, I know that not really an open source advice, but I suggest to use the latest radeon driver from the AMD site. First you have to remove these kernel parts, and replace with the mentioned official drivers. I use for my radeon HD 42xx the 10.12 run file. What you have to know, that installer is capable to restore/regenerate the settings files for your videocard, capable to run in commandline mode and even capable to generate the distro specific rpm package (I don't recommend that, because of the frequent updates, else you have to regenerate it by each vga or xorg update). Additionally the official driver runs in single user mode or single user networked mode what is supported by Fedora. These setting are available through grub if you delete the rhgb and the quiet option and enter the proper runlevel. For single user mode enter 1, and for networked mode 3. So, I suggest to use the .run file - and let it run in single user mode, and the installer will setup for you the whole settings - it takes time till the ncurses UI finish with the processing - but luckily for the HD cards has a working proprietary driver. If you need furhter help, mail me - I will tell you how to keep your ATi card always on up to date. Zoltan 2011/3/23 Peter Boy <pboy(a)barkhof.uni-bremen.de>: > Hello, > > I have to use the rpmfusion catalyst driver for my ATI Radeon HD 3470 on > my F14 system because of a bug in the open source driver since f12 for > that specific model. The catalyst driver worked fine with version > kmod-catalyst-10.12-1 / xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-10.12-2. > > But since an update (mar 19) to kmod-catalyst-11.2-1 / > xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-11.2 I encounter regular kernel crashes, the > panel crashes when I start audacious, and many other programms don't > work anymore, especially some devel tools I need for my work on an open > source cms project. > > Unfortunately I couldn't find the old files > > xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-libs-10.12-2.fc14.x86_64 > xorg-x11-drv-catalyst-10.12-2.fc14.x86_64 > > anywhere on the web. I searched all mirrors, asked google without success. > > Does anybody have those files at hand and can send them to my mail > address? > > > Thanks in advance > Peter > > > > > -- > users mailing list > users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- PGP: 06853DF7

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