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Another failure
by Beartooth 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

On an expendable (and thoroughly backed up, fully updated) Athlon XP 2800+ with 1.9 GB of memory, running F 14, I asked here on April 25 about preupgrade. Having gotten two prompt and helpful replies, I went ahead, getting an install of F15 Beta. Starting April 27, I began a thread ("So where are my workspaces?") which became long and bifurcated, both here and on the testers' list. There was a lot of floundering on my part, with helpful specific links to several bugs, which I studied. I also kept updating F15 at least daily. F15 soon reached a point where its login screen produced only error messages, which I posted. The bugs meanwhile were gradually declared fixed, though the fix didn't work on this machine. About that point I ceased keeping up with the lists, though I kept trying. With upgrades and "yum install" commands issued over ssh from other machines on my LAN, I became able to log into KDE4 and Xfce; I spent some time trying them out, particularly as to workspace switchers or substitutes. (There were also several other threads, on both lists iirc, from other users whose needs Gnome 3 seemed not to meet.) When F15 was declared golden, I waited a couple of days, burned a DVD, and tried to "upgrade." No change. I tried doing a fresh install, figuring that some obscure glitch on this machine must be responsible. No change. Finally I pulled the big hammer: wiped the whole machine with DBAN, and did a second fresh install of F15. It still hit the dead bug with logging into Gnome3. I couldn't face the effort to enable KDE4 or Xfce via ssh again, nor the learning curve that would follow. I'm now managing,unsatisfactorily but adequately, with Scientific Linux 6.0 on this machine. (I have EPEL, rpmforge, and rpmfusion enabled.) I'll probably try F16 this fall, and meanwhile stick to F14 on my other machines. What I miss most from Fedora are these : dillo, galeon, epiphany, kazehakase, midori, privoxy, seamonkey, and gnome-control-center. (SL seems to have the last, but I can't get anything but "command not found" from it.) Question: if I forgo yum and PackageKit, and get ahold of actual Fedora rpms somewhere, can I install and run them in SL? Or is there a compatible repo I've overlooked?? In theory, according to the EPEL page, they should be available there; but they don't seem to be. -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.

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btrfs advice?
by Michael Wiktowy 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

I made the leap to a btrfs root partition for my netbook with a fresh install of F15. Everything seems to work fine and I have done some fair amount of Googling for information and come across https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Getting_started which offers some great (incomplete) info but nothing Fedora specific. I have some questions about how to move forward to take advantage of btrfs: 1) Is there any kind of integration of btrfs with the included apps (For example: automatic snapshots before yum updates allowing easy rollbacks, deja dup backing up a btrfs snapshot so that currently changing data doesn't affect the backup process, a kiosk mode that rolls back a home directory to a known state after logout, etc.) or is that the next step to take advantage of all the new bells and whistles and F15 is just a test-btrfs-as-a-ext4-replacement release? 2) I see (using 'mount') that the root is btrfs along with some (what appear to be) subvolumes for /tmp, /var/tmp and /home yet 'btrfs device scan' shows no information. Does 'btrfs device scan' only scan unmounted devices or is this a bug? 3) I have read at Phoronix that using the transparent compression offers a fair performance gain ( http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=btrfs_space_cache&num=1 ) with mixed results when combining that with space cache. Has the space cache+compression degradation seen in some benchmarks been fixed in F15? Also, is using transparent compression simply a matter of adding the correct mount flag to /etc/fstab or is there a more complex conversion process to be followed that needs to be done offline? 4) Since this is a netbook with a modest Atom processor, would enabling transparent compression just load the CPU such that any performance is negated or cause significant battery drain? Thank you for any experience you have to offer. /Mike

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Re: /var/log/messages question
by R. G. Newbury 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

> On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 18:36 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: >> > Just for curiosity, why has no one ever arranged to >> > log something like "Hey! I'm booting the system again!" >> > as the very first line in that goes to /var/log/messages >> > when the system is booting? > I used to do something like that back when I was still using another OS. > I modified the bootup script to add my own entry at the beginning. You > could do the same, I don't think the script gets changed by updates that > often. It is far easier to add: echo "Completed boot at `date`" to the bottom of /etc/rc.d/rc.local Then it does not matter whether the system is using the old method or systemd and whether it is writing to 'messages' or boot.log. R. Geoffrey Newbury

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F15: Follow-mouse focus and hacks for GNOME shell?
by Marco Guazzone 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

Didn't find a way to set this type of focus under GNOME shell. Searching in the Web I've found these 2 hacks: gconftool-2 -s /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode -t string sloppy or gconftool-2 -s /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode -t string mouse Are they safe? Further, is there a guide to "hack" my GNOME shell. It's really nice but there's something I'd like to change, like focus mode and enable workspace cycle (if possible) Thanks!! Best, -- Marco

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ddclient in systemd
by Patrick O'Callaghan 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

Anyone have a recipe for running ddclient (updates dynamic DNS info) from systemd? The current version is written for the classic init system. Can I just install it that way? poc

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Cannot Connect to Network since update NetworkManager
by 严晶涛 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

Hello, I use yum update -y today, and it update NetworkManager,when I reboot my Fedora 15,I can't connect to Network. I open gnome-terminal, press these: > su > /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start > it shows cannot start it. When I insert my install CD,and reinstall the old NetworkManager,I can start NetworkManager,and can connect to Network,so what can I do,waiting for next update?

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Was inn tested for F15
by Sam Varshavchik 31 May '11

31 May '11

Has anyone tested inn in F15. Bug 708627 suggests that it never was. In addition to that bug, I think something keeps rm -rf-ing /var/run/news every time I reboot, which will keep inn broken even after this bug gets fixed. At least /var/run/news was missing after my first boot into F15, I fixed all off the above, but after the next reboot it was gone again.

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F15: bluetooth not working
by Fernando Cassia 31 May '11

31 May '11

Hi there, I'm using a Chinese Malata PC-91007 netbook (Atom N450, the works) http://bit.ly/lzsaKD with F15. Bluetooth doesn't work. There's a BT led that is ON (the system provides keystrokes Fn-F1 to enable/disable webcam, Fn-F2 to enable-disable Wifi, but no keystroke to enable-disable BT, so on Windows that BT led remains ON all the time as well). The BT is connected on the mobo via USB, if I remember correctly. 13d3:3250 is the vid/pid of the device, if I'm not mistaken... lsusb gives: $ lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0402:5621 ALi Corp. M5621 High-Speed IDE Controller Bus 001 Device 003: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter Bus 005 Device 002: ID 13d3:3250 IMC Networks Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0ac8:3450 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. However, on F15 the Gnome 3.0 BT icon shows "Bluetooth ON, visibily OFF". Theres no way to bring it to "Visibility on", and first I need to pair it with a Palm Centro smartphone. If I click on "Bluetooth Settings" I get "Bluetooth OFF" "Visibility OFF" and al options grayed out. Thoughts? Comments? FC

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Yum stopped working after F14 -> F15 upgrade
by Manish Kathuria 31 May '11

31 May '11

Hello, I have upgraded from F14 to F15 using preupgrade and everything seems to be okay except yum. Whenever I run yum, it terminates giving the error: Error: Cannot retrieve metalink for repository: updates. Please verify its path and try again The error message appeared for other repositories also. In order to sort out the problem I have tried out the following: 1. Disabled livna, rpmfusion and other repositories. 2. Disabled ipv6 3. Created entries in /etc/hosts for mirror.fedoraproject.org 4. Reinstalled yum, fedora-release-15-1 However, none of this has solved the problem. DNS is working fine and all other internet applications are able to resolve sites. Any suggestions? Thanks, -- Manish Kathuria

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how to enable SPICE?
by Matias Kreder 31 May '11

31 May '11

Hi, For me it looks like SPICE was coming with Fedora 15: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SpiceInVirtManager but after upgrading and switching one of my VM's to Spice instead of VNC I get: Error starting domain: internal error Process exited while reading console log output: qemu: -spice port=5900,addr=127.0.0.1,disable-ticketing: there is no option group "spice" spice is not supported by this qemu build. I have tried both hypervisors "qemu" and "qemu-kvm". virt-manager has support for SPICE, but our qemu/kvm didn't come with spice? I upgraded from F14, probably something was not installed... Regards Matias

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