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UEFI: After upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, F19 grub menu does not appear
by Nick Urbanik 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Dear Folks, I installed Fedora 19 on my son's laptop, and it worked beautifully with the already installed Windows 8. Then foolishly, I upgraded the Windows 8 to Windows 8.1. Now it boots straight to Windows 8.1 and grub does not appear. I disabled secure boot in the firmware. I do not even know which version of grub was booting the UEFI system before; it just worked. Now I need to know. Can anyone suggest: 1. What grub would the Fedora 19 installer have provided to boot it and Windows 8? (grub2, grub-efi,...) 2. Can anyone point to any documentation on how to fix this? I am a little nervous on this, as I once attempted to upgrade an F18 UEFI stand alone system from grub-efi to grub2 with the result that I could not boot the machine, and wound up re-installing Fedora. I have a live disk, can boot the machine with that, and have some experience with grub and non-EFI systems. -- Nick Urbanik http://nicku.org 808-71011 nick.urbanik(a)optusnet.com.au GPG: 7FFA CDC7 5A77 0558 DC7A 790A 16DF EC5B BB9D 2C24 ID: BB9D2C24 I disclaim, therefore I am.

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Dual boot Fedora <--> Windows 8
by Andre Costa 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Hi, I have the following partitions on a 1TB disk: - 1M BIOS boot partition - 500M Linux boot partition - 733G Linux LVM partition (Fedora 19) - 200G unused space I would like to install Windows 8 on this last partition. Anyone knows if this will mess up with my current boot manager? Can Windows 8 coexist with GRUB? Regards, Andre

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Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Hello, Well I just heard a couple of guys saying "rpm hell". Now a days, when rpm works very well, still does it lag behind apt in some ways...? Thanks.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On 11/23/2013 01:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > your postings thread and i am wondering you would post a new > "Subject:" relating to how you are using a gmail account and > still maintain threading. No, not like that. Read the following two lines he wrote: "Ok, enough drifting off topic from this side. ;)" and "Just posted it in a separate thread to stop hijacking this one. :)" If he might have wished to enlarge the same thread, he should have done it by explaining each and every point he mentioned but he wrote that!! Further it is Saturday today and tomorrow Sunday. May be some one is having fun in the week ends and then may start a new thread on Monday... I cannot finalize such things in such a short time and cannot conclude somebody's ways of thinking so easily.....It is not necessarily true what we think is always right.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I think "g" was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood > his comments. Please, let's be polite to each other and not > insulting. My intention was not to handle someone with gloves but I don't understand why people consider it being a troll type mail. Well, I find the reason. It happens that when you are new to Linux, you often ask something which is pretty easy or might have been asked earlier. So what? This query must have been so common that I came to know it should not be asked but I had asked it actually. But again, does it really a matter of great worth or we are wasting time in this type of discussion? A general question from a newbie's mind is generally not that advanced. End users won't always ask what scripts are need for what purpose, they are more inclined towards the ease of use and especially with Linux and thus the same type of questions get generated in their mind. It is also possible, I get less time to have hands on Linux, so really it seems a bit more confusing...!

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: [crap] > as in usage as a _noun_, which is defined at; This is really shameful to have people like you..

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search engines [WAS: Why some say "rpm hell"]
by g 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On 11/23/2013 03:09 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: <> > That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly <> i used to use 'gaagle' until i found "ixquick", which does not do all the tracking and such that gaagle does. i set a bookmark button in firefox 'menu bar' to open in _advanced_search_ mode for tighter searches. https://ixquick.com/eng/advanced-search.html i now get better search results and ixquick allows be to save a bookmark of search that i can use at a later time, along with modifying search parameters. > That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of > the software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome) <> one of many reason that i use firefox for browser. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g .

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Heinz Diehl <htd(a)fritha.org> wrote: > Better/equal in precisely what? Well, now got the idea that work is being done very well in rpm distributions, so actually what I earlier asked, should not be asked. Anyways, I liked the rpm because at least all of my (noob's) work is smoothly done. Still I was curious only to know the people's view... Better/equal in the sense of the time it takes. Also, sometimes, when some (or more) unneeded packages reside in the system, even when they are not used but they rest in the hard-disk. Okay well, they don't take much capacity, so I let them sleep always. But this happens in rpm based distros which I came to know. >> ...or why did this bifurcation took place if the Linux is only the kernel...? > Because there are different distributions which all think that their > own package management system is most suited. There's more than one way to > do it... Oh I see. And this may be the same reason why even the typical distributions like Gentoo got evolved! > What kind of distribution somebody uses is a matter of taste, needs > and other more or less subjective factors, and the package manager is > a part of it. Exactly true. Its more like the analogy of cars. Some people prefer Ford, some Chevrolet, others like Mercedes-Benz better, but ultimately they all have an engine that runs on fuel. But I am happy with rpm now. I was a happy Fedora user and would eventually try it back, though currently running openSUSE 12.3 with the same happiness. I was even confused between the many distributions but came to understand the underneath strategy to install one and use it! I regret that I don't get much time to learn such a wonderful technology of Linux!!

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly annoying > me to select which profile I use, after pestering me for months to get a > Unified login, I said I don't want, (repeatedly) so now I have separate > profiles (identities, the one for Youtube with a nickname rather than my > real name,and that's the way I like it). > That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of the > software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome), their > needless "inventions" (spdy protocol to replace http), their forking of Java > (Dalvik), and increasing Android dominant position in the mobile OS > landscape (I'd rather see Jolla's Sailfish OS win). Well this is true and sometimes I also feel the old compose option was better in Gmail. Google always tend/desire to do some/many alterations, even when the company knows that it could be disliked by the vast audiences. But it has a democratic win. At least search engine is excellent and there are more no. of android phones nowadays than others. Well, I stop this off-topic here itself.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I for one use GMail for my email needs, and I'm as far from an e-mail noob > as you can get (started with Delphi on-line service in the late 1980s, then > moved to FidoNet style echomail boards, then moved to CompuServe, then to > pop-3 email, then to IMAP, and now I use web based GMail almost exclusively. > GMail serves me (and I guess most other people) because: > 1. It allows to access my account from anywhere (any machine on my LAN). > 2. I don't have to deal with local email backups (yes, I'm putting a lot of > faith in the cloud, albeit making a local backup is on my to-do list) > 3. I don't have to delete e-mail (I'm a data hoarder, I have every e-mail > received/sent from 2004 to this date, and it serves me well for research > purposes, often more than not, the answer is already in my GMail account) > 4. I pay Google for additional storage And with one account, you have entire Google from Youtube to Plus etc..etc...Google s the greatest search engine! This is fair enough to use Gmail even when one or two downsides exist.

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