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NetworkManager-l2tp requires kernel-debug ??
by Ed Greshko 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

I'm on an F19 system running KDE and wanting to install kde-plasma-nm-l2tp. One of its dependencies is NetworkManager-l2tp which is pulling in kernel-debug and kernel-debug-modules-extra. Does anyone know why this would be the case? -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > It doesn't require gmail to get messages threaded. Threading is done by > the message headers, each message has its own message ID, each reply has > another header saying which message ID it's in reply to, and there's > another header listing all the message IDs that belong in the same > thread. > The last one (in-reply-to) is used by mail clients to group all messages > in a thread together. The middle one (references) is used to thread > them all together in the right order. > Any mail client can do this. Any mail client can break this, and some > do, by not not adding in-reply-to headers, and not adding and > maintaining the references header. When they do that, they bugger it up > for everyone else, as the data has been lost. > Message threading is NOT done by whatever text is written in the subject > line. Though some broken clients think so. Some helpful clients will > try to use it, as well as threading headers, to fit in orphaned messages > into a thread (broken by other crappy clients), or to break apart a new > thread out of the middle of an existing one (when the subject line > changed). The latter not being a particularly good idea, either. > To see messages in their properly threaded order, one needs to use a > mail client that isn't broken in that regard (Evolution, Thunderbird, > and many others work), and pick the option that threads messages in the > message list window. > Conversely, one can unpick that option, and sort messages via some other > criteria - such as by "date," making a mess of the order of messages > (hint - the generational order of which message came first, is done by > what's a reply to what, not the date that it was read or written, dates > are coincidental, not relational). Thanks for taking time to explain this, I am re-reading to fully grasp it.

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Yum Update Issue
by Frank Tanner III 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

I have performed a FedUp upgrade from Fedora 18 to Fedora 19 and am now running into the following issue: Test Transaction Errors: file /usr/bin/clpi_dump conflicts between attempted installs of libbluray-0.4.0-1.fc19.i686 and libbluray-0.4.0-1.fc19.x86_64 The current package versions that are installed are libbluray-0.2.3-2.fc19.i686 and libbluray-0.2.3-2.fc19.x86_64. It will not let me uninstall these versions. Is there a way to resolve this issue that doesn't involve some major chopping around? Thank you. -- ------------------- Frank B. Tanner III

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Mihamina RKTMB <mihamina(a)rktmb.org> wrote: > Technically, > - making rpms are easier than making debs. Oh, okay. > - apt is NOT the equivalent of rpm, but the equivalent of yum Okay, I must have used that. > - You forgot the package management of Gentoo, Arch and so on on your troll Troll...? Asking a question makes you troll?

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mouse track-pad
by Richard Vickery 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

Hi Gang: The mouse doesn't work work on new Acer; any ideas on how I can find it? Apparently Fedora knows that the pad exists, but it is rendered useless right now. Thanks, Richard

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OT- Getting Firefox GMail Old Compose (for a while) - Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by Fernando Cassia 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Can you post some instructions ? (for getting GMail usable again after > "New Compose") > Get UAControl from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uacontrol/ Once installed, Go to Tools->UAControl Options Click "add new site", type as site mail.google.com and as user-agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0) That will give you Old Compose Explanation: The Mail.google.com coders couldn't get the "New Compose" to work on IE8, so if Google detects you're using IE8 on GMail, it gives you the "Old Compose". UAControl fakes the user agent ONLY for the domains you specify (in this case, mail.google.com) It will, of course, only work for as long as google keeps supporting IE8 for GMail, which likely won't be for very long, as they tend to follow Microsoft in their planned obsolescence cycles. :-( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence ...but in the meantime it's a good stopgap solution. The real solution will be for Google to permanently enable old compose as an option for those of us who prefer it. There's a petition here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/128/981/668/google-gmail-please-go-back-to-t… Sadly only 700 signatures so far... If History is any indication, Google engineers in their Ivory Towers don't give a rat's *ss about what we think... they think they know better... Oh, and you asked about the other part of the solution, it's the Firefox Stylish extension, grab it from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/stylish/ It lets you use any of the user developed styles on userstyles.org, including these for GMail: http://userstyles.org/styles/browse?search_terms=gmail My personal preference (which some surely might find odd but it suits my work style and my eyes are pleased with it) is the black background, green text "terminal" theme (that used to be great as developed by Google, until they turned it fugly with white-on-black text, and white background on compose), http://userstyles.org/styles/71798/gmail-terminal-all-black-background It looks like this: :) pic.twitter.com/PXMbZ8hU9A <http://t.co/PXMbZ8hU9A> Hope this helps you, and some other Fedora users... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Beartooth <beartooth(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Say you want Opera on an old machine that you haven't used for > some time. You go to a browser it does have, but for some reason the > default opera.com offers isn't what you want. You find what you do want, > and opera.com asks whether you want the x86 or the 64-wide version. > You don't happen to remember which one this machine is, nor an > easy way to check (like uname -a). So you just download one. > Rpm -ivh produces a bramble patch. > Being by now an old hand, you notice that all the missing > dependencies it announces are 64s. So you abort the install, go back to > opera.com, and get the .rpm for a 32-bit machine. That works, slick as a > whistle. > In this example you have not solved the dependency hell. You have > dodged it, partly by dumb luck (spotting those 64s), and partly by having > enough general experience to recognize what they mean. > A beginner who had gotten into it might easily've worked > herself through the brambles into an electronic lake of burning brimstone > before she hollered for help. Well, the issues gets generated when an external rpm is installed. But I guess the most common apps, e.g., Opera and the common apps must be there in the repos. Only some particular rpms which are not so common (or required for specific purpose(s)), can possibly create that problem. But in my view, end users won't use those typical apps which are not bundled in the DVD!

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Display setting problem -
by Bob Goodwin 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

I have a ViewSonic VX2035wm LCD Display monitor on this computer that is not recognized by Fedora-18. in order to get a reasonable display I have to run /usr/bin/xrandr -s 1680x1050 after I am logged in and the display [XFCE] is running. That works for me but it seems a bit clunky and after doing so for more than a year I would like to find some more elegant way to deal with it. I could use a different monitor but I prefer the aspect ratio of this one, it's wide but higher than the others available. Anyone know a better way to deal with this? As it stands it is just one of the things I do every morning after booting the computer ... Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD Box 10 Fedora-19/64 XFCE Linux

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Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds
by Clemens Eisserer 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Hi, After a system update 2-3 weeks ago, applications like java and firefox began to take a quite long time to start up (an extra ~10s). However this only occurs when I am connected to a network, when my laptop is running unconnected everything is fine (however it doesn't matter wether I am connected at home or in the office, so the cause is not a malfunction of my DNS server). Today I tried to find out what is going on and it seems the applications are stalled while looking up the hostname of my own machine ("user-pc"). Shouldn't in this case the lookup return immediantly? As I haven't changed my configuration at all, any idea which update introduced this issue? Thank you in advance, Clemens Stacktrace of firefox starting up: #0 0x0000003fd7aeb7fd in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81 #1 0x0000003fd9e0ad0d in send_dg (resplen2=0x0, anssizp2=0x0, ansp2=0x0, anscp=0x7fffeeec0970, gotsomewhere=<synthetic pointer>, v_circuit=<synthetic pointer>, ns=0, terrno=0x7fffeeebf8f0, anssizp=0x7fffeeebfa30, ansp=0x7fffeeebf8e8, buflen2=0, buf2=0x0, buflen=32, buf=0x7fffeeebfa60 ";\327\001", statp=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>) at res_send.c:1059 #2 __libc_res_nsend (statp=statp@entry=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>, buf=buf@entry=0x7fffeeebfa60 ";\327\001", buflen=<optimized out>, buf2=buf2@entry=0x0, buflen2=buflen2@entry=0, ans=ans@entry=0x7fffeeec0540 "", anssiz=anssiz@entry=1024, ansp=ansp@entry=0x7fffeeec0970, ansp2=ansp2@entry=0x0, nansp2=nansp2@entry=0x0, resplen2=resplen2@entry=0x0) at res_send.c:556 #3 0x0000003fd9e08c47 in __GI___libc_res_nquery (statp=statp@entry=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>, name=name@entry=0x7fffeeec00c0 "user-pc.3.home", class=class@entry=1, type=type@entry=1, answer=answer@entry=0x7fffeeec0540 "", anslen=anslen@entry=1024, answerp=answerp@entry=0x7fffeeec0970, answerp2=answerp2@entry=0x0, nanswerp2=nanswerp2@entry=0x0, resplen2=resplen2@entry=0x0) at res_query.c:226 #4 0x0000003fd9e096ab in __libc_res_nquerydomain (resplen2=0x0, nanswerp2=0x0, answerp2=0x0, answerp=0x7fffeeec0970, anslen=1024, answer=0x7fffeeec0540 "", type=1, class=1, domain=<optimized out>, name=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", statp=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>) at res_query.c:582 #5 __GI___libc_res_nsearch (statp=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>, name=name@entry=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", class=class@entry=1, type=type@entry=1, answer=answer@entry=0x7fffeeec0540 "", anslen=anslen@entry=1024, answerp=0x7fffeeec0970, answerp2=answerp2@entry=0x0, nanswerp2=nanswerp2@entry=0x0, resplen2=resplen2@entry=0x0) at res_query.c:416 #6 0x00007fd0409e17e4 in __GI__nss_dns_gethostbyname3_r (name=name@entry=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", af=af@entry=2, result=result@entry=0x7fffeeec0f00, buffer=buffer@entry=0x7fffeeec0f20 "\177", buflen=buflen@entry=1024, errnop=errnop@entry=0x7fd04e259690, h_errnop=h_errnop@entry=0x7fffeeec0ef4, ttlp=ttlp@entry=0x0, canonp=canonp@entry=0x0) at nss_dns/dns-host.c:192 #7 0x00007fd0409e1af0 in _nss_dns_gethostbyname_r (name=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", result=0x7fffeeec0f00, buffer=0x7fffeeec0f20 "\177", buflen=1024, errnop=0x7fd04e259690, h_errnop=0x7fffeeec0ef4) at nss_dns/dns-host.c:273 #8 0x0000003fd7b0ebd3 in __gethostbyname_r (name=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", resbuf=0x7fffeeec0f00, buffer=0x7fffeeec0f20 "\177", buflen=1024, result=0x7fffeeec0ef8, h_errnop=0x7fffeeec0ef4) at ../nss/getXXbyYY_r.c:263 #9 0x0000003fe921b467 in PR_GetHostByName () from /lib64/libnspr4.so #10 0x00007fd04b25f8fa in nsProfileLock::LockWithSymlink(nsIFile*, bool) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #11 0x00007fd04b25fe92 in nsProfileLock::Lock(nsIFile*, nsIProfileUnlocker**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #12 0x00007fd04b26073b in nsToolkitProfileLock::Init(nsIFile*, nsIFile*, nsIProfileUnlocker**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #13 0x00007fd04b260784 in nsToolkitProfileLock::Init(nsToolkitProfile*, nsIProfileUnlocker**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #14 0x00007fd04b260837 in nsToolkitProfile::Lock(nsIProfileUnlocker**, nsIProfileLock**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #15 0x00007fd04b25a4ca in XREMain::XRE_mainStartup(bool*) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #16 0x00007fd04b25b338 in XREMain::XRE_main(int, char**, nsXREAppData const*) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #17 0x00007fd04b25b5d3 in XRE_main () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #18 0x0000000000403d2f in do_main(int, char**, nsIFile*) () #19 0x00000000004034fc in main ()

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Gnome & Clementine
by antonio montagnani 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

When I start Clementine from inside Firefox (i.e. connecting to radio stream of www.liveireland.com, music starts but Clementine is not shown (playing in the background..so when I want to stop it I have to use System Monitor to kill)- But this happens in Gnome not in Mate for example. Is anyone elsenoting this?? -- Antonio M Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora F19(Schroedinger's cat) on Acer 5720 http://lugsaronno.altervista.org http://www.campingmonterosa.com

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