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[FC8] ssh and CAC card???
by Todd Denniston 17 Sep '24

17 Sep '24

From what I understood, the change to openssh listed in: rpm -q --changelog openssh |less as: "* Wed Jun 20 2007 Tomas Mraz <tmraz(a)redhat.com> - 4.5p1-7 - experimental NSS keys support - correctly setup context when empty level requested (#234951) " was supposed to allow the Common Access Card (CAC) to work with the shipped Fedora 8 ssh. As per NSS usual, everything is undocumented, i.e., `ssh-add --help` does not help at all, and `man ssh-add` points to `ssh-add -s reader` # ssh-add -s 0 Enter passphrase for smartcard: SSH_AGENT_FAILURE Could not add card: 0 # ssh-add -s 1 Enter passphrase for smartcard: SSH_AGENT_FAILURE Could not add card: 1 So does anyone know how to use the possible functionality, or are we reduced to reading the source? -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

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This list's search engine not working?
by HaJo Schatz 22 May '24

22 May '24

Ever since I stumbled across this list, I seem to have major difficulties searching the archives. Say I want to see my posts to the list (they all have the same footer as below), I believe I could go to http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/ and enter "HaJo" as a search string. Searching in all sections, I get 0 results. Does the search engine ignore me by some reason? BTW -- I've been posting since about June, and when showing the archives sorted by author, I do find my posts. OK, not the most helpful to search for my own posts, but I do have the same issue when searching for given topics. Any other search engine out there indexing this list reliably? Google shows 0 hits on a "site:www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/" search... -- HaJo Schatz <hajo(a)hajo.net> http://www.HaJo.Net PGP-Key: http://www.hajo.net/hajonet/keys/pgpkey_hajo.txt

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Re: Tomcat
by Rahul Sadotra 21 May '24

21 May '24

Hi Michael, --- Michael Folin <michael.folin(a)donator.se> wrote: > how do I install Tomcat i fedora? > can't find it during the installation > If you mean during the installation of Fedora Core itself, then I don't think Tomcat is provided with Fedora Core (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). This means you will probably need to download Apache Jakarta Tomcat (either binaries, or the source which you'll need to build) and install it. Hope this helps. All the best, Rahul ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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SATA optical drives
by David Fletcher 22 Jun '23

22 Jun '23

I'm currently running FC5, will probably upgrade to F7 in a couple of months. Unfortunately my CD/DVD rewriter appears to have died, before it's even seen a dual layer disk :'( SATA hard drives run without problems for me, but now that SATA optical drives are starting to appear in the shops, would it be OK to buy one of these and get rid of another wide ribbon cable? Is anybody already running them with Fedora? Thanks for any advice/experiences. Dave F

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Changing date with procmail
by Michael A. Peters 08 Jun '22

08 Jun '22

Anyone know of a procmail recipe to change the date on incoming messages? If the date is in the future by more than 24 hours - I'd like to just change it to the current date. If the date is in the past by more than two weeks - I'd like to just change it to the current date. I'd like to do it in procmail - if someone knows how. I've done some searching, still have some to do. Found some stuff on extracting the date, but not on modifying it if necessary.

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Anyone running F11 on a Dell mini ? (Or another mini ?)
by linux guy 17 Jan '22

17 Jan '22

How is it working for you ? Thanks

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Re: Backing up system
by gmspro 02 Feb '21

02 Feb '21

Hi, http://www.sysresccd.org/Download With the SystemRescueCd I backed up the /dev/sda6 partition in /mnt/backup/ naming "diskimage" After backing up operation the file has the automatic extension like "diskimage.000". Is this file ok to restore? If I name it "diskimage.gz" then it is automatically renamed with this extension "diskimage.gz.000" But here below http://www.sysresccd.org/Screenshots the file is name like this: "diskimage.pimg" Do I have to name with the .pimg extension during backup to restore correctly? And how can I restore it?

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VPN options
by Keith Lofstrom 08 Nov '19

08 Nov '19

I am planning on running a Virtual Private Network from my Fedora firewall out to a UML virtual colo (running RH9) at another site. That site will be the place I present services to the world; httpd, ssh, sftp, smtp. This is to comply with the "no servers" and dynamic ip restrictions on my Comcast connection to the net; if my firewall always drives an outbound connection to the colocation site, I am not worried about changes of ip address, and I am not opening any inbound ports. There are a number of options for the VPN - the most attractive are cipe ( http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/cipe.html ) and FreeSwan ( http://www.freeswan.org/ ), though I am told that one can do all this through an ssh tunnel. I would rather have simple and secure than super-duper; I have plenty of bandwidth, and will send outbound http and smtp from the firewall, so the main bandwidth user will be incoming spam/b/b/b/b mail. Anyone have some experiences to share about setting up VPN? Is there anything about either cipe or FreeSwan that is likely to break with FC1 or FC2? Keith -- Keith Lofstrom keithl(a)ieee.org Voice (503)-520-1993 KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon" Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs

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nc missing option -z
by Suvayu Ali 02 Nov '16

02 Nov '16

Hi, I used to use netcat to check if a particular host is up or if I have internet connection before I run a few scripts. I would use the -z option in particular. But now I see that has been removed: $ nc -z imap.gmail.com 993 && sync-my-email.sh ncat: invalid option -- 'z' Here is the excerpt from the old manual page: -z Specifies that nc should just scan for listening daemons, without sending any data to them. It is an error to use this option in conjunction with the -l option. Any ideas what happened to it? What can I use as replacement? Thanks for any ideas. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.

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Re: Why Fedora is for experts only?
by R. G. Newbury 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

gilpel(a)altern.org wrote: > R. G. Newbury wrote: >> > Even better are the stupid messes where there is NO default setting to >> > change. Google 'kstartupconfig4 error 3' No-one, and I mean no-one knows >> > what causes this, or how to fix it. > > It seems somebody at the Fedora Forum had the same problem and solved it: > > http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%… > > http://minilien.com/?s9wh5OnNYI > > You might also want to try without the "Solved" keyword. There are more > results and sometimes people forget to add "Solved". > >> > It is the lack of documentation which makes Fedora (and Mandriva, and >> > Ubuntu) an OS for experts only..... > > It could indeed be better but geeks will always come up with the right > keyworks and show you the solution was there, somewhere. > > It's easier to find the right keywords when you know the solution :) I wasn't searching using "Solved" and the only keyword 'kstartupconfig4' And *that* answer does not work. My home dir was already 'user:user'. I have also confirmed the chcon context is now 'unconfined_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0' for /home/user And it doesn't work! Still get the error and no login. Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: "Be regular. Eat cron flakes."

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Re: Why Fedora is for experts only?
by R. G. Newbury 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

On 07/24/2009 06:29 PM, gilpel(a)altern.org wrote <snip> > I'm trying to figure out what our great experts would lose if there was a > pause for choosing the kernel. If they don't like this setting, they > wouldn't have to use vi, just the Administration menu. All it takes is a > few seconds and, thereafter, they would never have to suffer a pause when > they reboot every six month. > > What's the name of the guy responsible for this mess? Can you imagine > proselytizing Mac users and having to make sure they understand they will > have to change a default setting, otherwise, they may be locked out of > their system? Even better are the stupid messes where there is NO default setting to change. Google 'kstartupconfig4 error 3' No-one, and I mean no-one knows what causes this, or how to fix it. (Well, if there IS a 'great expert' who knows this, he's not talking). And what happens when you get this error? You cannot log in as a normal user. So I've been forced to log in as root for well over a month now on this laptop. (Quick! Get the smelling salts! A grey-bearded pony-tailed guru just fainted with an attack of the vapours!) And the problem has existed since I "upgraded" to F11...I suspect it has something to do with the fact that the /home partition was retained from F10 and that the chcon context might have something to do with it, but then, like pulseaudio, chcon has entirely too minimal a set of documentation. And I didn't even know chcon existed until a week ago, when it turned up as the possible source/answer to a completely different question about httpd. It is the lack of documentation which makes Fedora (and Mandriva, and Ubuntu) an OS for experts only..... Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: "Be regular. Eat cron flakes."

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?
by Antonio Olivares 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> wrote: > From: gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> > Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 10:32 PM > 'Tonio wrote: > > > Micro$oft is losing out to google, Twitter, Facebook > and others. In a > > last ditch effort. Micro$oft is releasing code > to linux. Check out > > this at distrowatch. > > > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090720 > > Since Linux is strongon th server market, they want to > attract them to > Hyper-V, from what I've read. So? > > > BTW, Redhat also signed a deal with them, are they > > really falling off > > Red Hat signed "a contract" and Suse signed "a contract", > so Red Hat ans > Suse are just the same for both signing "a contract". > > Which "a contract" have both companies signed? > > -- The stories about Microsoft releasing code, was more of a another way to cover up for a GPL violation :( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/microsoft_hyperv_gpl_violation/ http://www.osnews.com/story/21882/Microsoft_s_Linux_Kernel_Code_Drop_Result… Not really because Micro$oft wants to help out a rival or a plague like Steve Ballmer once said. The truth comes out sooner or later. Regards, Antonio

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?
by Antonio Olivares 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

--- On Tue, 7/21/09, gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> wrote: > From: gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> > Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 11:33 PM > > On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 08:08 > +0500, gilpel(a)altern.org > wrote: > >> Excuse me for being rude > > > > No. > > > > Oh, and I'm middle-aged, and run a debt free > business. Being doing so > > for over twenty years. i.e. I live in the real > world, and one that's > > well managed. > > > > The one needing to get a clue, here, is you. You > ONLY speak for > > yourself, and opinions are NOT facts. > > I was just about to go to bed but this message kept > haunting me. There's > lots of truth in what you say here: why care about anything > but the facts > and be haunted by questions instead of facts? Sometimes I > really wished I > was like you... > > Microsoft has 90% of market share, Linux only 1% and people > at Microsoft > certainly are very glad. So, why should we be sad? Wouldn't > this be giving > Microsoft an edge in gladness? > > And if, tomorrow, Linux only has only .01% of the desktop > market, would > that be any reason to be sad? Of course not, since you and > the codec geeks > -- they'll undoubtedly be the last! -- will always hold the > flag. So, > you'll be glad not to be bothered by know-nothing like me > and Microsoft... > will they ever be glad! > > Once again, everybody will be glad. So why worry, be > happy! > > Still, a last question keeps haunting me. No doubt, by now, > since it's all > well documented facts, you've read "From Microsoft Word to > Microsoft > World". In this document, Newman explains how, using its > proprietary > formats, Microsoft got rid of pretty much all competition. > It brought > every company to their knees, thn, bought and scrapped them > one after the > other. > > Of course, Microsoft can't play this game with Linux, since > Linux uses... > or tries to use open formats. Still, sometimes I wonder if, > with all the > money it has, Microsoft couldn't find a way to keep the cap > on Linux. You > know, keep it at an acceptable level of nuisance, say, 1% > of market share > after 18 years. > > Arrrgh! I'm afraid that's what I'll dream about tonight. > What a pain I am, > even to myself! > > -- Micro$oft is losing out to google, Twitter, Facebook and others. In a last ditch effort. Micro$oft is releasing code to linux. Check out this at distrowatch. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090720 I like comment 133. It sounds just about right. There are many nice comments there. BTW, Redhat also signed a deal with them, are they really falling off or are they the Borg that is portrayed in comment 133? Regards, Antonio

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Ranter or evangelist?
by gilpel＠altern.org 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Why is it that, when I insert an audio disk, I see it as an audio disk on my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files that are present. No application is suggested, even under "Open", to play the damned music. If I go to Application, sound and video, the first option, "Audio Player", opens XMMS. Great! I click the forward button... I'm presented with a list of the... no, no, no! not the files on the CD, but the files in my home directory!!! Wow, we're really moving forward! I painfully navigate to /media, there's nothing in /media. Let's check mtab, my DVD/CD is on sr0, I believe. Nope, nothing there. Well, if the intend was to scare away Mac and Windows users, I would think that the success rate is 100%. I've been using Linux for 8 years and even "I" am scared! I do understand Fedora is for geeks, but would it make their life that difficult if things kinda worked? Didn't anybody notice that the present set-up makes absolutely no sense? At least, normally, you should go to => System, Preference, File Management, Media to select a default CD and DVD player. Still impossible! No option to change anything. I wrote about this. Nobody replied. Who's responsible for setting things this way? Is anyboby responsible somewhere or is it "We do all this together in a haphazard way" ? If so, never expect any significant market share for Linux. Radio-Canada will continue to use Windows Media because "Linux is too hard for ordinary people" (MSFT trademark). You think I'm a ranter? I've been told this quite often. But, while some people write code, I write to the Quebec Press Council. I explain that a certain so-called journalist is just a Microsoft sycophant. Every time he used Windows Vista, of course, there were a few... almost bugs. but certainly no show stopper. With Linux, the question is more complex. When a new version of Firefox comes out, for instance, instead of waiting for the upgrade, he gets the executable at Mozilla and, then, everything gets really complicated. Of course, the Press Concil understands perfectly what's going on. I made sure my basic complaint was very easy to understand: I explained the journalist NEVER discussed the appropriateness for the State -- television, amongst others -- of using proprietary format and never discussed tied sales. That's it, that's all. Still, after counceiding that the Press organisation lawyers had well understood my POV, the Council judged that the journalist gives a lot of coverage to Linux -- they didn't elabore on the kind of coverage: they can't evaluate, of course -- and, you know, given that Linux hardly has 1% of the market share, they found the coverage was adequate. So, I filed an appeal... and sent a copy to the Professional Federation of Journalists... I got my appeal. But the fight is far from over. The Press Council is heavily subsidized by the employer of said journalist, and Radio-Canada, another member of the Microsoft club. Seeing subsidies vaporize scares the shit out of those learned men: they could lose their precious jobs! So, they'll try every trick in the book to give a very mild tone to their judgement. But I have a few other tricks in my book to set the records straight, though having the support from the Linux community would certainly help. Cause... do you really believe I got any help from local coders for this fight? I got none, absolutely NONE. Why? Cause I'm a ranter. In other words, though I am not a programmer, when I see things that are not done correctly, I say so. They tell me I should fix the bugs. Why is it that there are so many programmers and I can't even set a default application for reading CD and DVDs? While I'm alone to do what I consider my job, why is it that the whole community doesn't get its act together to do such simple things? Sometimes I wished I could proselytize in a more positive way. I'd like to tell Apple users that Linux equals or surpasses OS X in user friendlyness, but it doesn't. It was like this ten years ago, it is still like this now. Countrary to what we could think from the success of Steve Jobs at the helm of Apple, in the Linux world, the only people who count are programmers. They'll fix things... soon. But Linux is not so young anymore. After 18 years, it has 1% market share. I believe there are some organizational bugs that need to be ironed out. For now, from an administrative POV, Linux is a merry-go-round that doesn't make much sense. What do you say, am I a ranter or an evangelist? Is it good for Linux to be ruled by programmers, the alternative not being necessarily the marketing department? :) Red Hat has some clout. How come they don't say "We want a music player that first detects CD files and plays them" and accept to include them on the default CD only on this condition? Etc., etc., etc.

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Re: Ranter or evangelist?
by Jackson Byers 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Tim wrote >There's gnome-mplayer (there's probably a KDE variant), and smplayer, to >try out, at least. >I have used GUI programs like XMMS or Audacious to play streams, but >sometimes you need to tweak the preferences, to increase cache sizing, >to avoid skips. Totem is too much of a black box (not enough options to >play with). Before seeing above response, I had just tried smplayer and it seems to be working well no skips smplayer -playlist xxxxxxxxx.pls and it comes up with a small window that has volume slider and mute just what i want.. I havent tried it yet to play audio dvd Seems like I can remove Totem Jack

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How do I switch mirror for rpmfusion?
by gilpel＠altern.org 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

I'm still having problems downloading from liberty.edu . Ex, installing kdenlive: Total download size: 13 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: (1/15): GraphicsMagick-1.1.14-4.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 2.4 MB 00:05 (2/15): dvdauthor-0.6.14-8.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 187 kB 00:00 (3/15): dvgrab-3.4-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 133 kB 00:01 (4/15): ffmpeg-0.5-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 160 kB 00:01 (5/15): ffmpeg-libs-0.5-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 2.5 MB 00:15 (6/15): imlib2-1.4.2-4.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 228 kB 00:01 (7/15): jack-audio-connection-kit-0.116.1-5.fc11.x86_64. | 203 kB 00:01 (8/15): jack-audio-connection-kit-example-clients-0.116. | 42 kB 00:00 (9/15): kdenlive-0.7.4-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 2.6 MB 00:15 (10/15): libfreebob-1.0.11-5.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 160 kB 00:01 (11/15): mlt-0.4.2-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 144 kB 00:30 ... http://mirror.liberty.edu/pub/rpmfusion/free/fedora/updates/11/x86_64/mlt-0…: [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out Trying other mirror. (11/15): mlt-0.4.2-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 3.4 MB 00:09 (12/15): openjpeg-libs-1.3-4.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 66 kB 00:00 (13/15): recordmydesktop-0.3.8.1-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 65 kB 00:00 (14/15): schroedinger-1.0.6-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 233 kB 00:01 (15/15): sox-14.2.0-2.fc11.x86_64.rpm | 458 kB 00:02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total 137 kB/s | 13 MB 01:35 I very often get those "Socket Error: timed out" interruptions. How do I switch mirror for rpmfusion?

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Setting up HP laserjets (1012) to work with Fedora 11
by gilpel＠altern.org 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Unrelated to topic: I lost quite a bit of messages downloading them from Altern to Thunderbird and not being able to upload afterwards* but I would like to thank Todd Zullinger for reminding me that welcome messages are not just a way for forums owner to be polite :) But somethimes, you have many things to read... * ping smtp.altern.org ping: unknown host smtp.altern.org This used to work, but not anymore, according to lantre.org. So, I'll have to set up a Gmail account. Later. ----------------------------- Setting up HP laserjets (1012) to work I discovered a bug with the setting of my printer, an HP 1012. The configuration seemed really easy as it was identified correctly on a USB Port. A few clicks, and I was done. I didn't even check to see if it worked: I never had a problem setting this printer for years. Then, I tried to print and I had a message saying that the printer wasn't connected. Weird: CUPS was installed, the wire was OK. I went back to configuration and I saw there's an option for using HAL, the Hardware Abstraction Layer. I do believe HAL has always been part of setting my printer. So, I selected it but received the message that the HPIJS driver was not available. (Note that I tried the Gutenprint driver when the printer wasn't set to use HAL: it didn't work.) I installed hpijs, now everything is fine. I don't remember ever being asked to use HAL with another distro: it was always put to contribution, I suppose. So, there must be a way around this. Most newbies will never consider an option that isn't selected by default for a printer. Most probably other printers that use HPIJS have the same problem. Those that use ppd files, probably not.

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Did I really install Kmod-Nvidia ?
by gilpel＠altern.org 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

There are all sorts of instructions as to how to install Kmod-Nvidia on Fedora, but I thought yum would do a better job of guessing my configuration (x86_64, 9400 GT) to get the most up-to-date correct package and getting everything right. So, I just typed: yum install kmod-nvidia Now, /etc/X11/xorg.conf looks like this: # Xorg configuration created by livna-config-display Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia" ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "AIGLX" "on" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" EndSection Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection The file is only a few minutes old... So, I suppose it's a new config for the Kmod driver. But the process was so transparent, I can't help but wonder if all those modifications to the kernel that I read about in the doc have been made. If so, why not provide the documentation that all that is needed is to type the yum command? The Nouveau driver worked very well and, since I'm not too sure I'll install 3D, maybe I could have kept it. But my screen kept blanking once in a while for a few seconds. This happened with my previous computer too -- it had an old ATI card, the same monitor and a very standard open source driver for ATI -- but not so often and not for so long: it was just a quick blank. I thought this might fix the problem. Also, I intend to install a TV card and, it anything doesn't work, I'm sure the first suggestion from Nvidia will be to install their driver. As the material I buy is only on a one week money back guarantee, I prefer to make sure everything works in advance. Also, as it often happens when I download new packages, there was a socket error and a long (~ 1-2 min) halt before another server took over. (I forgot to save the console screen before I rebooted, but the name "liberty" was part of it.) After the installation finished, the rx/tx light of the modem began flashing very fast as if there was a download occuring... or maybe an upload if some information on the installation has to be sent back to rpmfusion or nvidia. No indication of what was going on appeared onscreen. Is this anything to be concerned about? Any idea What this transfer was about?

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Re: Getting more juice from a preamp?
by Antonio Olivares 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

--- On Sat, 7/11/09, gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> wrote: > From: gilpel(a)altern.org <gilpel(a)altern.org> > Subject: Getting more juice from a preamp? > To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com > Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:34 PM > I listen to sound on my system with > headphones, so I only use the preamp. > > This aft, I was watching this feature on the cause of > Beethoven's death: > > http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/decouverte/2008-2009/Reportage.asp?idD… > > but the sound is a bit weak. You don't miss anything, but > you feel you > have to be very attentive. Maybe they wanted to make you > feel like you're > getting deaf yourself :) > > I checked alsamixer, but volume control is maxed out. Is > there any other > control somewhere else? Anything in alsactl or pulseaudio, > for instance? > > Thnaks! > > -- Try the following: $ alsamixer -c0 then $ pavucontrol after adjusting those to your preference save your settings with $ su -c '/sbin/alsactl store' put in your password and settings should be saved for next reboot, ***unless*** an update(s) breaks your configuration and let us hope that those things don't happen :) Regards, Antonio

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Problems with 3COM 3C900Combo
by Christian Moller 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Hi all Fedora users, I have just joined this list. I am running the latest Fedora but I can't get my 3C900Combo networking card to work. I can see that the card is installed but no IP-address is asigned to it and I can't set it. So I think that there is a bug in that driver. Any other user out there who have a solution for this? Best regards and thanks, Christian

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RAGE XL Framebuffer
by Yanick Quirion 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

Hi all I know that is not a specific question about Fedora, but I can't find answer on the kernel mailing list. Is somebody having server with integrated ATI RAGE XL video card? Is it possible to patch the kernel to support this video card? If I add VGA=791 in my grub.conf, I will have a resolution of 1024x768 which is good, but the display is very slow (especially when the screen is scrolling). If I use I this: "video=aty128fb:1024x768@70" it will not work. I'm using kernel 2.4.22 but I will try 2.6.0-test11 today. If somebody has a patch, a link or anything else that can help me, it will be appreciated. Thanks for your help. Regards, ----------- Yanick Quirion Administrateur Réseau/Network Manager NEOKIMIA INC. Institut de Pharmacologie de Sherbrooke 3e étage (Édifice Z5) 3001 12e avenue Nord Sherbrooke, Québec CANADA J1H 5N4 Tél.: +1 819 820-6040 Direct: +1 819 820-6855 Fax.: +1 819 820-6841 email: Yanick.Quirion(a)neokimia.com

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Soundblaster
by Antonio Montagnani 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

I have two similar PC (old Pentium but workin fine) In Pc no.1 I upgraded from RH8 to Fedora and it went fine: Soundblaster is working fine In Pc no.2 I made a fresh installation but in redhat-sound-config Fedora doesn't see any card, that was working on Redhat 9 after soundconfig... Where is the trick?? I assume that my Sounblaster is an old 16...but fine on a router/firewall. Tnx Antonio

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WiFi permanently disappeared after booting test kernel
by Mike Fleetwood 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

Hi, On my netbook I booted a test kernel 3.8.0-rc4+ I compiled. Now after booting back into my regular Fedora kernel 3.6.11-5.fc17.i686.PAE my wifi network device remains permanently disappeared. No wifi networks displayed in Network Manager gui. Also the Network Manager syslog messages make it look like the device has completely disappeared. Suggestions for restoring wifi welcome. Thanks Mike Fragment of Network Manager syslog messages when working before --8<-- Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> monitoring kernel firmware directory '/lib/firmware'. Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> rfkill2: found WiFi radio killswitch (at /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.3/0000:01:00.0/ieee80211/phy0/rfkill2) (driver ath9k) Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> rfkill0: found WiFi radio killswitch (at /sys/devices/platform/eeepc/rfkill/rfkill0) (platform driver eeepc) Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> rfkill4: found WWAN radio killswitch (at /sys/devices/platform/eeepc/rfkill/rfkill4) (platform driver eeepc) Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> WiFi enabled by radio killswitch; enabled by state file Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> WWAN enabled by radio killswitch; enabled by state file Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> WiMAX enabled by radio killswitch; enabled by state file Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> Networking is enabled by state file ... Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> (wlan0): using nl80211 for WiFi device control Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <warn> (wlan0): driver supports Access Point (AP) mode Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> (wlan0): new 802.11 WiFi device (driver: 'ath9k' ifindex: 3) Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> (wlan0): exported as /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/1 Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> (wlan0): now managed Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> (wlan0): device state change: unmanaged -> unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 20 2] Jan 18 23:01:53 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> (wlan0): bringing up device. ... Jan 18 23:01:59 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> Activation (wlan0) successful, device activated. Jan 18 23:01:59 edge NetworkManager[479]: <info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IPv4 Commit) complete. Fragment of Network Manager syslog messages when broken after --8<-- Jan 28 18:43:26 edge NetworkManager[466]: <info> monitoring kernel firmware directory '/lib/firmware'. Jan 28 18:43:26 edge NetworkManager[466]: <info> rfkill0: found WiFi radio killswitch (at /sys/devices/platform/eeepc/rfkill/rfkill0) (platform driver eeepc) Jan 28 18:43:26 edge NetworkManager[466]: <info> rfkill2: found WWAN radio killswitch (at /sys/devices/platform/eeepc/rfkill/rfkill2) (platform driver eeepc) Jan 28 18:43:26 edge NetworkManager[466]: <info> WiFi disabled by radio killswitch; enabled by state file Jan 28 18:43:26 edge NetworkManager[466]: <info> WWAN enabled by radio killswitch; enabled by state file Jan 28 18:43:26 edge NetworkManager[466]: <info> WiMAX enabled by radio killswitch; enabled by state file Jan 28 18:43:26 edge NetworkManager[466]: <info> Networking is enabled by state file No (wlan0) related NetworkManager syslog messages afterwards at all.

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losing WiFi Access - prompted for password
by SternData 09 Jun '14

09 Jun '14

F18... Over the last few days, I'm getting prompted to re-enter my password for my WiFi network. It's not the router because no other device on the network seems to be having problems. Potential changes on my system include May 07 21:39:32 Updated: 1:wpa_supplicant-1.1-1.fc18.x86_64 May 25 15:33:44 Installed: kernel-3.9.3-201.fc18.x86_64 May 27 08:06:42 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-glib-0.9.8.1-3.git20130514.fc18.x86_64 May 27 08:06:47 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-0.9.8.1-3.git20130514.fc18.x86_64 May 27 08:06:53 Updated: network-manager-applet-0.9.8.1-4.git20130514.fc18.x86_64 Given that this has really started the day before yesterday, I suspect it has something to do with the NetworkManager update. Is anyone else having this problem? (Please -- do not tell me to "dump the evil NetworkManager". I'm trying to solve a problem here, not make some stand against the tide. Thanks.) -- -- Steve

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 17 Jan '14

17 Jan '14

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > It's still missing the headers. Give the other browser a try, and we'll > see if that change things. Likewise, you could try changing some of the > privacy settings. Well, I am replying from Opera browser right now. > There's little point in trying to be extremely > private with email on a mailing list, you're posting in public with your > email address. Perhaps they give you choices for certain websites > against others (I'm only familiar with NoScript - it does let you > customise it). Well, my target is not to be private with email but only to be secured with Malware during online web surfing and nothing more. Even when I know that it is Linux, but using those addo-ons just block the malwares and viruses (if), they guarantee that....

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qemu-system-x86 eat 400% CPU
by Franta Hanzlík 09 Jan '14

09 Jan '14

On Fedora 19/x86_64, Xeon 4cores/8threads, 8GB RAM I have in a VM installed windows 2000 (full qemu cmdline see below). What is weird, 'top' on host show that all 4 threads load CPU at 100% each. On guest are running only minimum processes and windows task manager show load 0-2%; virtual machine is almost idle. VM itself seems react well, its responses are fine. Please, how is possible debug this issue? /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -machine accel=kvm -name w2kf19sp4N-ide -S -machine pc-i440fx-1.4,accel=kvm,usb=off -m 4096 -smp 4,sockets=1,cores=2,threads=4 -uuid 1934a452-a128-cf42-2b83-d8943cf9ad3e -no-user-config -nodefaults -chardev socket,id=charmonitor,path=/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/w2kf19sp4N-ide.monitor,server,nowait -mon chardev=charmonitor,id=monitor,mode=control -rtc base=localtime -no-shutdown -device piix3-usb-uhci,id=usb,bus=pci.0,addr=0x1.0x2 -drive file=/mnt/zalohy/virtualy/w2kf19sp2New-ide.img,if=none,id=drive-ide0-0-0,format=raw -device ide-hd,bus=ide.0,unit=0,drive=drive-ide0-0-0,id=ide0-0-0,bootindex=1 -netdev tap,fd=24,id=hostnet0 -device rtl8139,netdev=hostnet0,id=net0,mac=52:54:00:54:ec:4f,bus=pci.0,addr=0x3 -chardev pty,id=charserial0 -device isa-serial,chardev=charserial0,id=serial0 -device usb-tablet,id=input0 -vnc 127.0.0.1:0 -vga std -device intel-hda,id=sound0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x4 -device hda-duplex,id=sound0-codec0,bus=sound0.0,cad=0 -device virtio-balloon-pci,id=balloon0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x5 TIA, Franta Hanzlik

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sharing /boot among multible Linux distros
by Javier Perez 10 Dec '13

10 Dec '13

Hi I need some advice here. I am running a triple-boot system (Windows 2K, Fedora 19, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS). It has three HDDs, one for each OS. (Windows, Fedora, Ubuntu). I am planning to upgrade this system for Christmas. Windows will go away and I will only run it virtualized. I have more than a year since I boot it last. I am planning to put a a small (100GB to 200 GB) SDD to host the OS of Ubuntu and Fedora and have a big HDD for the /home, /var partition and swap partitions. In theory, Ubuntu and Fedora will have their own partitions inside the SDD. My question is, can I share the /boot partition between Fedora and Ubuntu? both are using Grub2. Right now I have two /boot partitions (one on each HDD) and it is a pain. For some reason, Ubuntu does not find out Fedora unless I mount the disk each time I update ubuntu kernel. If I update Fedora kernel I have to go to Ubuntu to redo the boot config files. (Yes, the master boot goes to Ubuntu for some reason I do not remember any more). I want to keep just one /boot partition of maybe 800 MB to make everyone feel confy. Also, although it is off topic, is there any good tutorial to virtualize the Win2K partition as is? I'd really hate having to reinstall all my programs and stuff even if I am not using them much anymore. It will be kind of more trouble having to search for old drivers and stuff.I have the original CDs for all the programs, but many of the updates will be missing/disappeared. Also I will have to locate again FOSS software compatible with win2k -- ------------------------------ /\_/\ |O O| pepebuho(a)gmail.com ~~~~ Javier Perez ~~~~ While the night runs ~~~~ toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch.

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fedup 18->19 and GRUB upgrade several seconds
by Dave Mitchell 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

I'm currently preparing to fedup an F18 system to F19, looking at these instructions: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Installation_Guide/ch18s… The bit about updating the GRUB bootloader has got gotten me confused. My system is a newish x86_64 laptop, with F18 as the only thing on it, installed from scratch (no upgrades etc). The instructions say to look in /var/log/anaconda/anaconda.program.log where you'll find a command similar to efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sdX -p Y -l \EFI\redhat\grub.efi then later on, run efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sdX -p Y -l '\EFI\fedora\grubx64.efi' -b bootnumber Now, the command I see in the anaconda log is in fact: efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sda -p 1 -l \EFI\fedora\shim.efi This differs from the example in the docs by '-p 1' verses '-p Y' and 'shim.efi' verses 'grub.efi'. So, what values should I give for the -p and -l options? Also, its not entirely clear what 'bootnumber' value for the -b arg should be; should this the same number as used to delete the old boot entry in the previous step? -- You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive.

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Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds
by Clemens Eisserer 08 Dec '13

08 Dec '13

Hi Richard, > You appear to have given your machine a name that won't resolve via > public dns (.home doesn't exist), and that you haven't added to the > local machine lookups. I am confused. The "home.3" domain is added by my 3g-to-wlan router for sure via dhcp. Could it be that dhclient was changed to set also the domain distributed over dhcp, and this is the reason why this issue started ~1 month ago? However, when I execute the hostname command, I get "user-pc.erdberg" - where erdberg is the domain of another network I frequently use the laptop (and also probably have installed it). > user-pc.3.home > > to the 127.0.0.1 and ::1 entry lines in your /etc/hosts file. Thanks for the hint, I'll give it a try tomorrow. Thanks, Clemens

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F18: XDMCP kinda works....
by Dan Thurman 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

but fails to show password-box after clicking the User name thus impossible to log on.

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Default browser
by Beartooth 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

In the past, I have always set my default browser to Dillo, which is very fast and very safe; and it usually shows me at least enough to guess reasonably well whether I want to go on, switch to another browser, or skip the site. I've managed to make it a partial default (under xfce4 in F18). Pan, for instance, routinely opens links in Dillo. Alpine, however, does not. (I run Alpine on a remote host, over ssh; is that relevant? It does open Firefox.) Like so many other things of late, the software to set default choices seems to have been moved to some new place, without leaving a spoor behind to follow. So the place I found to set defaults is quite likely not the main one. What is?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.

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evince
by Patrick Dupre 03 Dec '13

03 Dec '13

Hello, The viewing ot the attached file is correct with xpsd and acroread, but is wrong with evince. The correct character is a \Delta with the wrong character for me is \Phi. Would you know what is wrong? Thank. =========================================================================== Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdupre(a)gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===========================================================================

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Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on
by Hugh Caley 03 Dec '13

03 Dec '13

I'm voting for Cinnamon, since the developer of compiz isn't interested in keeping it going. But maybe if MATE was the default for Fedora he'd change his mind? Or someone else would take over? Hugh -- *Hugh Caley Software Developer, Rocket Aldon Rocket Software* 6001 Shellmound St. Ste. 600 · Emeryville, CA 94608 · USA · Tel:+1.510.285.8542 Email:hcaley@rocketsoftware.com Web:http://aldon.rocketsoftware.com

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Best (Fedora) way to capture/archive videos for LATER editing?
by M. Fioretti 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

Greetings, I already know my way around nonlinear video editing on Linux. This time I'm looking for pointers to general information useful for the procedure below, as well as tips on the best software and hardware peripherals to do it on Fedora boxes. My relatives asked me to "make sense" of the family home made videos. So I should transform an ugly mess of already existing analog or digital movies of ALL sorts into one archive of digital video clips ready for later editing. "ALL sorts" means everything from VHS and DV tapes to home-made DVDs and NEVER edited footage by assorted camcorders, smartphones, digital cameras.. "later editing" means that the "ONLY" thing I'm supposed to do now is: - capture the video from FireWire camcorders, VHS players etc, when not already on file - discard all the useless scenes (like those ten-minutes-long close ups of the ground of the inside of a backpack, because somebody forgot to turn the camcorder off and started walking...) - convert all what's left, regardless of its origin, in clips in one open digital format. Possibly lossless, possibly able to carry some metadata inside like author, comments, subject tags... all the real editing and "publishing", like mixing clips, adding effects, titles and soundtracks, uploading to YouTube, burning to DVD, whatever.. will happen later, if/when somebody feels like it. I "just" have to prepare the raw video archive, that is to save the footage (minus the useless scenes) all in one place. Therefore, the questions are: what do you think is the best "one, open digital format" (assuming it exists...) that would make it possible later editing and transcoding, with the smallest possible degradation? What forums or online tutorials would you recommend to know more on this? What Fedora-compatible video capture hardware should I buy to hook VHS players, Firewire camcorders... to my computer? what tools do you recommend (command-line stuff is OK) for grabbing the video from that hardware, transcoding and saving to disk only specified parts automatically (meaning connect the VHS player, then tell Fedora "save by yourself only the first 5:30 minutes, then from minute 40:20 to 43:10, of the incoming video") Thanks a lot for any feedback Marco

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Re: Why some say "rpm elysium"
by AP 01 Dec '13

01 Dec '13

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:58 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > yes, i am aware. You are not in aware of what you talk and say. Asking questions is not being a troll!! Further you yourself seem a troll. Annovira.

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138a:0018 Validity Sensors will not work
by Jerome Yanga 01 Dec '13

01 Dec '13

Please help me get my fingerprint sensor to work. # cat /etc/redhat-release Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow) # uname -a Linux laptop1 3.9.6-200.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jun 13 18:56:55 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux # yum list installed | grep fprint fprint_demo.x86_64 0.4-10.fc18.1 @fedora fprintd.x86_64 0.4.1-4.fc18 @koji-override-1/$releasever fprintd-pam.x86_64 0.4.1-4.fc18 @koji-override-1/$releasever libfprint.x86_64 0.5.0-2.fc18 installed libfprint-devel.x86_64 0.5.0-2.fc18 installed Thank you in advance. j

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netflix
by Mike Wright 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

Hi all, Anybody know how to get Netflix to play on a fedora box???

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accessing a network scanning device
by lee 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

Hi, how would I go about accessing a scanning device that is connected via network? The device is an OKI MB441 and supports TWAIN and WSD (whatever that is ...). Google hasn't been helpful at all with this. Everyone seems to assume that you would connect the scanner to a computer through USB, SCSI or a parallel cable and make the scanner available on the network through the computer it is connected to by running saned on the computer. I have it the other way round, the scanner is on the network and I want to access it from my computer via network. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)

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F18: TigerVnc incomplete?
by Dan Thurman 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

What's up with TigerVnc? It seems to be missing the Ctrl-Alt-Del icon and other icons for Windoes? If there is another VncClient that has it, what would it be?

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Up to F20??
by Beartooth 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

Do we know yet whether those of us on F18 (lots of us, if my impression is accurate) who want to move up to F20 but prefer to avoid a fresh install with all its restorations from backups -- whether we'll be better off running fedup twice, or upgrading with a medium? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.

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Re: is something wrong with email server?
by AP 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote: > Check this how this list's archive: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-November/thread.html > You can clearly see the breakage you are causing: All of your postings start > a new thread, i.e. replies of yours do not appear in the thread you are > replying to. Well thanks for posting this link. As a home user, I really don't know why is this happening...! I am myself amazed. What is the remedy then? (Just uses browser to send mails). Is it a browser's bug?

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Re: Why some say "rpm elysium" test
by SternData 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

Adding "test" to the end of the subject line. On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko(a)greshko.com> wrote: > On 11/30/13 10:12, Joe Eff wrote: > > On 11/29/2013 04:14 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> It would be overly complex for google to have to determine if you've > actually did change the subject line to then decide if it should remove the > References: header. > > > > How hard can it be to compare the new Subject to a copy of the old one > and not change other headers if they're identical? > > If one adds a few "!" to indicate emphasis has the meaning changed? If > one changes a word from "their" to "there" to correct a typo has the > meaning changed? Technically, yes. But practically? > > Anyway, this is well beyond the scope of this list. So, have fun taking > this debate on to wherever it leads. > > -- > Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts > -- > users mailing list > users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org >

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Why SIGKILL signal not terminate a process?
by Franta Hanzlík 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

On my Fedora 19 i686 I see weird thing - when killing processes (by commands as: killall -9 kactivitymanagerd killall -9 gam_server killall -9 kded4 killall -9 systemd killall -9 atril or with PID: kill -9 1 1322 10612 10619 ), then processes stay running - they are not zombies (for PID=1 be zombie perhaps does not make sense), but eat CPU, occupy memory etc. I cannot say this behavior is always (I'm killing processes only when I need it), but I saw this several times, with last Fedora distros. It is bad glibc signal() implementation or what else? Regards, Franta Hanzlik

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couple questions about LVM setup during f19 installation
by Robert P. J. Day 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

(been a while since i've used fedora extensively, am now switching back so first few questions might be on the simple side.) first, during an f19 install, i chose to do an LVM install and explicitly selected a small number of logical volumes to create but i wanted the single volume group itself to encompass the entire remaining 300G of the hard drive, so i could later just "lvcreate" more logical volumes in the free space in that volume group. instead, while i *thought* i had specified that i wanted the volume group to max out on the hard drive, it was created only large enough to hold the fixed-size logical volumes i selected. so at this point, i would have to create another PV for the rest of the hard drive, and extend the volume group to encompass that. what should i have selected during install to specify that i wanted the volume group to consist of a single PV that took up the entire remaining part of the hard drive? and, second, once the system was running, i checked out the alleged kickstart file that was created that would represent the installation, and for the disk layout, all i saw was the directive: autopart --type=lvm i was expecting to see a more detailed breakdown of the way i defined my logical volumes -- is that not included in the auto-generated kickstart file? thanks muchly. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ========================================================================

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by Ian Malone 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

On 28 November 2013 09:29, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 28 November 2013, Roger sent: >> I haven't been following this discussion thread closely of late but >> would like to understand how and what emails, clients, headers, gmail >> and faults or not with browsers has to do with "Why some say "rpm >> hell". I seem to have missed a step. > > The thread diverged, and nobody changed the subject line. I think it > just petered out with an explanation of what "RPM hell" was, and how > it's not unique to RPM. > > If your mail client does threading, you could collapse this thread, and > walk back up its heritage until it split off. And you could follow just > the original thread, keeping this tangent hidden out of the way. > > You can't do that when someone stuffs up the threading headers. All the > replies just get thrown in a mess on the floor. > > I can't think how the problem poster is doing this, other than by being > deliberately annoying. > Deliberate or not, it was at least interesting. If using a separate client it can be quite easy, but that normally leaves a more apparent signature in the header showing it's been received by smtp or similar. The problem is that however it's done this is apparently accomplished in just the gmail web interface. (You could also I suppose, if really trolling, compose each reply as a new mail, cutting and pasting, hadn't really considered that possibility.) It turns out if you use the 'edit subject' option gmail drops the references and in-reply-to (even if you don't actually edit the subject). Arguably this is exactly what you don't want to happen, since you can't edit a subject to indicate something like 'solved' or the that topic has drifted. Anyway, apologies, I've tried it in this email to demonstrate. There may be other ways to accomplish it. If AP is doing this unintentionally then you can avoid it by using the 'pop-out' option to get an pop-out window rather than edit subject which gets the pop-out but also breaks references. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk

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Re: is something wrong with email server?
by AP 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Michael Schwendt <mschwendt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So, you've got some homework to do. Figure out in which unusual way you > reply to messages from this mailing-list so that the "References:" and > "In-Reply-To:" headers are missing in your mails. At Google Mail, prefer > the Reply button, don't edit the subject. Sure, but I really just use Reply button. I never changed the subject but still that happened...is something amazing...Sitll I would do what you say with more caution. Ok.

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Re: is something wrong with email server?
by AP 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:00 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > 'ap' is not _normal_. ;=) LOL, you yourself are not normal!! And you great name 'g'...lmao!!

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Re: is something wrong with email server?
by AP 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Michael Schwendt <mschwendt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, that's very likely. Which browser is it? Opera and Firefox both.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Garry T. Williams <gtwilliams(a)gmail.com> wrote: > As to why this guy among all the others here is posting broken > messages, I am betting g is correct. Man, you bet without any guarantee! There seems no logic. Asking questions and gaining from user's experiences counts, no more a troll!!

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Audio from Win 7 guest VM decided to work, all of a sudden
by Sam Varshavchik 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

After just installing a new Windows 7 guest, I was surprised to hear some scratchy audio, from Windows, when it booted. I never had any luck getting any audio from guest VMs. I have a different, existing Windows 7 VM that's not producing any audio, on a different laptop. So now that, apparently, in F19 you can have audio passthrough from guest VMs, anyone knows what knobs need to be tweaked on an existing VM, to enable audio passthrough? Or, maybe it's hardware specific, and depends on audio hardware capabilities.

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Re: is something wrong with email server?
by AP 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Michael Schwendt <mschwendt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > No, AP's replies don't contain any "References:" or "In-Reply-To:" > headers. I really don't know about it.

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is something wrong with email server?
by Edward M 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

Just started reading emails and noticed AP's emails are scattered all over the place. Is there something wrong with fedora's email server that is scattering emails? -- "Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing." — Ralph M. Hawtrey, former Secretary of Treasury, England

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Ian Malone <ibmalone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Deliberate or not, it was at least interesting. If using a separate > client it can be quite easy, but that normally leaves a more apparent This mail really did the exact the same break of thread and appears in my Inbox as a separate mail, no clue of "why".

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > And the headers are still missing. > What happens if you don't block scripting while you're doing this? > Enable it before you hit reply, type your reply, then send it. Scripting....!! There is no additional add-on installed in Opera!!

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 10:31 AM, poma <pomidorabelisima(a)gmail.com> wrote: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg01470.html > This dude is obviously a spammer, and for you dgboles it seems to be a > rather enjoyable. > Good to know. So what? You can ask in different places to know the experiences and knowledge of different communities? I wonder on your thinking!!

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UTF-8 enabled enscript? - looking for a way to print UTF-8 text from CLI
by Max Pyziur 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

UTF-8 enabled enscript - looking for a way to print UTF-8 text from CLI? Whenever I to use enscript to print a text file with characters out of base ASCII range, the results are garbled. gedit works well, but I'm looking for something like enscript where you can control things quickly: rotate orientation; control fontsize; add or eliminate banners; etc. Advice? Much thanks, Max Pyziur pyz(a)brama.com

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VOB
by Richard Vickery 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

Being on the test kernel - or, more likely, using a more stable one from the list that is compiled - is probably the answer to the issue: how am I to watch a VOB file? Linux 3.11.9-300.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Nov 20 22:23:25 UTC 2013 x86_64 Thanks -- Richard

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:23 AM, David <dgboles(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Frankly I find it hard to comprehend just how the browser and any of > it's settings, would have any interaction with an email written on the > Gmail Web interface, or any email interface. I wonder to think this but I never earlier noted all this aspects. What and why would a browser would do anything with the users' personal email settings...?

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Fedora 19 Radeon graphic cart 8730 M
by Ger van Dijck 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

Hi, I have an Dell Inspiron 17 R with a card Radeon 8730M . Is there a way to configure this hardware with driver software so it functionates on a proper way and does not come in the fall back mode ? Help woulde be usefull . Kind regards , Ger van Dijck. -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:23 AM, David <dgboles(a)gmail.com> wrote: > https://www.box.com/shared/78msc32ktf0k6oed51wq Almost everything is technical....

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Re: evince
by Patrick Dupre 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Schwendt > Sent: 11/27/13 06:12 PM > To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Re: evince > > On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:18:37 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > The viewing ot the attached file is correct with xpsd and acroread, > > but is wrong with evince. > > The correct character is a \Delta with the wrong character for me > > is \Phi. > > > > Would you know what is wrong? > > It's a delta symbol here. > > $ rpm -q evince > evince-3.10.3-1.fc20.x86_64 > OK, in fedora 18, it is evince-3.6.1-2.fc18.x86_64. Is it the reason? Thank. =========================================================================== Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdupre(a)gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===========================================================================

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Ian Malone <ibmalone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I think this is the right attitude, adblock, noscript etc. are things > you use to protect you online, not for protection of your emails. E.g. > it's your gmail account rather than the emails you're sending with it > that you are trying to protect in this situation. And using linux > doesn't give you any protection against things like > cross-site-scripting attacks or other on-line tricks even if it is > harder against classic malware, so it's still sensible to take care > out there. Oh well.

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RE: evince
by Patrick Dupre 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

> > What are you. Asking.. I am not getting Should I set up something to have the correct viewing? I cannot use it with "wrong" character while I think that evince would be helpfull for some purpose. In one word I would like to use evince, but because the displaying is wrong, I just cannot use it! However, I may have not configured it properly! I was even thinking that there may be an issue with postscript level 2 and level 3! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Patrick Dupre" <pdupre(a)gmx.com> > > Sent: ‎27-‎11-‎2013 08:48 PM > > To: "fedora" <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > > Subject: evince > > > > Hello, > > > > The viewing ot the attached file is correct with xpsd and acroread, > > but is wrong with evince. > > The correct character is a \Delta with the wrong character for me > > is \Phi. > > > > Would you know what is wrong? > > > > Thank. > > > > =========================================================================== > > Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdupre(a)gmx.com > > Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | > > Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | > > Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 > > 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France > > =========================================================================== =========================================================================== Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdupre(a)gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===========================================================================

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Re: A Question About Orca After Installation
by poma 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

On 27.11.2013 16:58, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: > Hello folks, I've gotten Fedora 19, and I love what I've > experienced thus far. I have two important questions about > post-installation: will Orca start up after I reboot the system, > and does Fedora 19 use Gnome 3.10? Bummer, doesn't work with the Birdie. Runnin within the Xfce. poma

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RE: evince
by mulkesh sharma 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

What are you. Asking.. I am not getting -----Original Message----- From: "Patrick Dupre" <pdupre(a)gmx.com> Sent: ‎27-‎11-‎2013 08:48 PM To: "fedora" <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: evince Hello, The viewing ot the attached file is correct with xpsd and acroread, but is wrong with evince. The correct character is a \Delta with the wrong character for me is \Phi. Would you know what is wrong? Thank. =========================================================================== Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdupre(a)gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===========================================================================

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F18: Adobe Acrobat Reader fails hyperlinks?
by Dan Thurman 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

It appears that on Fedora 18, Adobe Acrobat Reader hyperlinks (control-left-click on link) fails to execute properly and bring up the the web page. I tried the same PDF file on F13 and it works. Is it a bug or is there something I need to do to make this work?

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Display setting problem CORRECTION-
by Bob Goodwin 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

CORRECTION: Fedora-19 I have a ViewSonic VX2035wm LCD Display monitor on this computer that is not recognized by Fedora-19. in order to get a reasonable display I have to run /usr/bin/xrandr -s 1680x1050 after I am logged in and the display [XFCE] is running. That works for me but it seems a bit clunky and after doing so for more than a year I would like to find some more elegant way to deal with it. I could use a different monitor but I prefer the aspect ratio of this one, it's wide but higher than the others available. Anyone know a better way to deal with this? As it stands it is just one of the things I do every morning after booting the computer ... Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD Box 10 Fedora-19/64 XFCE Linux

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How avoid unwanted systemd-journald?
by Franta Hanzlík 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

For one thing I'm in the conviction that binary logs are hazardous bullshit, for another on my two F19 machines systemd-journald occupy significant part of resources (after several days it is often 1.5 to 2.5 GB RAM and several GB on /var/log/journal/*/* filesystem). Then, how I can avoid this crap and log only to standard rsyslogd? I tried set "LogTarget=syslog-or-kmsg" in "[Manager]" section of /etc/systemd/{system.conf,user.conf}, but this not helped; setting "Storage=none" in "[Journal]" section of /etc/systemd/journald.conf is better, but I want ideally completely cut out systemd-journald from my systems. TIA, Franta Hanzlik

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Writing English.
by Rolf Turner 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

Just read some stuff on this list about "spins", a concept which had not previously impinged itself upon my consciousness. So I went and had a look at the spins.fedoraproject.org page. It started off by saying "What is a spin? Fedora spins are alternate version of Fedora, tailored ...". For God's sake, people!!! That's "alternative versions"!!! Alternate means "every other" or "every second". Alternative means "available as another possibility". Saying "alternate" when you mean "alternative" is sloppy, lazy thinking and irritates and confuses the reader. Why can't computer geeks learn to write English correctly? Of course the geeks are not alone in their inability. I just read, in this morning's New Zealand Herald, an article (reprinted from the Independent, which you would think would get it right!) about Pope Francis, in which it was said "Despite winning pundits for his graceful-but-radical abdication, Benedict fell victim to ...". Uh, I think the writer meant *plaudits*, don't you? Psigh! What hope for humanity? :-) cheers, Rolf Turner

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Kernel update causes wireless to disable
by Don Levey 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

My wife's laptop was running fine on kernel 3.10.11-200: uname -a: Linux croweflies.the-leveys.us 3.10.11-200.fc19.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Sep 9 13:03:01 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux lspci -s 03:00.0: 03:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe rfkill list wlan: 1: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no I neither had nor needed any additional kernel modules. However, when I upgraded kernels: uname -a: Linux croweflies.the-leveys.us 3.11.2-201.fc19.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Sep 27 19:20:55 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux lspci -s 03:00.0: 03:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe rfkill list wlan: 0: asus-wlan: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no 1: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: yes Now I've got "asus-wlan" while my original one is listed as "hard blocked." The problem is that the "asus-wlan" doesn's show as an available interface, and I cannot connect. Any suggestions? -Don

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update FC19
by Patrick Dupre 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

Hello, TRying to update fedora 19, I get: --> Processing Dependency: /usr/bin/nxssh for package: qtnx-0.9-16.fc19.i686 --> Running transaction check ---> Package nx.i686 0:3.5.0-17.fc19 will be obsoleted ---> Package nx-libs.i686 0:3.5.0.21-3.fc19 will be obsoleting --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xfixes-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_X11-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xdamage-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xtst-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libXcomp-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xpm-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xinerama-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libXcompshad-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xrandr-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libXcompext-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xrender-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xcomposite-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xext-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 --> Processing Dependency: nx-libs(x86-32) = 3.5.0.21-3.fc19 for package: libNX_Xdmcp-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 Packages skipped because of dependency problems: libNX_X11-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xcomposite-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xdamage-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xdmcp-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xext-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xfixes-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xinerama-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xpm-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xrandr-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xrender-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libNX_Xtst-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libXcomp-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libXcompext-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates libXcompshad-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates nx-libs-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates nxagent-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates nxproxy-3.5.0.21-3.fc19.i686 from updates How can I fix this issue? Thank =========================================================================== Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdupre(a)gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===========================================================================

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Are you running some extra privacy options in your browser or gmail? > Are you actually using the "reply" function, or are you mistakenly > forwarding? I am using extra privacy options in the Firefox but not in Opera. Sometimes I use Opera also and other times Firefox. In Firefox, I am using the addons like NoScript, AdBlock Plus and Better Privacy. Yes, on the bottom of each mail I click "reply" to reply to an email but not the option of "forwarding". Thanks.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ian Malone <ibmalone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > (I think, google do tend to change things). Yes.

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ssh "GSSAPIAuthentication yes"
by Timothy Murphy 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

I see that in /etc/ssh/ssh_config I have the above setting in both Fedora-19 and CentOS-6.4 . In both cases ssh (openssh) tries and fails to use gssapi-with-mic authentication, with the message ======================= Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information No Kerberos credentials available ======================= It then goes on to use publickey authentication, successfully. As far as I can see, this is because openssh has over-ridden the default # GSSAPIAuthentication no with GSSAPIAuthentication yes I've googled for this, and see that some people recommend reverting to the default No. But I assume openssh has some reason for making this change. What would I do if I actually wanted to use GSSAPIAuthentication? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:54 AM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > What happens when you break mail, in one way or another: Your replies > are not seen with the messages that they're related to. They get > missed, they get overlooked. It gets very hard to follow an ongoing > thread when all the messages in that thread are scattered randomly > amongst hundreds of other messages, especially when it's important to be > able to follow the progress of something along the thread (and no, > quoting the entire thread in each message is not the answer). Some > helpers will give up helping after finding it a pain to follow an > prolonged on-going conversation. Some will give up immediately. And if > this converstion was on traditional usenet, rather than an email list, > you'd be needing flameproof pants by now. ;-) Well, I agree but I simply reply in Firefox and by typing www.gmail.com and nothing else!! This is the only way I do. Once I log-in, I don't log-out ever (unless I have to check other gmail account also, which I rarely use) and even if I have to use PC in two-three days, I get directly Inbox because I didn't log out earlier! I know since I am using Linux and with the addons like No Script, this all is secured even when I am not logged out. But really I never thought such technical aspects which are written above!

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optimus laptops and the 3.12 kernel
by Alexander Volovics 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

Reading about the 3.12 kernels I noticed that there should now be 'dynamic' power management for laptops with an Optimus design (DIS Nvidia + IGD Intel). It is not quite clear what I should expect from the patches: drastic power down for the nautilus driver or complete switching off of the Nvidia GPU. I tried a 3.12 kernel (from Rawhide: a no debug 3.12.1-2.fc21.x86_64) but notice no effect at all. With this 3.12 kernel, mesa-9.2 and xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-1.0.9-2 the battery lasts about 1 hour 40 min. (I tried with Fed19 and Fed20 beta updated). Using 'bbswitch' (which switches off the Nvidia GPU completely) I get more than 3 hours battery live. What has changed is the output of 'vgaswitcheroo', namely: # cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch 0:IGD:+:Pwr:0000:00:02.0 1:DIS: :DynOff:0000:01:00.0 This seems to indicate something should happen but nothing in the logs indicates any changes to a 'deep sleep state' or a 'switching off' of the GPU. Anybody else with an Optimus tried the 3.12 kernel? And by the way how can I check the 'power state' of the DIS GPU. AV

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rsync errors (selinux?)
by Wolfgang S. Rupprecht 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

For several years I've been doing an rsync across-the-lan backup for home directories. All has worked well until recently (well, since the fedup to f20 last night). Now backups are failing with an inscrutable rsync error. While the errors mention selinux, I don't see any errors in either the sending or receiving machines /var/log/secure logfiles. exclude=" --exclude=.gvfs --exclude=simplelock --exclude=.popmail.lock --exclude=SingletonLock --exclude=SingletonCookie --exclude=SingletonSocket " rsync -axHAX --log-file=/var/log/rsync.log --log-file-format="%t [%p] $host %o %f %l" --delete --delete-excluded $exclude /home/ $host:/home/ /var/log/rsync.log: ... 2013/11/24 09:35:21 [15417] rsync: rsync_xal_set: lremovexattr(""/home/wolfgang/dotfiles-f19/.local/share/zeitgeist/fts.index/record.baseB"","security.selinux") failed: Permission denied (13) 2013/11/24 09:35:21 [15417] rsync: rsync_xal_set: lremovexattr(""/home/wolfgang/dotfiles-f19/.local/share/zeitgeist/fts.index/termlist.baseA"","security.selinux") failed: Permission denied (13) 2013/11/24 09:35:21 [15417] rsync: rsync_xal_set: lremovexattr(""/home/wolfgang/dotfiles-f19/.local/share/zeitgeist/fts.index/termlist.baseB"","security.selinux") failed: Permission denied (13) 2013/11/24 09:35:21 [15417] rsync: rsync_xal_set: lremovexattr(""/home/wolfgang/hackbin/monitor-layout"","security.selinux") failed: Permission denied (13) 2013/11/24 09:35:23 [15417] rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at rsync.c(634) [sender=3.1.0pre1] Any ideas what's up and what I need to do to get this working again? -wolfgang

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Better way to upgrade fc18->fc19
by Bill Davidsen 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

NOTE: an early draft of this question was sent somehow, ignore it I have has miserable luck with fedup, is there a better way, anything? I really don't want to leave this machine down for days, and the 18->19 on a test machine took about 36 hours to complete, and another 3-4 to redo all the scripts from the ones on other machines which all use ethN to meaningless interface names. In 18 I just changed a single script to use (or not use) biosnames, and all was well, but on my test conversion to 19 that doesn't work, or the file was rewritten, and I finally used the name which changes every time the machine gets shuffled a bit. Is there a better way than fedup, and why is it so slow? -- Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com> "'Nothing to hide' does not imply 'nothing to fear'" - me "AT&T could not seriously contend that a reasonable entity in its position could have believed that the alleged domestic dragnet was legal." -judge Vaughn R. Walker of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, EFF vs. AT&T

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installin handbrake in Fedora 18 ?
by Mickey 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

Where can I get the RPMS for handbrake-gui and handbrake-cli ?

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Terminal signal handling
by Peter Oliver 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

I've started having a couple of odd issues with terminals in the last week or so on my Fedora 19 desktop machine and I think they're probably related. My laptop, also running Fedora 19, appears to be unaffected. Sometimes, terminals are unresponsive to ^Z, and I'm unable to suspend a process by using 'kill -TSTP' on that process. However, 'kill -STOP' works. Running 'stty -a' shows 'susp = ^Z' as expected. This affects both xterm and gnome-terminal. It affects all children of an affected process. However, sometimes if I start a new terminal from Gnome Shell it will not be affected. A workaround is to run "exec ksh -c 'exec $SHELL'" from an affected terminal. It appears that ksh does some initialisation that bash, dash and tcsh do not. My second problem is that alpine is sometimes unresponsive to changes in terminal size. I suspect that SIGWINCH is not being handled correctly. See http://superuser.com/questions/667380/sigint-and-sigtstp-ignored-by-most-co… for an example of someone with similar but slightly different symptoms (he has problems with SIGINT, but my SIGINT works fine). Using 'pstree -ps $$' and then working my way up the tree with 'grep SigBlk /proc/$pid/status' shows 'SigBlk: 016717d03fdb4a00' for gnome-session but 'SigBlk: 0000000000000000' for its parents. This makes me suspect that the problem originates in gnome-session. Any ideas? -- Peter Oliver

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NetworkManager-l2tp requires kernel-debug ??
by Ed Greshko 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

I'm on an F19 system running KDE and wanting to install kde-plasma-nm-l2tp. One of its dependencies is NetworkManager-l2tp which is pulling in kernel-debug and kernel-debug-modules-extra. Does anyone know why this would be the case? -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > It doesn't require gmail to get messages threaded. Threading is done by > the message headers, each message has its own message ID, each reply has > another header saying which message ID it's in reply to, and there's > another header listing all the message IDs that belong in the same > thread. > The last one (in-reply-to) is used by mail clients to group all messages > in a thread together. The middle one (references) is used to thread > them all together in the right order. > Any mail client can do this. Any mail client can break this, and some > do, by not not adding in-reply-to headers, and not adding and > maintaining the references header. When they do that, they bugger it up > for everyone else, as the data has been lost. > Message threading is NOT done by whatever text is written in the subject > line. Though some broken clients think so. Some helpful clients will > try to use it, as well as threading headers, to fit in orphaned messages > into a thread (broken by other crappy clients), or to break apart a new > thread out of the middle of an existing one (when the subject line > changed). The latter not being a particularly good idea, either. > To see messages in their properly threaded order, one needs to use a > mail client that isn't broken in that regard (Evolution, Thunderbird, > and many others work), and pick the option that threads messages in the > message list window. > Conversely, one can unpick that option, and sort messages via some other > criteria - such as by "date," making a mess of the order of messages > (hint - the generational order of which message came first, is done by > what's a reply to what, not the date that it was read or written, dates > are coincidental, not relational). Thanks for taking time to explain this, I am re-reading to fully grasp it.

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Yum Update Issue
by Frank Tanner III 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

I have performed a FedUp upgrade from Fedora 18 to Fedora 19 and am now running into the following issue: Test Transaction Errors: file /usr/bin/clpi_dump conflicts between attempted installs of libbluray-0.4.0-1.fc19.i686 and libbluray-0.4.0-1.fc19.x86_64 The current package versions that are installed are libbluray-0.2.3-2.fc19.i686 and libbluray-0.2.3-2.fc19.x86_64. It will not let me uninstall these versions. Is there a way to resolve this issue that doesn't involve some major chopping around? Thank you. -- ------------------- Frank B. Tanner III

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Mihamina RKTMB <mihamina(a)rktmb.org> wrote: > Technically, > - making rpms are easier than making debs. Oh, okay. > - apt is NOT the equivalent of rpm, but the equivalent of yum Okay, I must have used that. > - You forgot the package management of Gentoo, Arch and so on on your troll Troll...? Asking a question makes you troll?

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mouse track-pad
by Richard Vickery 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

Hi Gang: The mouse doesn't work work on new Acer; any ideas on how I can find it? Apparently Fedora knows that the pad exists, but it is rendered useless right now. Thanks, Richard

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OT- Getting Firefox GMail Old Compose (for a while) - Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by Fernando Cassia 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Can you post some instructions ? (for getting GMail usable again after > "New Compose") > Get UAControl from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uacontrol/ Once installed, Go to Tools->UAControl Options Click "add new site", type as site mail.google.com and as user-agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0) That will give you Old Compose Explanation: The Mail.google.com coders couldn't get the "New Compose" to work on IE8, so if Google detects you're using IE8 on GMail, it gives you the "Old Compose". UAControl fakes the user agent ONLY for the domains you specify (in this case, mail.google.com) It will, of course, only work for as long as google keeps supporting IE8 for GMail, which likely won't be for very long, as they tend to follow Microsoft in their planned obsolescence cycles. :-( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence ...but in the meantime it's a good stopgap solution. The real solution will be for Google to permanently enable old compose as an option for those of us who prefer it. There's a petition here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/128/981/668/google-gmail-please-go-back-to-t… Sadly only 700 signatures so far... If History is any indication, Google engineers in their Ivory Towers don't give a rat's *ss about what we think... they think they know better... Oh, and you asked about the other part of the solution, it's the Firefox Stylish extension, grab it from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/stylish/ It lets you use any of the user developed styles on userstyles.org, including these for GMail: http://userstyles.org/styles/browse?search_terms=gmail My personal preference (which some surely might find odd but it suits my work style and my eyes are pleased with it) is the black background, green text "terminal" theme (that used to be great as developed by Google, until they turned it fugly with white-on-black text, and white background on compose), http://userstyles.org/styles/71798/gmail-terminal-all-black-background It looks like this: :) pic.twitter.com/PXMbZ8hU9A <http://t.co/PXMbZ8hU9A> Hope this helps you, and some other Fedora users... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Beartooth <beartooth(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Say you want Opera on an old machine that you haven't used for > some time. You go to a browser it does have, but for some reason the > default opera.com offers isn't what you want. You find what you do want, > and opera.com asks whether you want the x86 or the 64-wide version. > You don't happen to remember which one this machine is, nor an > easy way to check (like uname -a). So you just download one. > Rpm -ivh produces a bramble patch. > Being by now an old hand, you notice that all the missing > dependencies it announces are 64s. So you abort the install, go back to > opera.com, and get the .rpm for a 32-bit machine. That works, slick as a > whistle. > In this example you have not solved the dependency hell. You have > dodged it, partly by dumb luck (spotting those 64s), and partly by having > enough general experience to recognize what they mean. > A beginner who had gotten into it might easily've worked > herself through the brambles into an electronic lake of burning brimstone > before she hollered for help. Well, the issues gets generated when an external rpm is installed. But I guess the most common apps, e.g., Opera and the common apps must be there in the repos. Only some particular rpms which are not so common (or required for specific purpose(s)), can possibly create that problem. But in my view, end users won't use those typical apps which are not bundled in the DVD!

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Display setting problem -
by Bob Goodwin 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

I have a ViewSonic VX2035wm LCD Display monitor on this computer that is not recognized by Fedora-18. in order to get a reasonable display I have to run /usr/bin/xrandr -s 1680x1050 after I am logged in and the display [XFCE] is running. That works for me but it seems a bit clunky and after doing so for more than a year I would like to find some more elegant way to deal with it. I could use a different monitor but I prefer the aspect ratio of this one, it's wide but higher than the others available. Anyone know a better way to deal with this? As it stands it is just one of the things I do every morning after booting the computer ... Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD Box 10 Fedora-19/64 XFCE Linux

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Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds
by Clemens Eisserer 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Hi, After a system update 2-3 weeks ago, applications like java and firefox began to take a quite long time to start up (an extra ~10s). However this only occurs when I am connected to a network, when my laptop is running unconnected everything is fine (however it doesn't matter wether I am connected at home or in the office, so the cause is not a malfunction of my DNS server). Today I tried to find out what is going on and it seems the applications are stalled while looking up the hostname of my own machine ("user-pc"). Shouldn't in this case the lookup return immediantly? As I haven't changed my configuration at all, any idea which update introduced this issue? Thank you in advance, Clemens Stacktrace of firefox starting up: #0 0x0000003fd7aeb7fd in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81 #1 0x0000003fd9e0ad0d in send_dg (resplen2=0x0, anssizp2=0x0, ansp2=0x0, anscp=0x7fffeeec0970, gotsomewhere=<synthetic pointer>, v_circuit=<synthetic pointer>, ns=0, terrno=0x7fffeeebf8f0, anssizp=0x7fffeeebfa30, ansp=0x7fffeeebf8e8, buflen2=0, buf2=0x0, buflen=32, buf=0x7fffeeebfa60 ";\327\001", statp=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>) at res_send.c:1059 #2 __libc_res_nsend (statp=statp@entry=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>, buf=buf@entry=0x7fffeeebfa60 ";\327\001", buflen=<optimized out>, buf2=buf2@entry=0x0, buflen2=buflen2@entry=0, ans=ans@entry=0x7fffeeec0540 "", anssiz=anssiz@entry=1024, ansp=ansp@entry=0x7fffeeec0970, ansp2=ansp2@entry=0x0, nansp2=nansp2@entry=0x0, resplen2=resplen2@entry=0x0) at res_send.c:556 #3 0x0000003fd9e08c47 in __GI___libc_res_nquery (statp=statp@entry=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>, name=name@entry=0x7fffeeec00c0 "user-pc.3.home", class=class@entry=1, type=type@entry=1, answer=answer@entry=0x7fffeeec0540 "", anslen=anslen@entry=1024, answerp=answerp@entry=0x7fffeeec0970, answerp2=answerp2@entry=0x0, nanswerp2=nanswerp2@entry=0x0, resplen2=resplen2@entry=0x0) at res_query.c:226 #4 0x0000003fd9e096ab in __libc_res_nquerydomain (resplen2=0x0, nanswerp2=0x0, answerp2=0x0, answerp=0x7fffeeec0970, anslen=1024, answer=0x7fffeeec0540 "", type=1, class=1, domain=<optimized out>, name=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", statp=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>) at res_query.c:582 #5 __GI___libc_res_nsearch (statp=0x3fd7dbeaa0 <_res(a)GLIBC_2.2.5>, name=name@entry=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", class=class@entry=1, type=type@entry=1, answer=answer@entry=0x7fffeeec0540 "", anslen=anslen@entry=1024, answerp=0x7fffeeec0970, answerp2=answerp2@entry=0x0, nanswerp2=nanswerp2@entry=0x0, resplen2=resplen2@entry=0x0) at res_query.c:416 #6 0x00007fd0409e17e4 in __GI__nss_dns_gethostbyname3_r (name=name@entry=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", af=af@entry=2, result=result@entry=0x7fffeeec0f00, buffer=buffer@entry=0x7fffeeec0f20 "\177", buflen=buflen@entry=1024, errnop=errnop@entry=0x7fd04e259690, h_errnop=h_errnop@entry=0x7fffeeec0ef4, ttlp=ttlp@entry=0x0, canonp=canonp@entry=0x0) at nss_dns/dns-host.c:192 #7 0x00007fd0409e1af0 in _nss_dns_gethostbyname_r (name=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", result=0x7fffeeec0f00, buffer=0x7fffeeec0f20 "\177", buflen=1024, errnop=0x7fd04e259690, h_errnop=0x7fffeeec0ef4) at nss_dns/dns-host.c:273 #8 0x0000003fd7b0ebd3 in __gethostbyname_r (name=0x7fffeeec1538 "user-pc", resbuf=0x7fffeeec0f00, buffer=0x7fffeeec0f20 "\177", buflen=1024, result=0x7fffeeec0ef8, h_errnop=0x7fffeeec0ef4) at ../nss/getXXbyYY_r.c:263 #9 0x0000003fe921b467 in PR_GetHostByName () from /lib64/libnspr4.so #10 0x00007fd04b25f8fa in nsProfileLock::LockWithSymlink(nsIFile*, bool) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #11 0x00007fd04b25fe92 in nsProfileLock::Lock(nsIFile*, nsIProfileUnlocker**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #12 0x00007fd04b26073b in nsToolkitProfileLock::Init(nsIFile*, nsIFile*, nsIProfileUnlocker**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #13 0x00007fd04b260784 in nsToolkitProfileLock::Init(nsToolkitProfile*, nsIProfileUnlocker**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #14 0x00007fd04b260837 in nsToolkitProfile::Lock(nsIProfileUnlocker**, nsIProfileLock**) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #15 0x00007fd04b25a4ca in XREMain::XRE_mainStartup(bool*) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #16 0x00007fd04b25b338 in XREMain::XRE_main(int, char**, nsXREAppData const*) () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #17 0x00007fd04b25b5d3 in XRE_main () from /usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/libxul.so #18 0x0000000000403d2f in do_main(int, char**, nsIFile*) () #19 0x00000000004034fc in main ()

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Gnome & Clementine
by antonio montagnani 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

When I start Clementine from inside Firefox (i.e. connecting to radio stream of www.liveireland.com, music starts but Clementine is not shown (playing in the background..so when I want to stop it I have to use System Monitor to kill)- But this happens in Gnome not in Mate for example. Is anyone elsenoting this?? -- Antonio M Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora F19(Schroedinger's cat) on Acer 5720 http://lugsaronno.altervista.org http://www.campingmonterosa.com

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UEFI: After upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, F19 grub menu does not appear
by Nick Urbanik 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Dear Folks, I installed Fedora 19 on my son's laptop, and it worked beautifully with the already installed Windows 8. Then foolishly, I upgraded the Windows 8 to Windows 8.1. Now it boots straight to Windows 8.1 and grub does not appear. I disabled secure boot in the firmware. I do not even know which version of grub was booting the UEFI system before; it just worked. Now I need to know. Can anyone suggest: 1. What grub would the Fedora 19 installer have provided to boot it and Windows 8? (grub2, grub-efi,...) 2. Can anyone point to any documentation on how to fix this? I am a little nervous on this, as I once attempted to upgrade an F18 UEFI stand alone system from grub-efi to grub2 with the result that I could not boot the machine, and wound up re-installing Fedora. I have a live disk, can boot the machine with that, and have some experience with grub and non-EFI systems. -- Nick Urbanik http://nicku.org 808-71011 nick.urbanik(a)optusnet.com.au GPG: 7FFA CDC7 5A77 0558 DC7A 790A 16DF EC5B BB9D 2C24 ID: BB9D2C24 I disclaim, therefore I am.

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Dual boot Fedora <--> Windows 8
by Andre Costa 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Hi, I have the following partitions on a 1TB disk: - 1M BIOS boot partition - 500M Linux boot partition - 733G Linux LVM partition (Fedora 19) - 200G unused space I would like to install Windows 8 on this last partition. Anyone knows if this will mess up with my current boot manager? Can Windows 8 coexist with GRUB? Regards, Andre

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Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

Hello, Well I just heard a couple of guys saying "rpm hell". Now a days, when rpm works very well, still does it lag behind apt in some ways...? Thanks.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On 11/23/2013 01:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > your postings thread and i am wondering you would post a new > "Subject:" relating to how you are using a gmail account and > still maintain threading. No, not like that. Read the following two lines he wrote: "Ok, enough drifting off topic from this side. ;)" and "Just posted it in a separate thread to stop hijacking this one. :)" If he might have wished to enlarge the same thread, he should have done it by explaining each and every point he mentioned but he wrote that!! Further it is Saturday today and tomorrow Sunday. May be some one is having fun in the week ends and then may start a new thread on Monday... I cannot finalize such things in such a short time and cannot conclude somebody's ways of thinking so easily.....It is not necessarily true what we think is always right.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I think "g" was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood > his comments. Please, let's be polite to each other and not > insulting. My intention was not to handle someone with gloves but I don't understand why people consider it being a troll type mail. Well, I find the reason. It happens that when you are new to Linux, you often ask something which is pretty easy or might have been asked earlier. So what? This query must have been so common that I came to know it should not be asked but I had asked it actually. But again, does it really a matter of great worth or we are wasting time in this type of discussion? A general question from a newbie's mind is generally not that advanced. End users won't always ask what scripts are need for what purpose, they are more inclined towards the ease of use and especially with Linux and thus the same type of questions get generated in their mind. It is also possible, I get less time to have hands on Linux, so really it seems a bit more confusing...!

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: [crap] > as in usage as a _noun_, which is defined at; This is really shameful to have people like you..

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search engines [WAS: Why some say "rpm hell"]
by g 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On 11/23/2013 03:09 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: <> > That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly <> i used to use 'gaagle' until i found "ixquick", which does not do all the tracking and such that gaagle does. i set a bookmark button in firefox 'menu bar' to open in _advanced_search_ mode for tighter searches. https://ixquick.com/eng/advanced-search.html i now get better search results and ixquick allows be to save a bookmark of search that i can use at a later time, along with modifying search parameters. > That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of > the software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome) <> one of many reason that i use firefox for browser. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g .

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Heinz Diehl <htd(a)fritha.org> wrote: > Better/equal in precisely what? Well, now got the idea that work is being done very well in rpm distributions, so actually what I earlier asked, should not be asked. Anyways, I liked the rpm because at least all of my (noob's) work is smoothly done. Still I was curious only to know the people's view... Better/equal in the sense of the time it takes. Also, sometimes, when some (or more) unneeded packages reside in the system, even when they are not used but they rest in the hard-disk. Okay well, they don't take much capacity, so I let them sleep always. But this happens in rpm based distros which I came to know. >> ...or why did this bifurcation took place if the Linux is only the kernel...? > Because there are different distributions which all think that their > own package management system is most suited. There's more than one way to > do it... Oh I see. And this may be the same reason why even the typical distributions like Gentoo got evolved! > What kind of distribution somebody uses is a matter of taste, needs > and other more or less subjective factors, and the package manager is > a part of it. Exactly true. Its more like the analogy of cars. Some people prefer Ford, some Chevrolet, others like Mercedes-Benz better, but ultimately they all have an engine that runs on fuel. But I am happy with rpm now. I was a happy Fedora user and would eventually try it back, though currently running openSUSE 12.3 with the same happiness. I was even confused between the many distributions but came to understand the underneath strategy to install one and use it! I regret that I don't get much time to learn such a wonderful technology of Linux!!

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly annoying > me to select which profile I use, after pestering me for months to get a > Unified login, I said I don't want, (repeatedly) so now I have separate > profiles (identities, the one for Youtube with a nickname rather than my > real name,and that's the way I like it). > That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of the > software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome), their > needless "inventions" (spdy protocol to replace http), their forking of Java > (Dalvik), and increasing Android dominant position in the mobile OS > landscape (I'd rather see Jolla's Sailfish OS win). Well this is true and sometimes I also feel the old compose option was better in Gmail. Google always tend/desire to do some/many alterations, even when the company knows that it could be disliked by the vast audiences. But it has a democratic win. At least search engine is excellent and there are more no. of android phones nowadays than others. Well, I stop this off-topic here itself.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I for one use GMail for my email needs, and I'm as far from an e-mail noob > as you can get (started with Delphi on-line service in the late 1980s, then > moved to FidoNet style echomail boards, then moved to CompuServe, then to > pop-3 email, then to IMAP, and now I use web based GMail almost exclusively. > GMail serves me (and I guess most other people) because: > 1. It allows to access my account from anywhere (any machine on my LAN). > 2. I don't have to deal with local email backups (yes, I'm putting a lot of > faith in the cloud, albeit making a local backup is on my to-do list) > 3. I don't have to delete e-mail (I'm a data hoarder, I have every e-mail > received/sent from 2004 to this date, and it serves me well for research > purposes, often more than not, the answer is already in my GMail account) > 4. I pay Google for additional storage And with one account, you have entire Google from Youtube to Plus etc..etc...Google s the greatest search engine! This is fair enough to use Gmail even when one or two downsides exist.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com> wrote: >> Exactly true. Its more like the analogy of cars. Some people prefer >> Ford, some Chevrolet, others like Mercedes-Benz better, but ultimately >> they all have an engine that runs on fuel. > A better analogy that involves cars needs some additional detail: Different automakers put the driver's seat in different locations. Mercedes right front, Ford right rear, Chevy on the luggage rack, Jaguar in the trunk, etc. Yeah, that's why different Linux -- Gentoo, Fedora, Slackware, openSUSE, Ubuntu, etc... > And I say that because package management is a viciously nasty user experience. Once you've committed to learning one of them, you definitely don't want to learn how to use another one - assuming, you know, you actually have work to do rather than just screwing around with computers all day long, learning mindnumbing estoteric b.s like package managers. > And fuel in this analogy, is the linux kernel. The only thing they have in common is the kernel, which by all rights end users should be the least interested in or interact with. > I would rather gut myself than learn another package management system, even if I had the time. I just want a little icon to click on and maybe a button that says Install, because I actually care to spend time using the application I've gone to the effort to locate, rather than figuring out how to install, remove, or update it. > I wonder how many thousands of man hours are consumed maintaining the different packaging systems, and manually dealing with dependency conflict resolution. It must be insane. I wonder even the life is short to learn so much types of things in Linux! Great!!

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Steven Rosenberg <stevenhrosenberg(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Whenever you go "outside" the distribution and start picking up packages, be > they .deb or .rpm, you invite trouble with dependencies, especially if those > packages are not built for your particular release. Okay you mean especially when 3rd party software are installed. > Both Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu have very large repositories, and for Fedora, > RPM Fusion is very reliable for those bits that don't come with the > distribution itself, so I never experience "dependency hell." Ok, Thanks.

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WTF happened to ssh?
by Tom Horsley 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

I have a ssh tunnel setup between work and home, port 8022 on my home system is forwarded to port 22 on my work system, so I can ssh into work on port 8022. After some recent update, I can no longer ssh into work from home when I am running as my normal user at home. I get permission denied. When I su -l to root at home and try to ssh into work, it works fine. What the heck is up with that? Who changed what that could have that effect? I get the same password prompt. I type the same password. I'm lost here. (fully updated fedora 19 64bit at home and at work).

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Better way to upgrade fc8->fc19
by Bill Davidsen 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

I have has miserable luck with fedup, is there a better way, anything? I really don't want to leave this machine down for days, and the 18->19 on a test machine took about 36 hours to complete, and another 3-4 to redo all the scripts from the ones on other machines which all use ethN to meaningless interface names. In 18 I just changed a single script to use (or not use) biosnames, and all was well, but on my test conversion to 19 that doesn't work, or the file was rewritten, and I finally used the name which changes every time the machine gets shuffled a bit. Is there a better way? -- Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com> "'Nothing to hide' does not imply 'nothing to fear'" - me "AT&T could not seriously contend that a reasonable entity in its position could have believed that the alleged domestic dragnet was legal." -judge Vaughn R. Walker of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, EFF vs. AT&T

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screen-lock doesn't appear to work properly F18, F19 KDE
by DB 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

Good evening all - at least, it is evening here in Austria! My 2nd machine is a Toshiba Equium A60-692, with a (massive!) 40GB harddrive & a (minute!) 750MB RAM. It used to work fine, then I tried to fedup from F17 to F18...... Most of the time it would work fine, as long as I kept the mouse moving. If I let the mouse stand still for too long, the screen would go black & a couple of seconds later the cursor would vanish & I'd have to do a power down restart to get the system back. Same story if I did a right-click & lock screen - no wa to get the screen back. Tried a fresh install of F18, same result; fresh install of F19 same result (all with KDE) Tried a fresh install of XFCE F19 Live, everything works fine. Does anyone have any idea what might be stopping screen-lock from working? Or how to go about finding out what is really happening??? As ever, many thanks for any ideas!! Dave

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Re: Writing English.
by Zach Ploskey 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com>wrote: > Nope, you're wrong. Find a copy of New Oxford American Dictionary and look > up the words and usage. I seriously doubt even Oxford English makes such a > big distinction between two words that share the same etymology and have no > good reason for meaning different things. You beat me to this. Here is the OED definition: http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/5796?rskey=rEVqSp&result=1&isAdvanced=false#e… The adjective forms of alternate and alternative are synonymous in both British and American English. The current usage of alternate is correct. Zach Ploskey

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xfce, gnome and kde
by Rafnews 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

Hi, i installed on a very old laptop Fedora 19. Firstly i must say that fedora is my favorite OS especially for very old hardware as it works everywhere. so this laptop is for my son to watch cartoons and other children things. when it runs KDE, cartoons are choppy... when it runs XFCE, cartoons runs like hell...so fast, so well when it installed Gnome (to test gnome 2 for example), well... it doesn't allow me to use the gnome shell at all... system display white screen and i must to log off and to chose another desktop so how can i do to make KDE or gnome running movies like hell, like under XFCE desktop ? thx. A.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Heinz Diehl <htd(a)fritha.org> wrote: > What precisely are you asking for? Just wanted to know if rpm is better than apt or vice-versa or both are equal...or why did this bifurcation took place if the Linux is only the kernel...? Thanks.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Greg Woods <woods(a)ucar.edu> wrote: > Probably a reference to the very early days of RPM (pre-yum). You'd > install a package, then find some library was missing and go to install > that, which led to something else missing, etc. A few cycles of this and > you know what "dependency hell" means. Nowadays, with yum, all the > dependencies are pulled in automatically, so "rpm hell" is largely a > thing of the past. Okay got it. I don't think saying it is worthy nowadays. But for an end user this all won't matter anytime.

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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak <mjc(a)avtechpulse.com> wrote: > yum didn't always exist. yum handles the dependencies between packages. Ok. > Before that, a lot of prayer was involved if you mixed rpm packages from > different sources. You mean from third party sources.

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openssh-6.3p1-5.fc20 fails with "EC_KEY_new_by_curve_name failed"
by Corinna Vinschen 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

Hi, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-19918/openssh-6.3p1-4.f… claims openssh-6.3p1-4 and later, in conjuntion with openssl-1.0.1e-30.fc20 will allow to use ECDSA keys for pubkey authentication. I have existing ECDSA keys from my non-Fedora installations using vanilla openssh and openssl packages. So I installed openssh-6.3p1-5 and openssl-1.0.1e-30. When trying to use the aforementioned private ECDSA key to access one of the other machines, it doesn't work. I'm getting an error message instead: $ ssh some-machine key_from_blob: EC_KEY_new_by_curve_name failed Worse, I can't even connect to other machines using an RSA key, even if I change the remote authorized_keys file accordingly. The debug output shows that in this case the connection attempt goes more or less through, until the connection stops with the same message as above: key_from_blob: EC_KEY_new_by_curve_name failed The openssh ECDSA key format can't be different between different versions of openssh, otherwise the keys wouldn't be usable on different machines. I also didn't see any bug reports that the new openssh version would not be able to use ECDSA keys for some reason (ssh-keygen allows to create new ECDSA keys, after all). If I revert to the vanilla openssh/openssl versions, connecting via ECDSA key works as expected again. Does anybody have an idea what the problem could be? TIA, Corinna

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dkms failure on reboot - virtualbox
by SternData 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

Booting after today's kernel update, I noticed that there was a dkms failure: Nov 17 10:08:10 sds-desk-2 vboxdrv[556]: Starting VirtualBox kernel modules [FA ILED] Nov 17 10:08:10 sds-desk-2 vboxdrv[556]: (modprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use ' dmesg' to find out why) Nov 17 10:08:10 sds-desk-2 dkms_autoinstaller[558]: Starting dkms: Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file. Nov 17 10:08:10 sds-desk-2 dkms_autoinstaller[558]: File: does not exist. # locate dkms.conf /usr/share/virtualbox/src/vboxhost/dkms.conf /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.2.10/build/dkms.conf /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.2.18/build/dkms.conf Does anyone else using the Oracle distribution of VirtualBox see any errors after a kernel update? -- -- Steve

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Fedora 19 problems with pulsaudio.
by George R Goffe 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

Hi, I recently installed Fedora 19 x86_64 on my previously running Fedora 16 x86_64. I have been trying to figure out what happened to my audio on a USB head set. Finally I found a bug with symptoms but that was closed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=424621. I started looking at the bug and tried some of their commands. Not much there until I tried "pulseaudio -vvv"... Sound started working! My question is, "Is this a Fedora bug or is there something that I need to configure to get pulseaudio started as a service (if this is a good idea)" Regards and thanks to any who care to send hints/tips/suggestions/clues, etc. George... [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused

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setting up my 2T hard drive (WAS Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives.)
by Darlene Wallach 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

linux guy, My name is Darlene Wallach. I purchased a 2T Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Desk disk from Costco a few years ago. I finally set it up and found your very immensely helpful directions! Thank you very much!!! Darlene Wallach On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:33 PM, linux guy <linuxguy123(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Today I bought 2 3 TB hard drives to use in my new server. > > I'm writing this in case other people aren't aware that some of the > traditional hard drive management methods don't work for drives larger than > 2 TB. > > Specifically, fdisk and MSDOS type partition tables. > > Here is how I created a single partition on my 3 TB drives. > > > Via parted. > > #parted -a optimal /dev/sdb > > (parted) rm 1 <- this removed the 2TB partition that fdisk made. > > NOTE: fdisk has a 2 TB limit, apparently forced by MSDOS style partition > tables. Ever heard the story about how the width of a donkey ultimately > determined the diameter of the space shuttle ? > > (parted) mklabel gpt <- this is NOT making a label for the drive. "man > parted" is your friend. > > (parted) mkpart primary ext4 1 -1 <- this makes the partition itself, using > the entire drive, which is what I wanted. > > (parted) print > > (parted) quit > > # mkfs -text4 /dev/sdb1 <- this formats the partition > #e2label /dev/sdb1 myth <- this gives it a label, as used by mount in > fstab, ie "LABEL=..." > > > Via gparted. > > It turns out that the whole process can be done from within gparted, if you > know what you are doing. > > The first thing you need to do is create the partition table. > > IF you have used fdisk on the drive previously, the partition table type is > going to MSDOS, which has the 2TB limit. If you continue with the MSDOS > partition table, gparted will allow you to select a 3TB partition to make, > but it will give you the following error: > partition length of 5860528002 sectors exceeds the > msdos-partition-table-imposed maximum of 4294967295 > > To get around this, select Advanced on the partition table options window > and set the partition table type to gpt. > > Then you can proceed as you normally would to partition a drive with > gparted. Ie add new partition(s), set the partition type, labels, etc. > > At this point you have an ext4 formatted 3TB drive. > > However, in F15 KDE at least, it doesn't seem to automount like a drive with > an MSDOS partition table. The drive will not automatically appear in the > Places column in Dolphin, for example. Nor will it appear in the list > created by df. > > However, it is available to manually mount. Ie, #mount /dev/sdb1 temp, > just like the old days.* And once you do that, it appears in the df list, > though still not in the Places column in Dolphin. > > I hope this helps someone. > > *This might be particular to my machine being that the drive is a hot swap > SATA device and I did not remove it and replace it. However, drives with > MSDOS type partition tables auto mounted using the very same command > sequence. > > > > -- > users mailing list > users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- equal justice under law

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Looking for a programming to count keys and mouse
by ben＠acustat.org 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

I came across this video: http://blog.nickwinter.net/the-120-hour-workweek-epic-coding-time-lapse Wondering if there was a fedora package to record keystrokes and mouse movements, Just looking for counter. (don't really care for webcam) I found one but it's only on ubuntu.

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Two versions of acpid installed
by Jonathan Ryshpan 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

My system seems to have versions 2.0.19-5 and 2.0.20-2 both installed. I thought that installing the later version would remove the earlier. And why doesn't yum report a conflict? Is this a problem? Can I simply remove the earlier version? # rpm -qa acpi\* acpid-2.0.19-5.fc19.x86_64 acpid-2.0.20-2.fc19.x86_64 # fgrep acpi yum.log Feb 26 13:41:58 Updated: acpid-2.0.18-2.fc18.x86_64 Mar 06 08:34:26 Updated: acpid-2.0.18-3.fc18.x86_64 Jun 06 22:35:31 Updated: acpid-2.0.19-1.fc18.x86_64 Aug 24 19:43:22 Updated: acpid-2.0.19-5.fc19.x86_64 Aug 26 22:47:17 Updated: acpid-2.0.19-6.fc19.x86_64 Sep 24 22:34:40 Updated: acpid-2.0.20-1.fc19.x86_64 Sep 24 22:35:34 2:microcode_ctl-2.0-4.fc19.x86_64: ts_done name in te is acpid should be 2:microcode_ctl-2.0-4.fc19.x86_64 Nov 16 10:43:29 Updated: acpid-2.0.20-2.fc19.x86_64 Nov 16 10:43:54 libdmapsharing-2.9.18-1.fc19.x86_64: ts_done name in te is acpid should be libdmapsharing-2.9.18-1.fc19.x86_64 Thanks in advance - jon

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media player
by Rafnews 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

Hi, i'm looking for a media player (DVD and divx) for my son's computer using Fedora 19. i need a particular feature as he's only 3 years old... i need to have the same feature as under GOM Player... to tell the media player to shutdown computer after the DVD/divx movie ended... like it exists in GOM Player for Windows world. i didn't find such feature in VLC or SMPlayer... and i really loved SMPlayer from Fedora 17, too bad. do you know some media player that integrate such feature ? thx. A.

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Wish List.....
by EGO-II.1 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

Would _love_ to see F19 on THIS device! Who would I have to contact to see if it can be done? ZaReason Tablet Device <http://zareason.com/shop/ZaTab-ZT2.html> EGO II

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Not connecting over LAN
by Beartooth 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

I have several machines on a LAN (and a KVM switch that I use when they're all functioning). Most are online over ethernet via a Linksys modem running DD-WRT v24-sp2 (10/10/09)micro; and I can normally ssh from any to any. But at present there are two on which ssh in either direction gets only Connection refused. Both are running F18, fully updated. What is likely to be the glitch, and how can I fix it? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.

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VMs do not shutdown when powering off a F20 host
by Juan Orti Alcaine 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

Hello, I have upgraded to F20 and now my virtual machines don't shutdown when I shutdown the host. In /etc/sysconfig/libvirt-guests I have: ON_SHUTDOWN=shutdown SHUTDOWN_TIMEOUT=100 This is what I see in the log (in Spanish): # journalctl -a _SYSTEMD_UNIT=libvirt-guests.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=libvirtd.service nov 17 23:38:15 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: libvirt version: 1.1.3.1, package: 1.fc20 (Fedora Project, 2013-11-06-18:12:08, buildvm-04.phx2.fedoraproject.org) nov 17 23:38:15 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Received unexpected event 1 nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Error interno: Fin del archivo desde monitor nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Error interno: Falta objeto de respuesta de monitor nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Ejecutando huéspedes en URI default:lithium nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Cerrando huéspedes en URI default... nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Starting shutdown on guest: lithium nov 17 23:38:17 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Object (nil) ((unknown)) is not a virObjectLockable instance nov 17 23:38:17 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Argumento inválido: el monitor no debe poseer un valor NULL nov 17 23:38:17 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Error:Falló al apagar el dominio 3ee0acb2-3da9-7045-868c-3dec16e03ad1 nov 17 23:38:17 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Error:Argumento inválido: el monitor no debe poseer un valor NULL Which translated is something like: nov 17 23:38:15 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: libvirt version: 1.1.3.1, package: 1.fc20 (Fedora Project, 2013-11-06-18:12:08, buildvm-04.phx2.fedoraproject.org) nov 17 23:38:15 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Received unexpected event 1 nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Internal error: End of file from monitor nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Internal error: Response object from monitor is missing nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Running guests in URI default:lithium nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Closing guests in default URI... nov 17 23:38:16 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Starting shutdown on guest: lithium nov 17 23:38:17 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Object (nil) ((unknown)) is not a virObjectLockable instance nov 17 23:38:17 xenon.miceliux.com libvirtd[750]: Invalid argument: monitor must not have a NULL value nov 17 23:38:17 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Error:Failed to shutdown domain 3ee0acb2-3da9-7045-868c-3dec16e03ad1 nov 17 23:38:17 xenon.miceliux.com libvirt-guests.sh[21049]: Error:Invalid argument: monitr must not have a NULL value Any idea? do I open a bug report? -- Juan Orti GPG Key: DEEBD08B - https://www.miceliux.com/~juan/pubkey.asc Blog: https://apuntesderoot.wordpress.com/

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How to disable module in initrd
by Gianluca Cecchi 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

Hello I would like to recompile initrd on f19 without qla2xxx that is giving me problems on boot. How to do it? Dracut seems to ignore blacklist in .conf file under modprobe.d Thanks Gianluca

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Re: /dev/md[12] vanished
by Kevin H. Hobbs 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

On 11/16/2013 10:06 AM, Tom H wrote: >> Somehow md1 and md2 became md127 and md126 > > Have you changed your hostname? > No, do you suspect the October 3rd dracut-network update?

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touchpad
by Richard Vickery 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

I wonder if anyone knows how to bring up a touchpad? Best, Richard

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Change of UID
by Timothy Murphy 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

I recently had a hard disk failure. I was able to recover my old /home directory from a backup disk. But on re-installing the system (which had been in operation for several years) I found my UID had changed from 500 to 1000. I dealt with this by chown -R, which worked fine. But I remember reading some years ago about this, with other solutions suggested. The reason I'm interested is that I am trying to put together the old system from pieces that survived, or were backed up, and each time I start the old system I have to chown again. Any suggestions of an alternative to chown gratefully received. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

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F19 suddenly very unstable
by Frédéric Bron 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

Hi, My F19 has suddenly become very unstable. After about 10 minutes of running with KDE, the opened windows start to be closed automatically. I even cannot stop the machine. I have access to the fedora menu but its rendering is very odd and clicking on shutdown does not do anything. I cannot go to a terminal either (with konsole which I cannot start or with Ctrl+Alt+F2). I have noticed that if I start the computer and just wait at the login screen of kdm, the keyboard start to not work when I try to type my login. I do not know where to look at to find the cause of this. My F19 is uptodate, with kernel 3.11.7. I have tried to boot with 3.11.6 but experience the same issue. I have a nvidia video card but I do not use the nvidia driver, the nouveau one provided by F19 instead. Thanks for any help, Frédéric

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/var/lib/libvirt/images on BTRFS (it works!)
by Chris Murphy 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

I've learned some things also, based on benchmarking by using the Fedora installer as the test suite: 1. 3x3 matrix of host/guest cfq, noop, deadline, that on spinning rust cfq in both host and guest produces the best results. 2. 3x3 matrix of host/guest ext4, xfs, btrfs, also on spinning rust, that Btrfs on Btrfs products the best results. The configuration is host Btrfs has a preallocated Raw file with xattr +C. Both host and guest Btrfs's are created with defaults from current btrfs-progs-0.20.rc1.20131114git9f0c53f-1.fc20, meaning both have a leafsize/nodesize of 16KB. Because the results are all actually quite similar, at least it means Btrfs is no worse than other file systems. Interestingly, while +C (nodatacow) also means no data checksumming for the file, the contained Btrfs file system of course does have checksumming for everything, so there isn't a loss of file integrity with this method. 3. I can successfully use qcow2 files, xattr +C, where fragmentation is reduced a lot by preallocation metadata. A 20GB QCOW2 starts out with 5 extents, at the end of each installation of Fedora 20 live desktop final TC1, file frag reports these results:upon creation> fedoratest.img: 5 extents found after installation1> fedoratest.img: 1255 extents found after installation2> fedoratest.img: 1773 extents found after installation3> fedoratest.img: 2148 extents found after installation4> fedoratest.img: 2245 extents found I have no data that conclusively indicates a slow down as a result of additional extents created. So I'm uncertain of the long term ramifications of using qcow2 on Btrfs but it does work. I also don't know where these extents are located on the physical device. The Raw file is the only file on this particular Btrfs volume. If it were the case multiple qcow2 file extents were "interleaved" or otherwise non-contiguous, it's possible multiple VM performance would overall be better on Btrfs than on other file systems. In any case, more testing is needed to demonstrate the pros and cons. This is also a question using LVM thinp as a backing for a VM for the same reasons. Chris Murphy

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F17 boot with lvm does not create all the device nodes
by Deron Meranda 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

I have an F17 server that will no longer boot. When entering emergency mode, it looks like not all of the device file nodes are being created. All of the physician volumes and volume groups are okay, but only some of the logical volumes have their device files created. In particular the volume containing my /var filesystem doesn't show up. When I enter 'lvs', all the logical volumes are listed, and they are active. These are all on one physical volume. If I enter 'vgscan --mknodes' then the missing device files do get created. I can subsequently get to all my data (first using cryptsetup to decrypt the LUKS volume that is stored inside the logical volume, and then mount). However I can not get the system to continue booting beyond the emergency mode, and upon the next reboot, again, some of the lvm device files are missing. Any ideas? Thanks -- Deron Meranda http://deron.meranda.us/

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/dev/md[12] vanished
by Kevin H. Hobbs 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

On October 4 this : --------------------- Mdadm Begin ------------------------ mdadm: cannot open /dev/md1: No such file or directory /dev/md1 : mdadm: cannot open /dev/md2: No such file or directory /dev/md2 : ---------------------- Mdadm End ------------------------- and this : --------------------- Disk Space Begin ------------------------ Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on devtmpfs 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /dev /dev/md127 48G 16G 31G 34% / /dev/md126 475M 118M 328M 27% /boot /dev/sdc1 917G 73G 798G 9% /mnt/WD1TB /dev/md0 173G 65G 101G 40% /home ---------------------- Disk Space End ------------------------- began appearing in the logwatch e-mails of at least two of my computers that run Fedora 18. Somehow md1 and md2 became md127 and md126. On October 3 and 4 there were lots of updates including a kernel and dracut. Does anybody have a clue what might have changed? Everything works from my perspective but I don't want my arrays to disappear on me if I haven't made some configuration change before some later update

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/var/lib/libvirt/images on BTRFS (it works!)
by Gene Czarcinski 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

Some of you may be interested in running your qemu-kvm (or other) disk image files on BTRFS. After some fumbling around, I have found out how to do it so it works and works very well (especially if it is on an SSD). Anyone investigating running on BTRFS immediately finds out that there is a fragmentation problem (just putting image files on btrfs can result in them having between 50,000 and 100,000 extents). Some may have seen that adding nodatacow to the mount option is a solution ... it is not. So what is the solution? 1. execute: chattr +C /var/lib/libvirt/images or wherever your image files are. This needs to be done on the directory whether you have a separate subvol or not. 2. This ONLY works for new files and ONLY works for "raw" storage format files. Pretty much by definition, qcow2 files are sparse format files and that is the primary problem on btrfs. So that the vm creation wizard will create a new disk using the raw storage format, you need to select: Edit->Preferences->VM Details->Default Storage Format->Raw After that, a created virtual will have the correct disk format. You can use "filefrag" to verify that things are working. Gene

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f19 emacs almost unuseable
by Jackson Byers 17 Nov '13

17 Nov '13

f19a13 df13mail]# (emacs:14906): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:67:18: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'. (emacs:14906): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:67:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'. (emacs:14906): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_device_get_source: assertion `GDK_IS_DEVICE (device)' failed recent f19 install, usad f19.netinst.iso most things look ok, network up, chromium browser working entering text in emacs extremely clumsy, cant see what i typed without clicking.......... etc. any advice? ]# uname -r3.11.1-200.fc19.i686.PAE Jack

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keyboard layout problem fedora19 gnome3 shell
by Natxo Asenjo 17 Nov '13

17 Nov '13

hi, I installed fedora 19 desktop edition and am having some trouble with the keyboard layout (in the standard gnome3 shell). What I need is this layout: $ setxkbmap -query rules: evdev model: pc104 layout: us variant: intl options: kpdl:kposs but what I get is: $ setxkbmap -query rules: evdev model: pc104 layout: us options: kpdl:kposs I have tried adding an autostart file in $HOMEDIR/.config/autostart like this: $ cat set_us_intl_keyboard.desktop [Desktop Entry] Type=Application Name=set us intl keyboard layout Comment=set us intl keyboard layout Exec=setxkbmap us -variant intl but every time I need to run the command manually because the settings are not applied. using the graphical tool 'Regional Settings' I choose as 'Input source' : English (US, alternative international), but still no go. What is the way to fix this? Why is it not appying the settings with the autostart command? This is quite annoying, I should not be having to bang my head against the wall for a simple keyboard layout ;-) TIA, -- Regards, Natxo -- Groeten, natxo

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VT consoles annoyance
by Natxo Asenjo 17 Nov '13

17 Nov '13

hi, another 'minor' annoyance in my fedora 19 laptop is the fact that VT consoles are, in fact, unusable. I constantly get info messages of NetworkManager. I have tried tweaking sysctl.conf like this: kernel.printk = 2 2 2 2 because of info I found here http://superuser.com/questions/351387/how-to-stop-kernel-messages-from-floo… But it does not resolve it. In /etc/rsyslog.conf I have no kern.* line enabled Any ideas? -- Groeten, natxo -- Groeten, natxo

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Software Install?....
by EGO-II.1 17 Nov '13

17 Nov '13

I know this is going to sound crazy to the die-hard people in here, but someone asked me.....and I was unable to provide an answer.....so here goes: How DO you "add/Remove software in Fedora now? it would seem that there's no way to do it unless you know the package name and do it from the terminal? TIA EGO II

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How to enter system after Nvdia driver installation?
by WangWentao 17 Nov '13

17 Nov '13

Hi, all, I got a HP env 5306tx laptop with dual GPUs, and I faild to install driver for it. I have tried official driver, rpmfusion, bumblebee, all failed. My dist is fc18-i386, with security boot disabled and legacy boot enabled. What is bothering me is that nvidia driver leave the screen blackout. When I reboot, I can dimly recognize a fedora logo in the center of screen, which is nearly blackout. So I cannot enter the system, and nothing changes after I add 3 at the end of grub command(and remove all these kernel options) or press ctrl-alt-fn. My questions is: * Why nvidia driver affects run level 3 and TTY? * How to enter system and remove installed drivers? Another non-related question is TTY is not working properly before I install nvidia driver. If I boot in runlevel3, and I enter TTY2 before login, the screen will flash between tty1 and tty2, or stick in tty2(cannot switch to other TTYs). I don't know it is a hardware problem or software problem. Any advice will be appreciated.

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dhcp at system boot on a bridged connection takes over a minute
by Sam Varshavchik 16 Nov '13

16 Nov '13

[root@monster ~]# systemd-analyze blame 1min 20.456s network.service … >From watching boot messages, it appears that DHCP takes over a minute. It doesn't fail, eventually it acquires the assigned IP address, and the server finishes booting normally. This started happening after I bridged eth0 in order to assign LAN IP addresses to VMs on the server. Interestingly enough, doing ifdown vnet0/ifup vnet0 after booting does not experience the same delay. ifup vnet0 acquires IP from DHCP in a few seconds.

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F19: getting number of cores, cachesize, etc.
by Ranjan Maitra 16 Nov '13

16 Nov '13

Hi, I am running the latest updated F19 and have the following code (see below) from a GPL'ed program (not written by me) which involves getting the number of cores and the cache size. The program compiles and runs fine (no valgrind errors) on i686 architecture but not on the newer x86_64. I have localized the problem to here, because if I explicitly give the numbers by hand, there is not an issue (there are no valgrind errors). Any suggestions as to what is going wrong and how to fix this? Many thanks for any help and best wishes, Ranjan Here is the code: #define SIZE_T int SIZE_T get_nb_cores() { SIZE_T n = 0; char line[BS]; FILE *fp; if ((fp = fopen("/proc/cpuinfo","r")) == NULL) return (1); while (fgets(line,BS,fp)) n += !strncmp(line,"processor",9); return(n); } SIZE_T get_cache_size() { SIZE_T n = 512; char line[BS],c; FILE *fp; if ((fp = fopen("/proc/cpuinfo","r")) == NULL) return (1); while (fgets(line,BS,fp)) if (!strncmp(line,"cache size",10)) sscanf(line+11,"%c % d",&c,&n); return(n*1024); } The valgrind errors go like this: ..................... ==17144== Warning: invalid file descriptor 1031 in syscall open() ..................... ==17144== at 0x4A06409: malloc (in /usr/lib64/valgrind/vgpreload_memcheck-amd64-linux.so) ==17144== by 0x3EBCC6C3CC: __fopen_internal (in /usr/lib64/libc-2.17.so) ==17144== by 0x4149A5: get_nb_cores (knnp.c:112) ..................... ==17144== at 0x4A06409: malloc (in /usr/lib64/valgrind/vgpreload_memcheck-amd64-linux.so) ==17144== by 0x3EBCC6C3CC: __fopen_internal (in /usr/lib64/libc-2.17.so) ==17144== by 0x414A20: get_cache_size (knnp.c:122) ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium

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how to clear YouTube ghost imagery from display without logging out
by Darlene Wallach 16 Nov '13

16 Nov '13

It seems to be happening a lot now. When I watch a YouTube video it leaves ghost image of the YouTube screen. Is there a way to clear my display without logging out? Does my question make sense? Thank you Darlene Wallach 408.294.5781 -- equal justice under law

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rsync question -
by Bob Goodwin 15 Nov '13

15 Nov '13

Is rsync not supposed to append to the existing files or just copy over them? I would like to update /home/bobg/.thunderbird but the following simply overwrites everything: [root@box10 bobg]# rsync -avz /mnt/HOME1/bob/TBdBx07/ /home/bobg/.thunderbird/ In this case I have rsynced .thunderbird from box7 to an nfs server file TBdBx07 and am in turn applying that to box10. I also want to do the same with F20-Beta in Vmware Workstion which is how I got off on this ... Do I misunderstand or am I simply doing it wrong? Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD Box 7 Fedora-19/64 XFCE Linux

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SELinux Coloring book?
by Daniel J Walsh 15 Nov '13

15 Nov '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 New article on opensource.com describing SELinux enforcement in simple terms. Check it out. http://opensource.com/business/13/11/selinux-policy-guide -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKDlmQACgkQrlYvE4MpobOjsACfZ4Vtbl8ypCUcN4ofVv/UeeVy /+0AoNGtmaM2Sz2ONX1fOtW/TpTcm2Ob =td+O -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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logitech t650 touchpad
by Mihamina Rakotomandimby 14 Nov '13

14 Nov '13

Hi all, Would this work OOTB on Fedora 19 or 20? http://www.materiel.net/souris-sans-fil/logitech-t650-wireless-rechargeable… Thank you. -- +261 34 81 738 69

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DNS problem -
by Bob Goodwin 14 Nov '13

14 Nov '13

Recently we have begun to have problems with our browsers stopping to work, ask it to go to a bookmark address and nothing happens, everything stops until an error message comes up that the address can not be found. Thunderbird continues to receive e-mail unless I restart Thunderbird, then it is unable to find gmail.com. The problem exists on two F-19 computers and several Apple computers on the LAN, in fact I often become aware of the problem when someone complains that the internet connection is down. I can always restore normal operation by re-starting the Viasat modem, a process that takes several minutes and is an annoyance. I have determined that I can enter a numeric address e.g. 199.106.52.212 for viasat.com and that works as expected. At the request of viasat tech support I tried taking the router out of the circuit and connecting directly to the modem, that effected no change. Curiously, at the time this this morning when the problem was manifest tech support's "computer was down" which left me wondering if there was a correlation with my apparent DNS problem. I was asked to call back in a few hours, I did that. The tech support person seemed to take offense at my claiming there was a DNS problem and went on to explain that I probably have a dhcp problem and we need to start by "re-setting my NIC." From there on the conversation began to deteriorate and she accused me of shouting at her, I was able to extricate myself gracefully after that and agree that I would call back when I had more time to devote to troubleshooting. Am I missing some point here? Is there some connection between dhcp and dns that I am not aware of. My dhcp server is in the router and deals with about thirty addresses on the LAN and works faultlessly as far as I can see. Any thoughts appreciated, Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 Fedora-19/64 bit Linux/XFCE

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No access to DHCP table on my router
by Antonio M 14 Nov '13

14 Nov '13

after some updates on my system I cannot see my DHCP table of my router through webpages:I guess that is connected to some modification in javascript management in latest Firefox.My router is a Lynksis Cisco X3000 with latest firmware -- Antonio M Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora F19(Schroedinger's cat) on Acer 5720 http://lugsaronno.altervista.org http://www.campingmonterosa.com

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Re: SELinux Coloring book?
by Daniel J Walsh 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/13/2013 12:35 PM, Dominick Grift wrote: > On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 11:13 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 17:10:43 +0000, Tony Scully >> <tonyjscully(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> That's excellent! >> >> The mls case might have been overly simplified. It didn't cover writing, >> where the dominance goes in the other direction. People might be >> incorrectly left with the impression the top secret can do everything >> that secret can do. -- > > I agree with you on the danger of oversimplification in generel with regard > to explaining SELinux > > This is also why i find it sub-optimal to leave the two other default > security models out of the equation (RBAC/IBAC) > > It is mentioned in the article that SELinux complements Linux security, by > briefly touching on IBAC one would clarify at least to some degree how > SELinux associates with Linux security > > RBAC by itself is worth mentioning in my view, if only to have touched on > each security attribute in a security context tuple. > > The idea of the illustrated article is nice, but the article is not > comprehensive. > > Granted, there are constraints. You cannot simply publish a three page > article on a medium like this i suspect > > > Maybe a followup that describes RBAC. Not sure how the analogy would work though. Suggestions welcome. Dog Role, See Eye Dog Role, Rescue Dog Role. RBAC is always hard to describe especially when you start defining SELinux Users. Login User -> SELinux User -> roles -> Types. The Russian dolls model is the best I have come up with. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKDwH0ACgkQrlYvE4MpobOmDACgnwBUbk7Vg1DwpkGTO8SenHLD dFwAoOmzqZ+sfFVRkHH4r+hbxS8x1sgK =ge9w -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: SELinux Coloring book?
by Bruno Wolff III 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 17:10:43 +0000, Tony Scully <tonyjscully(a)gmail.com> wrote: >That's excellent! The mls case might have been overly simplified. It didn't cover writing, where the dominance goes in the other direction. People might be incorrectly left with the impression the top secret can do everything that secret can do.

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gtk-recordmydesktop creates video completely out of sync with audio on F19
by Ranjan Maitra 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

Hello, I recently recorded a lecture video at: https://streaming.stat.iastate.edu/~stat580/video/R-video2.ogv but the video seems to have been recorded at a supersonic speed. The audio is fine but as a result, completely out of sync with the video. Would anyone know of a way to bring back the audio and the video into sync? I prefer using tools available on Fedora. I have no clue as to how this happened. I have been recording such videos on Fedora for a long time (3 years), albeit on a different machine from this one, and I have never had this problem. I really don't want to go over and have to redo this video again. Other than the unnecessary effort, the big issue is that I have no way of knowing if the same problem will not recur. Many thanks again for any help you can possibly give! Best wishes, Ranjan ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth

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Can't clear a duplicate
by Robert McBroom 13 Nov '13

13 Nov '13

Pulling entry from the database-- rpm -qa |sort|grep acpid acpid-2.0.19-5.fc19.x86_64 acpid-2.0.20-1.fc19.x86_64 Can't get the rpm to update. rpm --rebuilddb Yum output segment-- Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package acpid.x86_64 0:2.0.19-5.fc19 will be updated ---> Package acpid.x86_64 0:2.0.20-1.fc19 will be an update --> Finished Dependency Resolution Dependencies Resolved ==================================================================================================== Package Arch Version Repository Size ==================================================================================================== Updating: acpid x86_64 2.0.20-1.fc19 updates 68 k Transaction Summary ==================================================================================================== Upgrade 1 Package Updating : acpid-2.0.20-1.fc19.x86_64 1/2 /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.XAEOe4: line 1: fg: no job control error: %preun(acpid-2.0.19-5.fc19.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 Error in PREUN scriptlet in rpm package acpid-2.0.19-5.fc19.x86_64 Verifying : acpid-2.0.20-1.fc19.x86_64 1/2 Verifying : acpid-2.0.19-5.fc19.x86_64 2/2 Updated: acpid.x86_64 0:2.0.20-1.fc19 Failed: acpid.x86_64 0:2.0.19-5.fc19 Robert McBroom

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Installing Fedora On A Chromebook......
by EGO-II.1 12 Nov '13

12 Nov '13

Hello all....I have been searching online looking for info in regards to installing Fedora on a Chromebook, and while I've seen many tutorials, (at least for Ubuntu anyways!) I have a question: Is it possible to install Fedora on a Chromebook and completely REMOVE the ChromeOS? if so...how? everything I've seen so far says "dual-boot" but nothing seems to give you instructions as to how it can be completely removed from the system.. TIA EGO II

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Getting top to show usage in human readable format
by SternData 12 Nov '13

12 Nov '13

On CentOS, top shows per process memory using in kb or mb. On Fedora 19, top shows per process memory usage by the byte. Is there an option or setting to make Fedora's top (from procps-ng) work like CentOS' (from procps) Here's what I'm talking about: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n0d48ct2ga2eaj7/top.png -- -- Steve

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Scrabble??
by Beartooth 12 Nov '13

12 Nov '13

Does anyone know a way to run a Scrabble program on Fedora? (I realize the obvious existence of Wine and of virtual machines; but my experience with both has been thoroughly unsatisfactory; my hope is that a linux-native app may exist.) There seem to be two proprietary Scrabble programs, one in which you play against the computer, and one in which you play against a remote friend. (I don't play Scrabble.) -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.

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Meaning of boot messages?
by Robert McBroom 11 Nov '13

11 Nov '13

While starting my system I get the following messages. What is happening? Up to date Fedora 19 [ 11.835466] systemd[1]: Unit iscsid.service entered failed state. [ 14.019245] systemd-udevd[991]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory [ 14.020512] systemd-udevd[992]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory [ 14.021693] systemd-udevd[993]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory [ 14.022663] systemd-udevd[995]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory [ 14.023827] systemd-udevd[996]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory [ 14.024601] systemd-udevd[994]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory [ 14.024904] systemd-udevd[998]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory [ 14.025179] systemd-udevd[997]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory [ 14.028321] systemd-udevd[1000]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory [ 14.028338] systemd-udevd[999]: failed to execute '/usr/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory Robert McBroom

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Frozen screen
by Patrick Dupre 11 Nov '13

11 Nov '13

Hello, Every time that I have an USB key plugged inside my computer, if it switches to screensaver mode, I lost the access to the graphics session. gnome3 on fedora18 The only way that I found to recover is to open a text session and to kill the graphic session. Thank for your help. =========================================================================== Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdupre(a)gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===========================================================================

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Firefox absolute positioning stopped working
by Gary Stainburn 11 Nov '13

11 Nov '13

Hi folks, Sorry if this is O.T. but I only seem to be having the problem on my Fedora workstations. I use popup div's in my web pages - div's that are initally display:none but then on an event have their absolute size and position changed. This method worked fine until recently (not sure how recent, but it's been broken for a couple of weeks at least). It still works in I.E., Chrome and Firefox on Win7 PC's. However, on my Fedora workstations, the div is no longer appearing in the right place (top left corner appearing where mouse pointer is). It now appears on the very left corner of the window. The only thing I can think of is that my Fedora boxes are regularly updated while my Windows PC's only get software updates occassionally. This would point to the problem being a recent firefox update. Can anyone help as Google is only showing me old items. Gary HTML <body bgcolor="white" > <div id='hoverpopup' style='visibility:hidden; position: absolute; width:200px; border:1px solid #000000; background-color:#ffffff;' onMouseOver='Keeppopup(this);' onMouseOut='Hidepopup();'></div> ............. <table id=vista width=100% onMouseOver="vistaTableMouseOver(event);" onMouseOut="vistaTableMouseOut(event);" onclick="vistaTableClick(event);"> JAVASCRIPT (called from onMouseOver function vistaTableMouseOver(e) { if (!e) return; var t=e; if (!t.id) { // event mode if (e && ((t = e.target) || (t = e.srcElement))) { while (! t.id && t.parentNode && t.nodeName != 'TR') t=t.parentNode; } } if (!t.id) return; var windowLowerX=window.innerWidth; var windowLowerY=window.innerHeight; if (e.clientX) { // store target X/Y var vistaDivX=e.clientX; // location of mouse click var vistaDivY=e.clientY; } else { var vistaDivX=findX(t); // location of TD var vistaDivY=findY(t); } var vistaKey=t.id; var hp = document.getElementById("hoverpopup"); hp.style.width='200px'; hp.innerHTML='Please wait....'; var xOffset=vistaDivX+20; var yOffset=vistaDivY+10; var divLowerX=vistaDivX+200; var divLowerY=vistaDivY+hp.clientHeight; // ensure the div is visible, i.e. not off the right / bottom if (divLowerY > windowLowerY) { yOffset=window.innerHeight-(hp.clientHeight+10); } if (divLowerX > windowLowerX) { xOffset=window.innerWidth-(hp.clientWidth+10); } } -- Gary Stainburn Group I.T. Manager Ringways Garages http://www.ringways.co.uk

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Systemd Freezing on NetworkManager or Display Manager
by Mark Bidewell 10 Nov '13

10 Nov '13

I am using Fedora 19 on older hardware, and about half the time systemd freezes on boot. Typically the console messaging is pointing at Network Manager but occasionally kdm or gdm. I can switch to another console and log in and network is up and I can enter X. Any ideas how to debug this? Thanks -- Mark Bidewell http://www.linkedin.com/in/markbidewell

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Log viewer
by Javier Perez 10 Nov '13

10 Nov '13

Hi Could somebody recommend a program to view logs like Xorg.0.log, dmesg, boot.log, messages and others -- ------------------------------ /\_/\ |O O| pepebuho(a)gmail.com ~~~~ Javier Perez ~~~~ While the night runs ~~~~ toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch.

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What user and password to use in cloud images?
by Juan Orti Alcaine 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

Hello, I've deployed a Fedora20 Beta qcow2 image in a VM, but I'm unable to login. What is the default user and password? And what is the cloud-init program that starts at boot? it tries to contact some http url, but it fails. I cannot find any documentation about it. Thank you. -- Juan Orti GPG Key: DEEBD08B - https://www.miceliux.com/~juan/pubkey.asc Blog: https://apuntesderoot.wordpress.com/

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pulseaudio driving me crazy trying to script audio changes
by Tom Horsley 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

I got tired of having to manually set the audio output to spdif when I want to watch a movie with audio via my receiver then manually set it back to hdmi when I want to turn off the receiver and just use the TV, so I thought I'd finally get around to updating the script I used to use before I swapped motherboards and changed the audio hardware. I ran an "info" command through pacmd after using the gnome volume control to set the audio both different ways. The only difference I see when comparing them is the default audio sink. So I changed my script to use the set-default-sync command. But it doesn't act the same as the volume control app. I still get sound from the HDMI when I use pacmd. I don't get sound over HDMI when I use the gnome volume control. What the heck is different that the GUI app does? Why doesn't it show up in the vast spew of output the info command provides in pacmd?

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Re: F19 did not install boot loader
by Vinny Onelli 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 11:20 -0500, Vincent Onelli wrote: > > > 2. grub2-install /dev/hda > > I think it's been quite a while since Fedora used /dev/hd* for hard disk > names. You probably need /dev/sda instead. > > --Greg /dev/sda give me same error PS All those directory "/boot/efi/EFI/fedora" that can't create are already there and I can log into each one except fedora, when I try to log into fedora give me the same error "input/output error"

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Re: F19 did not install boot loader
by Vinny Onelli 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

> On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 11:20 -0500, Vincent Onelli wrote: > > > 2. grub2-install /dev/hda > > I think it's been quite a while since Fedora used /dev/hd* for hard disk > names. You probably need /dev/sda instead. > > --Greg /dev/sda give me same error

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NetworkManager nm-applet does not show ethernet connection profiles
by Miroslav Betak 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

. Hi I have installed Fedora 19 LXDE spin with current updates. As non root user I have defined two ethernet connection profiles via nm-applet: 1., ens32 - ipv4 dhcp 2., direct - ipv4 manual Test 1: -computer switch on -starting OS Fedora -login as non root user -left click on nm-applet and I see booth defined ethernet networks Test 2: - logout - login as the same non root user - left click on nm-applet and I see only "Auto ethernet" ( I miss booth my profile ) Test 3: - logout - login as the same non root user -left click on nm-applet and I see booth defined ethernet networks Test 4: - logout - login as the same non root user - left click on nm-applet and I see only "Auto ethernet" ( I miss booth my profile again ) and over and over wheen I run "nm-applet" as non root user from terminal in case of missing ethernet connection profiles I see: ** (nm-applet:21898): WARNING **: Could not create object for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Settings/1: No session found for uid 1000 (unknown) ** (nm-applet:21898): WARNING **: Could not create object for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Settings/0: No session found for uid 1000 (unknown) ** (nm-applet:21898): WARNING **: handle_property_changed: failed to update property 'available-connections' of object type NMDeviceEthernet. (nm-applet:21898): nm-applet-WARNING **: Failed to register as an agent: (32) Session not found (nm-applet:21898): nm-applet-WARNING **: Failed to register as an agent: (32) Session not found /var/log/messagess: Nov 9 10:55:34 LXDE-VM systemd-logind[406]: Removed session 9. Nov 9 10:55:38 LXDE-VM systemd[1]: lxdm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart. Nov 9 10:55:38 LXDE-VM systemd[1]: Stopping LXDM (Lightweight X11 Display Manager)... Nov 9 10:55:38 LXDE-VM systemd[1]: Starting LXDM (Lightweight X11 Display Manager)... Nov 9 10:55:38 LXDE-VM systemd[1]: Started LXDM (Lightweight X11 Display Manager). Nov 9 10:55:45 LXDE-VM systemd-logind[406]: New session 19 of user betak. Nov 9 10:55:45 LXDE-VM systemd-logind[406]: Linked /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 to /run/user/1000/X11-display. Nov 9 10:55:46 LXDE-VM ck-launch-session: error connecting to ConsoleKit Nov 9 10:55:46 LXDE-VM rtkit-daemon[418]: Successfully made thread 21464 of process 21464 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '1000' high priority at nice level -11. Nov 9 11:04:08 LXDE-VM NetworkManager[1369]: <warn> error requesting auth for org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.protected: (3) GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Could not get UID of name ':1.178': no such name Nov 9 11:04:08 LXDE-VM NetworkManager[1369]: <warn> error requesting auth for org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wifi.share.open: (3) GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Could not get UID of name ':1.178': no such name Nov 9 11:04:13 LXDE-VM ck-launch-session: error connecting to ConsoleKit Nov 9 11:04:13 LXDE-VM rtkit-daemon[418]: Successfully made thread 21826 of process 21826 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '1000' high priority at nice level -11. Nov 9 11:04:13 LXDE-VM pulseaudio[21826]: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. Could you help me to solve this ? Miro

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Issue......
by EGO-II.1 08 Nov '13

08 Nov '13

Hello, I'm back....I've been through the "wasteland" of distros...but I couldn't find anything that aided my workflow as well as Fedora. But I have a problem, I have just gone ahead and done a "fedup" upgrade to Fedora 20.....but some of my icons are not showing up....I downloaded the Gnome tweak tool from since F17....and had set the Windows border to be "Crux".....and the icons to be "Fedora"...but there are blank squares where there are supposed to be icons....can anyone offer some help on this issue? Thanks EGO II

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Fedora 19 does not see hard disks on a Dell XPS 8700
by Sebastiano Vigna 08 Nov '13

08 Nov '13

I hope someone as suggestions about this. The Dell XPS 8700 is a brand-new model using the i7-4770. The 8700 has a 2T HD and a 32GB SSD that is supposed to act as a cache. I've been trying to install Fedora, only to discover that no hard disks are visible to the installer. They can be found in dmesg, so Linux is detecting them, but they do not show in the installer window for hard disk selection. I tried both the live and the non-live installation media. Any suggestions? I'm desperate :(. Ciao, seba

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Creating a Locked user that has access to one dir
by ben＠acustat.org 08 Nov '13

08 Nov '13

I'm trying to create a user that can only rwx from one directory with chroot. they are uploading files using winscp. I want to completely lock them to /home/user/upload (no other dirs) anyone have a quick list of steps? been trying to edit sshd_config for just that user but keep running into permission issue for directory. what should they be? Thanks Ben

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Re: F19 did not install boot loader
by Vinny Onelli 08 Nov '13

08 Nov '13

> On 07.11.2013 18:44, Vincent Onelli wrote: > > Hello, > > I installed F19 on my HP envy dv7 notebook with windows 8, the pc has > > 1GB HD and 12 GB of memory, on reboot windows 8 came up but no sign of > > F19. Is there way to install the boot loader without me try to reinstall > > again? Should F19 work with win 8? > > Thank you. > > > > Boot from Live CD and see what happened. Here [1] you'll find > instructions about installing GRUB manually. > > [1] > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Installation_Guide/s1-gr… > > Thank you for the quick answer I used the rescue disk, then entered: 1. chroot /mnt/sysimage 2. grub2-install /dev/hda this line appeared "cannot create directory /boot/efi/EFI/fedora: input/output error

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missing files during yum cleanup phase
by Howard Howell 08 Nov '13

08 Nov '13

Hi everyone, I got a few messages during my latest yum update. They indicate that some files were not present, since it occurred during the cleanup phase I suspect it is not important, but thought I should check just in case... Here are the messages: Cleanup : gnome-documents-3.8.4-1.fc19.x86_64 94/94 chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-19-11:59:44-4569/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-08-30-18:20:54-2289/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-27-00:21:24-3873/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-27-00:14:49-1837/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-27-00:15:51-2883/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-03-01:10:57-1846/*’: No such file or directory Any comments or ideas? Regards, Les H

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Maybe OT....but?
by Roger 08 Nov '13

08 Nov '13

Apologies for my confusion in this request. The only link to Fedora 19 is that I use it exclusively for all my work. I have need to create a small dedicated web page newsletter with a number of plain text areas that may contain 50 - 1000 words. The contributor would copy and paste plain text layed out in sentences and paragraphs with appropriate markups like <i> or <b>. Quotations where included in the text passage would be delimited by <i>. The fields data will be auto formatted by Rails/html5/css3 when displayed as web page/s in blocks of information may be 2 or 3 columns and on A4 pages when printed. The field data will be in a postgresql database so have been looking at Postgres Documentation chapter 12 Full text search which answers part of the problem of searching through text but I do not understand how to generate an automatic search using words or brief sentences stored in pre established tables. Or how to get automatic scanning of a block of text as soon as it is pasted. I read 12.6 Dictionaries but cannot work out how to use this info. I read a little on SOLR but am uncertain how it could help. Web page display times are not critical, does not have to be instant. Has anyone seen or done something like this before and can point me in a direction. Thanks in anticipation Roger

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F19 did not install boot loader
by Vinny Onelli 08 Nov '13

08 Nov '13

Hello, I installed F19 on my HP envy dv7 notebook with windows 8, the pc has 1GB HD and 12 GB of memory, on reboot windows 8 came up but no sign of F19. Is there way to install the boot loader without me try to reinstall again? Should F19 work with win 8? Thank you.

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KDE without gnome-shell?
by Oliver Ruebenacker 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

Hello, Can you run KDE on Fedora 19 without gnome-shell? Thanks! Best, Oliver -- Oliver Ruebenacker IT Project Lead at PanGenX (http://www.pangenx.com) Be always grateful, but never satisfied.

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unaccessability
by Richard Vickery 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

Is / was a rather political decision to make BitchX unavailable through this app-market / Software GUI thing? Since having to yum install it, I am beginning to have a negative feeling toward the app market idea; the thought being: what else is being left out? Regards, Richard

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Service name conflict with system user name
by cheng chen 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

Hi all, i named a username "eirods", than it is already in passwd and group. And i try to install the eirods on this server with rpm -i, Then i get this information. Creating Service Group and Account: eirods at /var/lib/eirods ERROR :: Please delete the existing Service Group eirods before proceeding. is there any solution to fix this? Thanks -- MfG Cheng(誠) <http://freakrobot.blogbus.com>

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Linux Tablet Question?
by Michael D. Setzer II 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

I have a Pengpod 1000 that runs both Andriod and Linux from a 32G SD card. The Andriod system works great, but the Linux with a virtual keyboard was very difficult to use, later got an usb keyboard and was an improvement, but since I mainly use Fedora was not happy with the distro that was included. I was looking at getting they newer 1040 which was going to have a quad core system and some other enhancements, but there funding project didn't meet the goal, so money was returned. They had done testing with a number of Linux versions, but never heard of a Fedora version? Anyone know of a tablet that works well with Linux, and with a Fedora release? Have a number of notebooks that have no real issues with the Fedora 19, but is linux just not interested in tablets? Or are tablets not interested in Linux? Liked the ideal of a dual boot system with the Pengpod, but looks like that isn't going to be an option for further development. Thanks. +----------------------------------------------------------+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mikes@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetzerii@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ +----------------------------------------------------------+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) BOINC@HOME CREDITS ROSETTA 9071935.012318 | SETI 16622620.854311 ABC 16396821.665900 | EINSTEIN 14065458.599852

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memory stick not recognized
by Geoffrey Leach 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

I have a Sony 128MB memory stick. When inserted, Fedora 19 does not recognize it -- lsblk does not show it, dmesg reports nothing. It's writable by Windows 7, which reports the device as "JMCR MS SCSI Disk Device" Any thoughts on how to access the stick under Fedora? Thanks.

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NVidia driver installation under UEFI+CSM mode
by WangWentao 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

I got a HP dv4 5306tx laptop with the UEFI+CSM mode enabled, and succeeded in installation of fedora 18 i686. However, I failed to install nvidia driver. After I installed NVIDIA-Linux-x86-319.60.run(no error), the X cannot be started until I restore open source driver. I have no idea about the exact reason for this. Does UEFI+CSM prohibit loading of Nvidia driver? AFAIK, the CSM mode is compatible with untrusted soft, and my fedora is not installed in UEFI mode. Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Frozen
by Patrick Dupre 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Hello, Every time that I have an USB key plugged inside my computer, if it switches to screensaver mode, I lost the access to the graphics session. gnome3 on fedora18 The only way that I found to recover is to open a text session and to kill the graphic session. Thank for your help. =========================================================================== Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdupre(a)gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===========================================================================

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Many open windows make Firefox scroll **very** slowly
by Jonathan Ryshpan 05 Nov '13

05 Nov '13

As I open more windows or tabs in Firefox it becomes slower and slower, finally unusable. It can take as long as 20 seconds to scroll the screen, which tends to scroll in large jumps, even when smooth scroll is enabled. The problem is worse when smooth scrolling is enabled, but is bad enough even when it is not. Other applications seem to have scrolling slowed somewhat when Firefox has many windows open. The problem seems to be related to flash, since when I kill xulrunner/flash, graphics performance gets better, but still does not always become acceptable. Swapping between Firefox windows and tabs is normal. It looks to me like a memory swapping issue, but I have no evidence beyond my gut. Right now Firefox has 30 tabs open on all its windows. Performance is bad, though not intolerable. The system is: 4 processor x86_64 system Fedora-19 with all updates installed, Firefox-25.0, Nvidia GeForce 8400GS with the proprietary driver. Any ideas what's going on, or how to investigate?

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Fedora Magazine
by Timothy Murphy 05 Nov '13

05 Nov '13

The Fedora Newsletter used to contain short articles dealing with a single topic, say WiFi, with information and advice on that topic. I found this very useful. This ended several years ago, and the newsletter became a record of meetings held, decisions taken, etc. I did not find this interesting or useful. As far as I can see, the newsletter has now been replaced by the Fedora Magazine <http://fedoramagazine.org/>. I hoped when I saw this that this meant a return to the old newsletter model, with articles dealing with specific topics, from a user-support point of view. Unfortunately, I don't see anything like that in the magazine. Is there any plan to offer something along those lines in the future? I see there is an AskFedora section, but it appears to be empty, apart from an introductory article which seems to be by Rahul Sundaram, although that is not entirely clear. Amything by Rahul would be very welcome, since I've always found his comments extremely useful and to the point. But I haven't seen any for some time. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

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Strange lockup on Mini9 after suspend to RAM
by Morgan Gangwere 04 Nov '13

04 Nov '13

I'm running into a strange problem during resume on a Dell mini 9 (inspiron 910) when running F19. After coming from Debian and having a flawless suspend, this seems strange. I have removed the @gnome group and added @xfce Process: * Suspend to RAM * Resume from RAM * Xscreensaver hangs for about a minute, then pops out an authentication prompt. * System is slow and sluggish -- Networking is disabled and lots of things seem broken. * attempt to look at dmesg to see if something is wrong * dmesg spits out nothing related to suspend/resume * Check journald, which hangs and - Segfaults, - exits 0, - or responds that D-Bus is gone and it doesnt know what happened. * Attempt to restart - calling 'halt' immediately fails - calling 'shutdown -h 0' never does anything (took 1 hour to respond that D-Bus had gone away. - magic SysReq doesn't work (USB keyboard) - Sometimes if X is running, I get punted back to a broken login prompt in Lightdm * Kill power and hard restart. Attached is journald recording the failure. -- Morgan Gangwere <indrora(a)earfolds.com>

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yum-updateonboot critical-path
by Frank Murphy 04 Nov '13

04 Nov '13

On my Fedora boxes I still use yum-updateonboot. started with a custom .service file. Is there any method I can get it to reboot if a critpath rpm is updated, I have as yet found an easy method, without typing all installed @critpath into /etc/sysconfig/yum-updateonboot, -- Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com

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How to make Xorg listen to tcp (lightdm)
by Clemens Eisserer 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

Hi, I am running Fedora-19 + latest updates and would like to make Xorg listen to tcp connections for development. I already set "xserver-allow-tcp=true" in /etc/lightdm/lightdm and executed "xhost +", however I still get connection refused when starting x-clients with DSIPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 :/ Any idea where this secret switch is hidden these days? Thank you in advance, Clemens

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xcolorsel
by lee 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

Hi, what's the replacement or alternative for xcolorsel in Fedora? -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat)

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link error compiling GIMP plugin
by Frank McCormick 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

I am trying to compile the FocusBlue plugin for GIMP on Fedora 19. The make file spits out this error when linking: /usr/bin/ld: diffusion.o: undefined reference to symbol 'expf@@GLIBC_2.0' /usr/bin/ld: note: 'expf@@GLIBC_2.0' is defined in DSO /lib/libm.so.6 so try adding it to the linker command line /lib/libm.so.6: could not read symbols: Invalid operation Can anyone help? Thanks

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Rid Firefox of an extension??
by Beartooth 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

I'm running Firefox 24.0 on F18. It keeps telling me I have an update for AdblockPlus, but when I try to install it, it fails. I've tried doing it with AdblockPlus enabled, and with it disabled. There is no button on this extension, as there is on normal ones, to remove it. How do I just get rid of the whole extension? Is there an item or a line in my .mozilla, for instance, where I can just delete it? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.

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Package that will install in Fedora to view files on Android Phones.
by Mickey 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

Isn't there a Package on Fedora repo that you can install so as to view files on Android Phones by USB ??

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can't boot fedora mate spin
by Ionut Radu 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

Hi, I have downloaded fedora mate spin and created a liveusb image with livecreator-usb, however I can't boot it, please see the snapshot attached. My computer details are below. Any idea on how to solve it ? thanks, Ionut Radu. [ionut@localhost ~]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 23 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T6400 @ 2.00GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xa0b cpu MHz : 1200.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 13 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm dtherm bogomips : 3990.06 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 23 model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T6400 @ 2.00GHz stepping : 10 microcode : 0xa0b cpu MHz : 1200.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 1 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 1 initial apicid : 1 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 13 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm dtherm bogomips : 3990.06 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: 0:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub (rev 07) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Graphics Port (rev 07) 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03) 00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03) 00:1a.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6 (rev 03) 00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 03) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03) 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 6 (rev 03) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801IBM/IEM (ICH9M/ICH9M-E) 4 port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 03) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98M [GeForce 9300M GS] (rev a1) 02:00.0 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. SD/MMC Host Controller 02:00.2 SD Host controller: JMicron Technology Corp. Standard SD Host Controller 02:00.3 System peripheral: JMicron Technology Corp. MS Host Controller 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)

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OT: C programs and architectures (use on Fedora)
by Ranjan Maitra 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

Hi, I have obtained a set of open-source programs from http://petertoft.dk/PhD/Recon2D.tar.gz uncompressed, etc, and it all goes through fine. When I compile, the programs work fine on my old 32-bit machine (results make sense), however there is a segmentation fault on my 64-bit laptop. I compile using: gcc -c -I../include -O3 -finline-functions -Winline -Wall -falign-loops=2 -falign-jumps=2 -falign-functions=2 -Wstrict-prototypes ..... (Note that I had to fix the makefiles in there.) Btw, I don't know if this could have anything to do with it, but this set of programs were written in 1996 (when 64-bit probably did not even exist at all). Also, all the code uses single-precision (floats) rather than my preferred doubles. (Which makes me ask: is it possible to go into all the many files and convert all the floats into doubles using some command? ) Many thanks, Ranjan ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth

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FedUp makes F17 no longer boot after botched "upgrade" to F19
by Fernando Cassia 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

System: AMD Opteron 2216 server, 2GB RAM 250GB SATA-300 HDD ATI X1600 PCI-X video card Running Fedora 17 on an encrypted volume The system was decomissioned pending hardware repairs for quite a while (since July-2012). Once I finally gotba spare new hdd and monitor, it was brought back to life and fetched over 1,400 updates. After that it rebooted fine to an "as fresh as one can possibly get a F17 installation". So I thought it would be a nice opportunity to test that "FedUp" thing I keep reading about... and preserve my nice Gnome 3 tweaks of F17 in the latest greatest F19.... I told FedUp to use a repo upgrade, as the FedUp wiki recommended that approach over media install. I thought it'd be also a nice opportunity to test my 30Mbit FTTH link. Before I knew it it was fetching packages like there was no tomorrow and the list of packages was scrolling on the screen faster than one could read it. It went through several install phases until I was told everything was ready to proceed with the upgrade which would begin after the reboot. After the reboot a new entry appeared on the Grub boot menu labeled "FedUp upgrade" or something along those lines. After selecting it, the familiar "f"logk appeared alomg with a progress bar below it. The progress bar completed to 99% or therabouts and then it stalled. It could have been at 95% or 100% I do not recall (there also was no numerical reading next to the progress bar so it was hard to tell the percentage of completion. After I few minutes it just stood there... I thought Id give it a couple of HOURS so I could conclude if the process hanged or was just waiting too long. Two hours later I came back and saw the screen with the same output I saw before. So I grudgingly hit the reset button, thinking that maybe if the process was incomplete it would re-start after a reboot or Id be shown with some error mesage about the outcome of the upgrade process. I was wrong. In the current state, boot menu no longer shows the FedUp option, only showing: Fedora (3.9.10-100.fc17.i686) Fedora (3.9.10-100.fc17.i686.PAE) Fedora (3.4.6-2.fc17.i686) Fedora (3.4.6-2.fc17.i686.PAE) Fedora (3.4.4-3.fc17.i686.PAE) Fedora (3.4.4-3.fc17.i686) NO MATTER what I select, it hangs. Ive tried all kernels. It hangs right after the [f] logo has its glow, and just stays there. I would really appreciate any ideas of what might have gone wrong, and I hope my feedback is of use to FedUp devs. If you want logs etc, I can look them up and paste to pastebin... as long as I can get back a working bootable system in the first place. Thanks in advance... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell

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Where does virt-manager store user config files in Fedora 19?
by Digimer 02 Nov '13

02 Nov '13

Hi all, I've been searching in vain for the files used to store a user's virt-manager configuration. Specifically, where all the remote connection entries are stored. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks! -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education?

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Annoying KDEWallet
by Oliver Ruebenacker 02 Nov '13

02 Nov '13

Hello, I used to enter wireless passwords once in the wireless configuration and then it could connect to these networks repeatedly without asking me anything again. But then KDEWallet appeared out of nowhere, and every time I wanted to connect to a wireless network, the KDEWallet came up and asked me to enter a password. Now I have a new system and want to never be bothered by KDEWallet again, but the wireless configuration seems to forget all passwords unless I use KDEWallet again. How can I get back to the non-annoying behavior? I have KDE on Fedora 19. Thanks! Best, Oliver -- Oliver Ruebenacker IT Project Lead at PanGenX (http://www.pangenx.com) Be always grateful, but never satisfied.

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twm: icons size
by Hiisi 02 Nov '13

02 Nov '13

Dear list! I'm using twm on Fedora 19. Everything is perfect except that I don't like the size of icons on desktop. I.e. when application is minimized a tab appeared on the screen. And for most applications it look awful: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7089/77bf.png icons are too big :-( How do I change the size of icons? TIA -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: https://linuxcounter.net/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right.

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i NEED HELP WITH FIREFOX.
by Aaron Konstam 02 Nov '13

02 Nov '13

Something strange is happening to my firefox under F19. As soon as I open it all the text that is dis[alyed is followed by a reading of the text. This was not what used to happen Could someone tell me why this is happening and how to stop it from doing this

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hibernate/suspend immediately resumes
by Greg Woods 02 Nov '13

02 Nov '13

Judging from the results of Google searches about this, this is a problem that has been around for a while, but I have not found a solution that works for my case. Most of the hits were on postings in the Ubuntu forums, and regarding pretty old versions of Ubuntu at that (which means they don't account for systemd, grub2, etc. if any of that comes into play). So I thought I would ask here on the Fedora list. This is for a brand-new machine with an ASUS Z-87 motherboard, Intel i5 Haswell processor (4 core, 64-bit) and fully updated F19 (64-bit). The problem is that when doing a suspend or hibernate, the process completes, but almost immediately the system resumes again. In the case of hibernation, I have tried forcibly powering it off when the resume starts. In that case, when I power it on again, the hibernated image loads, but then the system hangs and never completes the resume. Just for completeness, the system also has a Windows 7 64-bit installed OS, and that one is able to suspend and hibernate just fine, which would seem to rule out hardware issues. The solutions I found for Linux were of two types: disabling ACPI wakeups (using "acpitool -W") and "unbinding" USB drivers (not sure what that even means). I've tried both approaches with no success. More details: I spent an entire evening last night fiddling with this with no success, so I really REALLY don't want anyone coming back and saying I haven't done my homework, or do some Google searches you idiot, etc. (unless you can point me to the exact Google search I need to do). I have done these things to the best of my ability already. # acpitool -w Device S-state Status Sysfs node --------------------------------------- 1. UAR1 S4 *disabled pnp:00:0a 2. RP01 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.0 3. PXSX S4 *disabled 4. RP03 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.2 5. PXSX S4 *enabled pci:0000:03:00.0 6. RP04 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.3 7. PXSX S4 *disabled pci:0000:04:00.0 8. RP08 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.7 9. PXSX S4 *disabled pci:0000:08:00.0 10. RP07 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.6 11. PXSX S4 *disabled pci:0000:06:00.0 12. GLAN S4 *disabled 13. EHC1 S4 *enabled pci:0000:00:1d.0 14. EHC2 S4 *enabled pci:0000:00:1a.0 15. XHC S4 *enabled pci:0000:00:14.0 16. HDEF S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1b.0 17. PEG0 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:01.0 18. PEGP S4 *disabled pci:0000:01:00.0 19. PEG1 S4 *disabled 20. PEG2 S4 *disabled So I tried disabling 5, 13, 14, and 15 ("acpitool -w 5" and so forth). 5 can't be disabled (at least, it still shows as "enabled" after running "acpitool -W 5), so I assume that's the power button. The others show up as "disabled" after doing this, but hibernate/suspend still resumes immediately even after doing this. "Unbinding" drivers is done with a shell script that looks like this: ============================================================================== function unbind_usb { for driver in ehci-pci firewire_ohci ohci-pci uhci_hcd xhci_hcd; do cd "/sys/bus/pci/drivers/${driver}"; ids=$(ls | grep :); echo $ids > /var/tmp/DISABLED_$driver; for id in $ids; do echo "Unbinding $id"; echo -n "$id" > unbind; disabled="$disabled $id"; done; done; } function bind_usb { for driver in ehci-pci firewire_ohci ohci-pci uhci_hcd xhci_hcd; do cd "/sys/bus/pci/drivers/${driver}"; for id in $(cat /var/tmp/DISABLED_$driver); do echo "Binding $id"; echo -n "$id" > bind; done; rm /var/tmp/DISABLED_$driver; done; } A script that calls unbind_usb on hibernate/suspend and calls bind_usb on thaw/resume is placed in /usr/lib64/pm-utils/sleep.d/S50usbbind . This does not work either. The most aggravating thing is that I have another machine built from the same hardware, and suspend/hibernate works fine on that one, without any of this being necessary. So it may well come down to determining exactly which drivers need to be unbound. The machine that doesn't work does have a couple of additional cards in it (that provide extra USB ports and some Firewire ports) which suggests the driver for one of those cards is causing the problem. The original script wanted to unbind everything that had *hci* in the name, but I found that if "ahci" was unbound, then I could no longer access anything on the disk, and I had to push the reset button to recover; maybe that is the hard disk driver. So I can't just try unbinding everything. Anything that can point me in the right direction here is greatly appreciated. --Greg

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Out of curiosity
by Roger 02 Nov '13

02 Nov '13

Why, when installing a new app do we need to also install the -libs and the -devel if the app is needed to make another app work. Why cannot -libs be part of the installation if they are that important to the operation. Why are -devel, which I'm guessing are development files for the app needed, does this mean the app is bar minimum and cannot be used when required by another app. Sorry if I seem confused, Just trying to get a handle on the situation. Thanks in advance Roger

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ssl/certificate issue for website
by bruce 01 Nov '13

01 Nov '13

hi. trying to do a simple curl for the college site curl -A "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009061118 Fedora/3.0.11-1.fc9 Firefox/3.0.11" -L https://isiscc.smc.edu/pls/apex/f?p=123:1:3916268190676791 -vvv * About to connect() to isiscc.smc.edu port 443 (#0) * Trying 207.151.69.31... connected * Connected to isiscc.smc.edu (207.151.69.31) port 443 (#0) * Initializing NSS with certpath: /etc/pki/nssdb * CAfile: /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt CApath: none * Peer's certificate issuer is not recognized: 'CN=VeriSign Class 3 International Server CA - G3,OU=Terms of use at https://www.verisign.com/rpa (c)10,OU=VeriSign Trust Network,O="VeriSign, Inc.",C=US' * NSS error -8179 * Closing connection #0 * Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with known CA certificates curl: (60) Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with known CA certificates More details here: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/sslcerts.html I've gotten this on a number of different os/systems. any thoughts?? ps. also tried using wget and still can't access it.. thanks

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