Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP
Hello,
Well I just heard a couple of guys saying "rpm hell".
Now a days, when rpm works very well, still does it lag behind apt in
some ways...?
Thanks.
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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On 11/23/2013 01:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> your postings thread and i am wondering you would post a new
> "Subject:" relating to how you are using a gmail account and
> still maintain threading.
No, not like that. Read the following two lines he wrote:
"Ok, enough drifting off topic from this side. ;)" and
"Just posted it in a separate thread to stop hijacking this one. :)"
If he might have wished to enlarge the same thread, he should have
done it by explaining each and every point he mentioned but he wrote
that!! Further it is Saturday today and tomorrow Sunday. May be some
one is having fun in the week ends and then may start a new thread on
Monday...
I cannot finalize such things in such a short time and cannot conclude
somebody's ways of thinking so easily.....It is not necessarily true
what we think is always right.
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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I think "g" was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood
> his comments. Please, let's be polite to each other and not
> insulting.
My intention was not to handle someone with gloves but I don't
understand why people consider it being a troll type mail. Well, I
find the reason. It happens that when you are new to Linux, you often
ask something which is pretty easy or might have been asked earlier.
So what? This query must have been so common that I came to know it
should not be asked but I had asked it actually. But again, does it
really a matter of great worth or we are wasting time in this type of
discussion? A general question from a newbie's mind is generally not
that advanced. End users won't always ask what scripts are need for
what purpose, they are more inclined towards the ease of use and
especially with Linux and thus the same type of questions get
generated in their mind. It is also possible, I get less time to have
hands on Linux, so really it seems a bit more confusing...!
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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
[crap]
> as in usage as a _noun_, which is defined at;
This is really shameful to have people like you..
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search engines [WAS: Why some say "rpm hell"]
by g
On 11/23/2013 03:09 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
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> That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly
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i used to use 'gaagle' until i found "ixquick", which does not do all
the tracking and such that gaagle does.
i set a bookmark button in firefox 'menu bar' to open in
_advanced_search_ mode for tighter searches.
https://ixquick.com/eng/advanced-search.html
i now get better search results and ixquick allows be to save a
bookmark of search that i can use at a later time, along with
modifying search parameters.
> That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of
> the software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome)
<>
one of many reason that i use firefox for browser.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Heinz Diehl <htd(a)fritha.org> wrote:
> Better/equal in precisely what?
Well, now got the idea that work is being done very well in rpm
distributions, so actually what I earlier asked, should not be asked.
Anyways, I liked the rpm because at least all of my (noob's) work is
smoothly done. Still I was curious only to know the people's view...
Better/equal in the sense of the time it takes. Also, sometimes, when
some (or more) unneeded packages reside in the system, even when they
are not used but they rest in the hard-disk. Okay well, they don't
take much capacity, so I let them sleep always. But this happens in
rpm based distros which I came to know.
>> ...or why did this bifurcation took place if the Linux is only the kernel...?
> Because there are different distributions which all think that their
> own package management system is most suited. There's more than one way to
> do it...
Oh I see. And this may be the same reason why even the typical
distributions like Gentoo got evolved!
> What kind of distribution somebody uses is a matter of taste, needs
> and other more or less subjective factors, and the package manager is
> a part of it.
Exactly true. Its more like the analogy of cars. Some people prefer
Ford, some Chevrolet, others like Mercedes-Benz better, but ultimately
they all have an engine that runs on fuel.
But I am happy with rpm now. I was a happy Fedora user and would
eventually try it back, though currently running openSUSE 12.3 with
the same happiness. I was even confused between the many distributions
but came to understand the underneath strategy to install one and use
it!
I regret that I don't get much time to learn such a wonderful
technology of Linux!!
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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly annoying
> me to select which profile I use, after pestering me for months to get a
> Unified login, I said I don't want, (repeatedly) so now I have separate
> profiles (identities, the one for Youtube with a nickname rather than my
> real name,and that's the way I like it).
> That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of the
> software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome), their
> needless "inventions" (spdy protocol to replace http), their forking of Java
> (Dalvik), and increasing Android dominant position in the mobile OS
> landscape (I'd rather see Jolla's Sailfish OS win).
Well this is true and sometimes I also feel the old compose option was
better in Gmail. Google always tend/desire to do some/many
alterations, even when the company knows that it could be disliked by
the vast audiences. But it has a democratic win. At least search
engine is excellent and there are more no. of android phones nowadays
than others.
Well, I stop this off-topic here itself.
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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I for one use GMail for my email needs, and I'm as far from an e-mail noob
> as you can get (started with Delphi on-line service in the late 1980s, then
> moved to FidoNet style echomail boards, then moved to CompuServe, then to
> pop-3 email, then to IMAP, and now I use web based GMail almost exclusively.
> GMail serves me (and I guess most other people) because:
> 1. It allows to access my account from anywhere (any machine on my LAN).
> 2. I don't have to deal with local email backups (yes, I'm putting a lot of
> faith in the cloud, albeit making a local backup is on my to-do list)
> 3. I don't have to delete e-mail (I'm a data hoarder, I have every e-mail
> received/sent from 2004 to this date, and it serves me well for research
> purposes, often more than not, the answer is already in my GMail account)
> 4. I pay Google for additional storage
And with one account, you have entire Google from Youtube to Plus
etc..etc...Google s the greatest search engine! This is fair enough to
use Gmail even when one or two downsides exist.
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Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com> wrote:
>> Exactly true. Its more like the analogy of cars. Some people prefer
>> Ford, some Chevrolet, others like Mercedes-Benz better, but ultimately
>> they all have an engine that runs on fuel.
> A better analogy that involves cars needs some additional detail: Different automakers put the driver's seat in different locations. Mercedes right front, Ford right rear, Chevy on the luggage rack, Jaguar in the trunk, etc.
Yeah, that's why different Linux -- Gentoo, Fedora, Slackware,
openSUSE, Ubuntu, etc...
> And I say that because package management is a viciously nasty user experience. Once you've committed to learning one of them, you definitely don't want to learn how to use another one - assuming, you know, you actually have work to do rather than just screwing around with computers all day long, learning mindnumbing estoteric b.s like package managers.
> And fuel in this analogy, is the linux kernel. The only thing they have in common is the kernel, which by all rights end users should be the least interested in or interact with.
> I would rather gut myself than learn another package management system, even if I had the time. I just want a little icon to click on and maybe a button that says Install, because I actually care to spend time using the application I've gone to the effort to locate, rather than figuring out how to install, remove, or update it.
> I wonder how many thousands of man hours are consumed maintaining the different packaging systems, and manually dealing with dependency conflict resolution. It must be insane.
I wonder even the life is short to learn so much types of things in
Linux! Great!!
10 years, 5 months
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
by AP
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Steven Rosenberg
<stevenhrosenberg(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Whenever you go "outside" the distribution and start picking up packages, be
> they .deb or .rpm, you invite trouble with dependencies, especially if those
> packages are not built for your particular release.
Okay you mean especially when 3rd party software are installed.
> Both Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu have very large repositories, and for Fedora,
> RPM Fusion is very reliable for those bits that don't come with the
> distribution itself, so I never experience "dependency hell."
Ok, Thanks.
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