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Re: SSD discharge battery on power off
by Vinny Onelli 10 Dec '13

10 Dec '13

> From: Todor Petkov <zakk(a)online.bg> > On 07/12/2013 07:35 PM, Vincent Onelli wrote: > > Hello. > > I have an HP laptop envy dv7, it came with 12 GB ram, windows 8 > > installed on 1TB conventional drive every thing works good. I decided > > to > > replace the conventional HD with a SSD 450GB and installed fc19 again > > every thing works good, except if I turn off the laptop and leave it > > off > > for a couple day the battery is discharged. I reinstalled the > > conventional HD no problem. I purchased a second SSD 250GB same > > problem. > > Any body had a similar experience? any idea how can be fixed? > > I contacted the manufacture, they never heard that problem. > > I appreciate any input > > Vinny. > > > Sounds like the laptop is not going in power-off mode, but in > hibernate. What system uptime does it say after being turn on in for > example 1 hour? The uptime result: 9:36:41 up 0 min, 2 users, load average: 0.56, 0.17, 0.06

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sharing /boot among multible Linux distros
by Javier Perez 10 Dec '13

10 Dec '13

Hi I need some advice here. I am running a triple-boot system (Windows 2K, Fedora 19, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS). It has three HDDs, one for each OS. (Windows, Fedora, Ubuntu). I am planning to upgrade this system for Christmas. Windows will go away and I will only run it virtualized. I have more than a year since I boot it last. I am planning to put a a small (100GB to 200 GB) SDD to host the OS of Ubuntu and Fedora and have a big HDD for the /home, /var partition and swap partitions. In theory, Ubuntu and Fedora will have their own partitions inside the SDD. My question is, can I share the /boot partition between Fedora and Ubuntu? both are using Grub2. Right now I have two /boot partitions (one on each HDD) and it is a pain. For some reason, Ubuntu does not find out Fedora unless I mount the disk each time I update ubuntu kernel. If I update Fedora kernel I have to go to Ubuntu to redo the boot config files. (Yes, the master boot goes to Ubuntu for some reason I do not remember any more). I want to keep just one /boot partition of maybe 800 MB to make everyone feel confy. Also, although it is off topic, is there any good tutorial to virtualize the Win2K partition as is? I'd really hate having to reinstall all my programs and stuff even if I am not using them much anymore. It will be kind of more trouble having to search for old drivers and stuff.I have the original CDs for all the programs, but many of the updates will be missing/disappeared. Also I will have to locate again FOSS software compatible with win2k -- ------------------------------ /\_/\ |O O| pepebuho(a)gmail.com ~~~~ Javier Perez ~~~~ While the night runs ~~~~ toward the day... m m Pepebuho watches from his high perch.

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how to boot on f16 in rescue mode?
by Adel ESSAFI 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

hello, I followed the official documentation to try to boot in "rescue" mode and then when booting from the live CD i pressed "tab" key, deleted all the command line and then put "linux rescue". However, fedora always boot "normally"!! I found no /mnt/ sysimage Thank you for any input. -- PhD candidate in Computer Science Address 3 avenue lamine, cité ezzahra, Sousse 4000 Tunisia tel: +216 97 246 706 (+33640302046 jusqu'au 15/6) fax: +216 71 391 166

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Speaking of UEFI
by Mark Haney 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This might be slightly off-topic, but here's the problem, I'm having a devil of a time getting my daughter's laptops to downgrade to Win7 with UEFI enabled. F19 installed beautifully, but Win7 has become a real PITA. So, let's assume what I want to do is switch from UEFI to BIOS booting to get Win7 installed. How possible would it be to repair the existing F19 install to boot via the same method? Would I have to just wipe it and re-install? - -- Mark Haney Network Administrator/IT Support Practichem W:919-714-8428 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSpdhXAAoJEDgEuzPE0JQvTtUIAIA1iAjMRe/GjnCfsnAx4ZNs z339ERAARu8LCQPzUCxEwhWIU82lwGM0Takzz/WioOTe1MvzKK0rEQeD9I5jsIOH v/QpF0JcLPLpxvQZhoGnEBIF6kUO45AO0r95/RLqrjYJdK2etdPj9taqnmWx0aCS H3gG1/cfzbUge2mQDnPKdH1naViYDQ4ZnqIsqhsJnEup2csBjxaynCbpju8nmJ/W DEUpdXvrVhhmyXIjrANIzbqqXgL0yuOSPAy/4Sy8JGjfyHkiBjnvktbDY3qy1PPR 9Oc7AJlZCSVSbKIKrYs2MOVna2zfiux1Aw1FB6/oniNSTVDCnFe0IoRvc4dVKeI= =KRyi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fedora 20 with UEFI/Secure Boot
by Dave Cross 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

Hi, I'll be buying a new desktop PC in the next week or so. It'll probably be a DELL XPS 8700. I expect it'll arrive at about the same time as Fedora 20. My usual approach would be to use PartitionMagic to shrink the Windows installation and install Fedora alongside it so I can dual-boot. But it's just occurred to me that this new machine will be running Windows 8 and therefore will come with all the UEFI/Secure Boot nonsense. So before I place the order I just wanted to confirm that I'll be able to do something like that in a UEFI environment. If anyone could point me to details about how I can do this, then that would be great. Cheers, Dave... -- Dave Cross :: dave(a)dave.org.uk http://dave.org.uk/ @davorg

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F19 Nautilus seems to have silly flaws
by D. Hugh Redelmeier 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

I rarely use Nautilus on F19. I'm trying it now. There are a few improvements that seem obvious. It calls itself "Files" (see "about files") but is nautilus (see ps(1) output). Make up your mind. I think "files" is a terrible name -- it is too generic. "Gnome Files" might be OK. But I like "Nautilus" (it makes me think that I'm Captain Nemo). SFTP capability is wonderful. But it is hidden. There should be some hints in "Browse Network" or "Connect to Server" that SFTP is supported. There should be some GUI way of constructing the terse URI-like-object for SFTP. This is the syntax for it (from some random web page): sftp://[user[:password]@]example.org[:port]/[path/to/directory/] Even that seems wrong: my experience suggests that the final unconditional / is sometimes but not always optional. One reason for using Nautilus is to avoid powerful but arcane notations like this. When I got an error "mounting" through SFTP the error was asynchronous. - the error report was generic (didn't pinpoint the problem) - the error disappeared after I clicked OK so I couldn't study it - could not see what I had typed. It was gone - I could not study what I had typed to figure out the error - I could not edit what I had typed. So I had to retype that intricate string There is "open" and "open in new tab" but no "open in new window". That seems dumb to me: I want two directories open so that I can see and operate on them both at one time. You can get the "open in new window" effect by "open in new tab" and then dragging the tab off the window, but that seems needlessly intricate and not obvious (except retrospectively). I almost never want a directory displayed as per "view items as a grid of icons". Is there a way that I can make my choice of view ("view items as a list") the default? I waste so much time and motion selecting this. Often when I eject a USB flash memory device, I get a pop-up window saying This location could not be displayed. ?? could not be found. Perhaps it has recently been deleted [OK] I haven't taken the time to characterize when this happens. But it seems quite sloppy. It leaves the user (me) a bit disturbed.

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systemd restart service on resume
by Greg Woods 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

I am trying to find a way to get a service to restart when the system is resumed from suspend or hibernation. I can get something to run when the system is put to sleep by using sleep.target (for example, I have an "ssh-suspend" service that kills all the ssh sessions because they are always hung after a resume and I have to close the windows manually anyway), but I haven't figured out the exact incantation to get a service to restart on resume. Saying "After=sleep.target" has not worked, and there doesn't seem to be anything like a resume.target or wakeup.target . Here's an example service file: [Unit] Description=Restart IPSEC tunnel on resume After=sleep.target NetworkManager-wait-online.service [Service] Type=oneshot ExecStart=/usr/bin/systemctl restart racoon RemainAfterExit=yes [Install] WantedBy=sleep.target (I have tried it both with and without the Install section). This service never runs: # systemctl status racoon-resume.service racoon-resume.service - Restart IPSEC tunnel on resume Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/racoon-resume.service; enabled) Active: active (exited) since Sat 2013-11-23 18:29:48 MST; 2 weeks 0 days ago Main PID: 2605 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/racoon-resume.service Nov 23 18:29:48 cobweb.gregandeva.net systemd[1]: Starting Restart IPSEC tunnel on resume... Nov 23 18:29:48 cobweb.gregandeva.net systemd[1]: Started Restart IPSEC tunnel on resume. That was from when I tested it manually. So how to I program it to restart a service upon resume? The real problem is that the racoon daemon (which negotiates IKE keys for an IPSEC tunnel) stops working after a suspend/resume, and needs to be restarted on resume in order for the tunnel to work again. I have this service file that starts and stops the tunnel at boot/shutdown time, and this works fine: [Unit] Description=IPSEC Tunnel Service After=syslog.target After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/local/etc/racoon.rc ExecStop=/usr/bin/pkill racoon ExecStopPost=/usr/sbin/setkey -FP PIDFile=/var/run/racoon.pid [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target Alias=racoon.service --Greg

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fedup 18->19 and GRUB upgrade several seconds
by Dave Mitchell 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

I'm currently preparing to fedup an F18 system to F19, looking at these instructions: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Installation_Guide/ch18s… The bit about updating the GRUB bootloader has got gotten me confused. My system is a newish x86_64 laptop, with F18 as the only thing on it, installed from scratch (no upgrades etc). The instructions say to look in /var/log/anaconda/anaconda.program.log where you'll find a command similar to efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sdX -p Y -l \EFI\redhat\grub.efi then later on, run efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sdX -p Y -l '\EFI\fedora\grubx64.efi' -b bootnumber Now, the command I see in the anaconda log is in fact: efibootmgr -c -w -L Fedora -d /dev/sda -p 1 -l \EFI\fedora\shim.efi This differs from the example in the docs by '-p 1' verses '-p Y' and 'shim.efi' verses 'grub.efi'. So, what values should I give for the -p and -l options? Also, its not entirely clear what 'bootnumber' value for the -b arg should be; should this the same number as used to delete the old boot entry in the previous step? -- You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive.

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Fedora's audience
by Beartooth 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty years ago. Was (now is) RH/F, and Linux generally, *for* all & sundry? Or was/is it essentially a plaything of the Alpha Plus Technoids? Which *should* it be? That distinction applied to shoes and ships and sealing wax, to cabbages and kings; i.e., all the way from designing new apps for GUI, for CLI only, or for some compromise -- to what sorts of posters and questions ought to be welcome or unwelcome on the public lists. I remember pointing out repeatedly that when the Baby Boomers began to retire, and cease to be bound to their employers' systems, some fraction of them would take up Linux -- and it wouldn't need a very big fraction of their numbers to make a substantial difference to Linux. To the best of my recollection, that issue never resolved into any consensus. RedHat changed its whole strategy, and suddenly many of us had far more urgent concerns than just the philosophic ones. By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.

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font manager
by Patrick Dupre 08 Dec '13

08 Dec '13

Hello, Trying to use font-manager, I get: font-manager:4338 : WARNING **: sqlite3_step failed! INFO : Finished loading 0 families and no font ca be displayed! The behavior of the font veiwer is also strange, I cannot view the symbol font. Onlt square boxes are displayed! Thank for your help. =========================================================================== Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdupre(a)gmx.com ===========================================================================

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