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OT - Probably the most important shortcut to disable - Firefox quit
by Robert Moskowitz 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

ARGH!!! I had 15 Firefox windows open, many with 6 - 10 tabs. And instead of hitting <ctl-w> to close a tab, I fat fingered <ctl-q> What a mess of lost work set up. All that stuff I was bouncing around on multiple subjects. So burned, I did a search and found: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/disable-ctrl-q-shortcut/ A dime late and a dollar short. But at least got it done.

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Re: (fedora) Re: after upgrade 20->21 gnome crashes when using rpmfusion's kmod-nvidia
by Jouk Jansen 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

linuxnutster at videotron.ca wrote on 12-DEC-2014 14:26:15.06 >On 12/12/2014 02:21 AM, Jouk Jansen wrote: >> Joe Zeff wrote at 11-DEC-2014 18:34:39.83 >> >>> On 12/11/2014 06:45 AM, Jouk Jansen wrote: >>>> Does anybody know or point me in the direction of a solution? >>> >>> Follow the instructions here: >>> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=204752 Don't worry about >>> the way it refers only to old versions of Fedora; it's been kept >>> up-to-date and works just as well now as it did then. As you'll see, >>> it's a tad more complicated than simply installing one package and >>> rebooting. >> >> Bassically this suggest avoid collisions with nouveau. However, even >> removing nouveau and doing the dracut as suggested on the webpage, still >> hangs when starting gdm >> > >Hello, I have the same problem, but I'm a novice at troubleshooting. >What is the precise location of the logfile I need? What I listed came from : /var/log/messages Regards Jouk Pax, vel iniusta, utilior est quam iustissimum bellum. (free after Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 b.Chr.-46 b.Chr.) Epistularum ad Atticum 7.1.4.3) Touch not the cat bot a glove >------------------------------------------------------------------------------< Jouk Jansen joukj(a)hrem.nano.tudelft.nl Technische Universiteit Delft tttttttttt uu uu ddddddd Kavli Institute of Nanoscience tttttttttt uu uu dd dd Nationaal centrum voor HREM tt uu uu dd dd Lorentzweg 1 tt uu uu dd dd 2628 CJ Delft tt uu uu dd dd Nederland tt uu uu dd dd tel. 31-15-2782272 tt uuuuuuu ddddddd >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<

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fedup - luks encrypted system
by Robin Laing 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

Hello, In the past, using fedup was a disaster due to encrypted systems. Is this working in F21? Don't use LVM's and partitions are encrypted using LUKS. This includes /tmp swap. /boot isn't encrypted. Have had issues installing in the past with encrypted partitions. Seen many bug reports about fedup and encrypted partitions. Will be going from F19 and F20 to F21. Robin

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Successful install of F1-Xfce on my Lenovo x120e
by Robert Moskowitz 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

I don't do fedups; I somehow start fresh each time. This time I have another unit to install to. So it went smoothly. Remember, you use the server netinst for workstations. Just select which workstation you want from the software list. Kind of like what we always had with server in selecting which type of server. They just added workstation as another set of options. Have a good weekend all.

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how to store hidden WIfi passwords/VPN passwords without gnome-keyring
by Ranjan Maitra 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

Hi, I only use gnome-keyring to store my hidden wifi passwords and vpn passwords (one each in number). How do I do this without gnome-keyring? I looked around and (as usual) Arch has some documentation but the fields mentioned there are not there in the fedora configuration files. Btw, I use the SLiM login manager and there is a /etc/pam.d/slim but I am not sure how to eliminate gnome-keyring in favor of this to store my passwords, etc. Many thanks and best wishes, Ranjan -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. Please respond to the mailing list if appropriate. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. ____________________________________________________________ Can't remember your password? Do you need a strong and secure password? Use Password manager! It stores your passwords & protects your account. Check it out at http://mysecurelogon.com/password-manager

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Re: Fedora 21 64bit ram usage
by William Biggs 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

What it is I look at Linux mint for a few untill 21 came out and the desk top with nothing running it only uses about 600mg of ram . And when I was using ver 20 with the older ver of gnome desktop installed it used about 650 mg of ram Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> To: "Community support for Fedora users" <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Fedora 21 64bit ram usage Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 7:44 AM On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 02:52:33PM -0500, kc8pdr(a)ohioham.com wrote: > I installed 21 yesterday and I seen that I was using 1.5 g of ram. I > didn't have anything running but the os it self I have a Dell I7 3.9 > g and 8 g of ram . Has anyone else ham this problem and no how to fix > it . When I opened my mail and open Firefox I go up to 3.6g of ram . > All the fans pick up to pull the heat off like they should Start here: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ It's _probably_ Linux working as designed. And you say you have 8gb of RAM, so using half of it for your running programs gives you a lot of breathing room. What is the problem you're looking to fix? If you want to investigate further, you might want to look at the ps_mem command (sudo dnf install ps_mem; sudo ps_mem). That will give you a better idea of where the memory is going (outside of kernel usage). -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader -- users mailing list users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

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Latest systemd news
by Sam Varshavchik 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

Making the rounds of various technical mailing lists yesterday, with a subject that's typically a variation of "Just for yucks, and giggles" is a link to a commit to systemd's git, adding DNS caching to systemd; in one, huge 857 line glop. Here's its entire commit message: "resolved: add DNS cache". And, it's beauty to read. Made me teary-eyed to know that systemd will cache my DNS queries. Not sure why systemd, all of a sudden, needs to make DNS queries. But if it does, it's going to cache them now! Such a sight to behold makes my heart skip a beat: now, not just bind, or pretty much every DNS server that automatically caches DNS for you – but so will systemd! But, seriously folks, systemd's DNS caching achieves absolutely 100% nothing. Really. Surprised? Well, you'll be shocked to know that the DNS server that systemd queries for that DNS RR, such as the stock "bind", already automatically caches all recursive DNS replies!! systemd's own caching produces absolutely zero useful results. On the oft chance that it sends a query for a non-cached RR, the local DNS server will cache the response, before returning it to systemd, and then use the cached response for all future queries. That's what DNS servers do: provide caching for local clients. It's inherent in DNS's design: DNS was explicitly designed to use aggressive caching, it's an internet-wide, distributed, locally cached database. Isn't modern technology amazing? I'm willing to consider the possibility that I missed something obvious, some obvious value-added result from caching DNS RRs directly by systemd, and I'll stick around for someone to enlighten me; or if Occam's razor applies, and the author of that commit had no idea that bind already automatically caches DNS responses, and, more importantly, that its caching algorithms are a result of painful lessons learned from various DNS cache poisoning attacks, that have circulated around the intertubes, for the last couple of years. The only possible use case for this kind of caching approach would be if: A) You do not have a local DNS server nearby; and you have non-negligible latencies to whatever DNS server you use. B) Your queries tend to be for domains that your DNS servers are not authoritative for, so they'll benefit from local caching. So, can someone explain to me how likely this is going to be the case in a typical deployment scenario that systemd is targeted for; in an average corporate environment where systemd's alleged benefits will supposedly shine? I would guess that a typical systemd deployment, in a corporate/business environment, will certainly have multiple, low-latency DNS servers nearby, won't that be the case? And, if so, then this is just another potentially exploitable security hole in systemd, nothing more. P.S. After I wrote the above, poking around, Google dumped this onto my screen: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/592 Mental note to myself: go back and check the timestamp of the systemd git commit – before, or after, this was disclosed…

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Re: (fedora) Re: after upgrade 20->21 gnome crashes when using rpmfusion's kmod-nvidia
by Jouk Jansen 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

Joe Zeff wrote at 11-DEC-2014 18:34:39.83 >On 12/11/2014 06:45 AM, Jouk Jansen wrote: >> Does anybody know or point me in the direction of a solution? > >Follow the instructions here: >http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=204752 Don't worry about >the way it refers only to old versions of Fedora; it's been kept >up-to-date and works just as well now as it did then. As you'll see, >it's a tad more complicated than simply installing one package and >rebooting. Bassically this suggest avoid collisions with nouveau. However, even removing nouveau and doing the dracut as suggested on the webpage, still hangs when starting gdm in /var/messages I get: ec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Server zapped. Shutting down. Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost org.a11y.atspi.Registry: XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Res$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost org.a11y.atspi.Registry: after 25 requests (25 known $ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1645): Gdk-WARN$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gnome-session: g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote $ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost org.a11y.Bus: g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote p$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost org.gtk.vfs.Daemon: A connection to the bus can't be $ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost org.gtk.vfs.Daemon: g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Re$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost org.a11y.Bus: g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote p$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost org.gtk.vfs.Daemon: A connection to the bus can't be $ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost org.gtk.vfs.Daemon: g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Re$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost ca.desrt.dconf: g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost colord: Profile removed: icc-8f59b7f30237ee1e450c79c2$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost colord: Profile removed: icc-07829e8e6b555b89ff0299ec$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost colord: Profile removed: icc-d1476097ecb706393afb9b73$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-session-worker: <3>GLib: Source ID 70 was not fou$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Clos$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Power Button: Close Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Power Button: Close Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost acpid: client 1432[0:0] has disconnected Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (EE) Server terminated successfully (0).$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm: Child process -1620 was already dead. Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: X.Org X Server 1.16.2 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Release Date: 2014-11-10 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm: Child process -1620 was already dead. Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: X.Org X Server 1.16.2 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Release Date: 2014-11-10 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Build Operating System: 3.17.2-200.fc20$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Current Operating System: Linux vleegert$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Build Date: 21 November 2014 01:15:20AM Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.16.2-1.fc21 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Current version of pixman: 0.32.6 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Before reporting problems, check http://$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: to make sure that you have the latest ve$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config f$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not imple$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (++) Log file: "/dev/null", Time: Fri De$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.c$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/x$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) Using system config directory "/usr$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) No Layout section. Using the first$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) No screen section available. Using $ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) Using system config directory "/usr$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) No Layout section. Using the first$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) No screen section available. Using $ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section"$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) | |-->Monitor "<default monitor>" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) No device specified for screen "Def$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Using the first device section listed. Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) | |-->Device "Videocard0" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) No monitor specified for screen "De$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Using a default monitor configuration. Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) Automatically adding devices Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) Automatically enabling devices Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) Automatically adding GPU devices Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) FontPath set to: Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d, Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: built-ins Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib64/nvidi$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) The server relies on udev to provid$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: If no devices become available, reconfig$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loader magic: 0x81de40 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module ABI versions: Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: If no devices become available, reconfig$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loader magic: 0x81de40 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module ABI versions: Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: X.Org Video Driver: 18.0 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: X.Org XInput driver : 21.0 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: X.Org Server Extension : 8.0 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (EE) systemd-logind: failed to get sessi$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:040f:10de:049a $ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (WW) "glamoregl" will not be loaded unle$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) "glx" will be loaded by default. Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) LoadModule: "glx" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading /usr/lib64/nvidia-304xx/xor$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporat$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Module class: X.Org Server Extension Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 304.123 Wed Jul$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/dri$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corpo$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/dri$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corpo$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Module class: X.Org Video Driver Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 304.123 $ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Suppo$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (++) using VT number 1 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading sub module "fb" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) LoadModule: "fb" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/lib$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: compiled for 1.16.2, module version = 1.$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, versi$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading sub module "wfb" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) LoadModule: "wfb" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/lib$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module wfb: vendor="X.Org Foundatio$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: compiled for 1.16.2, module version = 1.$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, versi$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, versi$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): Creating default Display$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: "Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (==) framebuff$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueCo$ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction ($ Dec 12 09:11:40 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 2D acceleration Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Display (DELL 1908FP$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Vision stereo. Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Display (HP 2310t (D$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): stereo. Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU Quadro FX 170$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 60.84.6f.00.1$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Lin$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes a$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): Valid display device(s) $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Lin$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes a$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): Valid display device(s) $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): CRT-0 Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): CRT-1 Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): TV-0 Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): DELL 1908FP (DFP-0) $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): HP 2310t (DFP-1) (co$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): CRT-0: 400.0 MHz maximum$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): CRT-1: 400.0 MHz maximum$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): TV-0: 400.0 MHz maximum $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): TV encoder: Unknown Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): DELL 1908FP (DFP-0): 330$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): DELL 1908FP (DFP-0): Int$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): HP 2310t (DFP-1): 330.0 $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): HP 2310t (DFP-1): Intern$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): Using HorizSync/VertRefr$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): device DELL 1908FP ($ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): been enabled on all $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): Using HorizSync/VertRefr$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): device HP 2310t (DFP$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): been enabled on all $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): Using HorizSync/VertRefr$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): device HP 2310t (DFP$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) NVIDIA(0): enabled on all displ$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested;$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): will be used as the $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): "DFP-0:nvidia-auto-s$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size dete$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (85, 86); com$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) NVIDIA(0): option Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (WW) NVIDIA(0): UBB is incompatible with$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (WW) NVIDIA(0): UBB. Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA: Using 768.00 MB of virtual $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost acpid: client connected from 1894[0:0] Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost acpid: 1 client rule loaded Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "DFP-0:nvid$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): Disabling shared memory $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost acpid: 1 client rule loaded Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "DFP-0:nvid$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): Disabling shared memory $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store enabled Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (==) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading sub module "dri2" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) LoadModule: "dri2" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module "dri2" already built-in Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): [DRI2] Setup complete Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) NVIDIA(0): [DRI2] VDPAU driver: n$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) RandR disabled Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) SELinux: Disabled by boolean Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Initializing extension GLX Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device Po$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) LoadModule: "evdev" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/inp$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundat$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: compiled for 1.16.0, module version = 2.$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/inp$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundat$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: compiled for 1.16.0, module version = 2.$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: Module class: X.Org XInput Driver Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Pow$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Power Button: always reports core e$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Produ$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/dev$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input devic$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105+inet" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_options" "terminate:ctr$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device Po$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Pow$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Pow$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Power Button: always reports core e$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Produ$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/dev$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input devic$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105+inet" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_options" "terminate:ctr$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device HD$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) No input driver specified, ignoring$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) This device may have been added wit$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device HD$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) No input driver specified, ignoring$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) This device may have been added wit$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device HD$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) No input driver specified, ignoring$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) This device may have been added wit$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device HD$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) No input driver specified, ignoring$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) This device may have been added wit$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device HD$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) No input driver specified, ignoring$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) This device may have been added wit$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device De$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Premium USB Optical Mouse: App$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Del$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Premium USB Optical Mouse: alw$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/dev$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input devic$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Dell Premium USB Optical Mou$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Premium USB Optical Mouse: (ac$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Premium USB Optical Mouse: (ac$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Premium USB Optical Mouse: (ac$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Premium USB Optical Mouse: (ac$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device De$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) No input driver specified, ignoring$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) This device may have been added wit$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) config/udev: Adding input device De$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Applying In$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Applying In$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Del$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Dell USB Keyboard: always repo$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Devi$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Vend$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Dell USB Keyboard: always repo$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Devi$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Vend$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Foun$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Conf$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/dev$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input devic$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105+inet" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_options" "terminate:ctr$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost systemd-logind: New session c2 of user gdm. Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost org.a11y.Bus: Activating service name='org.a11y.atspi$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost org.a11y.Bus: Successfully activated service 'org.a11$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost org.a11y.atspi.Registry: SpiRegistry daemon is runnin$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost org.a11y.atspi.Registry: Xlib: extension "XEVIE" mis$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gnome-session: Entering running state Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost pcscd: 99999999 winscard.c:263:SCardConnect() Reader $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost pcscd: 00013218 winscard.c:263:SCardConnect() Reader $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost pcscd: 00016959 winscard.c:263:SCardConnect() Reader $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost dbus[876]: [system] Activating via systemd: service n$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Dell Dell USB Keyboard: always repo$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Devi$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Vend$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (--) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Foun$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) evdev: Dell Dell USB Keyboard: Conf$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/dev$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input devic$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105+inet" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us" Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0: (**) Option "xkb_options" "terminate:ctr$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost systemd-logind: New session c2 of user gdm. Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost org.a11y.Bus: Activating service name='org.a11y.atspi$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost org.a11y.Bus: Successfully activated service 'org.a11$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost org.a11y.atspi.Registry: SpiRegistry daemon is runnin$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost org.a11y.atspi.Registry: Xlib: extension "XEVIE" mis$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gnome-session: Entering running state Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost pcscd: 99999999 winscard.c:263:SCardConnect() Reader $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost pcscd: 00013218 winscard.c:263:SCardConnect() Reader $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost pcscd: 00016959 winscard.c:263:SCardConnect() Reader $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost dbus[876]: [system] Activating via systemd: service n$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost pcscd: 00013218 winscard.c:263:SCardConnect() Reader $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost pcscd: 00016959 winscard.c:263:SCardConnect() Reader $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost dbus[876]: [system] Activating via systemd: service n$ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost pcscd: 00071771 winscard.c:263:SCardConnect() Reader $ Dec 12 09:11:41 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:42 localhost colord: Profile added: icc-8f59b7f30237ee1e450c79c28c$ Dec 12 09:11:42 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): GLib-GOb$ Dec 12 09:11:42 localhost colord: Profile added: icc-07829e8e6b555b89ff0299ec42$ Dec 12 09:11:42 localhost dbus[876]: [system] Successfully activated service 'o$ Dec 12 09:11:42 localhost colord: Profile added: icc-d1476097ecb706393afb9b7364$ Dec 12 09:11:42 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:42 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:43 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:43 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:44 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:44 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:45 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:45 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:46 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:46 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:46 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Dec 12 09:11:46 localhost gnome-session: (gnome-settings-daemon:1932): smartcar$ Regards Jouk Pax, vel iniusta, utilior est quam iustissimum bellum. (free after Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 b.Chr.-46 b.Chr.) Epistularum ad Atticum 7.1.4.3) Touch not the cat bot a glove >------------------------------------------------------------------------------< Jouk Jansen joukj(a)hrem.nano.tudelft.nl Technische Universiteit Delft tttttttttt uu uu ddddddd Kavli Institute of Nanoscience tttttttttt uu uu dd dd Nationaal centrum voor HREM tt uu uu dd dd Lorentzweg 1 tt uu uu dd dd 2628 CJ Delft tt uu uu dd dd Nederland tt uu uu dd dd tel. 31-15-2782272 tt uuuuuuu ddddddd >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<

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Fedup 20 to 21 - Gnome fails to start
by linuxnutster＠videotron.ca 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

I used fedup to move from F20 to F21 on two PCs. Both have Asus EN210 Nvidia graphics cards. In both cases, starting gnome would result in an error which reads " a problem has occured and the system can't recover." I reinstalled the akmod nvidia driver on the PC with an EN210 1GB card, and, voila, the problem was solved; however, this did not work for the PC with the EN210 512MB card. I tried a few methods of reinstalling the driver, including negativo17 method ( http://negativo17.org/nvidia-driver/ ) with no success. I am not a linux expert, and would appreciate a few suggestions. I also tried suggestions here: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/56816/gnome-fails-to-start-after-… http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=204752 I also tried the suggestion in the second link regarding enabling "updates testing" ( newer kernel, etc.. ) with no success

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fedora 21 and xen
by Mike Wright 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

Hi all, 2 part question. Just installed f21. I like the way the distro has a common base and "flavors" that build on that. Nice approach. yum also seems to be *much* faster. 1) Does anybody know where the standalone xen packages are? 2) Is there a virtualization group or is that what the "cloud" flavor is? Thanks, Mike Wright

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